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[MBoutchatski]

IMO I loved DLO during his freshman year. I thought he could make the NBA. Although he has improved ,I am Dissapointed w his improvement. I'm glad he's on our team and he is a monster rebounder for a guard,plays w a lot of heart and is tough. He also is good at getting to the FT line and makes them. But, I don't think he's NBA material.

I actually think he's regressed slightly from his freshman year considering most college players should improve, and he hasn't.

I disagree that he's good at getting to the FT line. He relies on the refs whistle way too much, which often doesn't come, and which causes bad shot after bad shot...especially lately. I would guess most of his free throw attempts have come in the final minutes/seconds of games when we have the lead and teams are intentionally fouling.

 

[SJU61982]

BIG EAST

• POY: Doug McDermott, Creighton -- A season for the ages.

• COY: Jay Wright, Villanova -- The Wildcats were unranked in the preseason, but they pulled off a conference regular season title.

• FOY: Rysheed Jordan, St. John's -- It took him a while to adjust to running his team, but he eventually became the Red Storm's third-leading scorer while leading them in assists with 3.0 per game.



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[SJUalum98]

Harrison is a very good rebounding guard, no question

He's also a very good shooting guard. It's not easy to carry the scoring load for an entire team.

Absurd statement. "Very good shooting guards" don't miss two out of every three shots in conference, as Harrison does (35%). If he elevated his game to bring home win after win in the clutch, I might agree with you, but he doesn't. Below average shooter for a guard, and the very best he can hope for without improving those numbers is NBA D-League, and that's at the very best. There are a ton of guards who shoot the ball better.

Sounds like you're just piling on now...

 

[beast of the east]

Harrison is a very good rebounding guard, no question

He's also a very good shooting guard. It's not easy to carry the scoring load for an entire team.

Absurd statement. "Very good shooting guards" don't miss two out of every three shots in conference, as Harrison does (35%). If he elevated his game to bring home win after win in the clutch, I might agree with you, but he doesn't. Below average shooter for a guard, and the very best he can hope for without improving those numbers is NBA D-League, and that's at the very best. There are a ton of guards who shoot the ball better.

Sounds like you're just piling on now...

No, it's what I always maintained, even in preseason. My preseason call was that if Harrison could elevate his numbers, we could be a serious tourney team - if not it could be a long season. I root very hard for him, and like how he has apparently left his issues from last season in the past. But all in all, poor shooting form your number 1 option lands you where we are today.

 

[beast of the east]

Harrison is a very good rebounding guard, no question

Oscar Robertson was a very good rebounding guard, averaging almost 8 rebounds for his NBA career. At 5.7 defensive boards in conference, which leads the team, I'd say he's been a good rebounding guard, whose rebounding looks better because we don't have a single solid rebounding big. What I do think it does is negate those he says he stands around on defense. If he is crashing as a guard, he is working hard.

 

[room112]

Harrison is a very good rebounding guard, no question

He's also a very good shooting guard. It's not easy to carry the scoring load for an entire team.

Absurd statement. "Very good shooting guards" don't miss two out of every three shots in conference, as Harrison does (35%). If he elevated his game to bring home win after win in the clutch, I might agree with you, but he doesn't. Below average shooter for a guard, and the very best he can hope for without improving those numbers is NBA D-League, and that's at the very best. There are a ton of guards who shoot the ball better.

Sounds like you're just piling on now...

No, it's what I always maintained, even in preseason. My preseason call was that if Harrison could elevate his numbers, we could be a serious tourney team - if not it could be a long season. I root very hard for him, and like how he has apparently left his issues from last season in the past. But all in all, poor shooting form your number 1 option lands you where we are today.

You can't just look at Harrison's numbers and not put them in context. This team does NOT run plays for him! A lot of times he's forced to throw something up because in the scheme of our game plan, we count on one on one basketball as the shot clock is winding down. When you take into account we usually have 1 or 2 offensive black holes on the court at all times, the defense is able to turn up the pressure on Harrison, our top scorer.

Bottom line, do you think McDermott would be as successful if he was forced to play in our offense? Heck no!

 

[austour]

Harrison is a very good rebounding guard, no question

Oscar Robertson was a very good rebounding guard, averaging almost 8 rebounds for his NBA career. At 5.7 defensive boards in conference, which leads the team, I'd say he's been a good rebounding guard, whose rebounding looks better because we don't have a single solid rebounding big. What I do think it does is negate those he says he stands around on defense. If he is crashing as a guard, he is working hard.

So we've established DLo isn't Oscar Robertson. Cool, I wasn't quite sure on that. DLo is just the 3rd best rebounding guard in BE Play. I guess that's not very good. FWIW Oscar was one of the best, if not the best, players ever and one of the best, if not the best, rebounding guards of all time. Using him as a benchmark for "very good" is pretty stupid. He was excellent in all facets of the game.

On improvement I wanted to add something as well. Most folks look at increased stats over years and credit player improvement when quite often it's purely a case of increase minutes. DLo never had that chance. So the only place he could really improve was in efficiency. I'll admit that he hasn't, but he's still been one of the most productive players in recent STJ history and this year he's at career highs in FT shooting, rebounds A/TO ration, and Blocks. Not a great season and I agree with many points about him forcing shots and especially about expecting calls but he's going to be 2nd team all BE at worst as voted by guys whose opinions we should respect more than our own.

 

[beast of the east]

Harrison is a very good rebounding guard, no question

He's also a very good shooting guard. It's not easy to carry the scoring load for an entire team.

Absurd statement. "Very good shooting guards" don't miss two out of every three shots in conference, as Harrison does (35%). If he elevated his game to bring home win after win in the clutch, I might agree with you, but he doesn't. Below average shooter for a guard, and the very best he can hope for without improving those numbers is NBA D-League, and that's at the very best. There are a ton of guards who shoot the ball better.

Sounds like you're just piling on now...

No, it's what I always maintained, even in preseason. My preseason call was that if Harrison could elevate his numbers, we could be a serious tourney team - if not it could be a long season. I root very hard for him, and like how he has apparently left his issues from last season in the past. But all in all, poor shooting form your number 1 option lands you where we are today.

You can't just look at Harrison's numbers and not put them in context. This team does NOT run plays for him! A lot of times he's forced to throw something up because in the scheme of our game plan, we count on one on one basketball as the shot clock is winding down. When you take into account we usually have 1 or 2 offensive black holes on the court at all times, the defense is able to turn up the pressure on Harrison, our top scorer.

Bottom line, do you think McDermott would be as successful if he was forced to play in our offense? Heck no!

Can't agree with your assertion. You could say the same about Sampson, Sanchez, Jordan, and Pointer, and their numbers are all significantly higher. For the entire BE season he's had a premier point guard playing 29 minutes a game (Jordan) who is capable of delivering the ball to any player on the court, yet Harrison's numbers are worse.

McDermott is a very good player and would still be scoring in our system, even without his father running everything through him.

I don't understand all the excuses for Harrison's poor shooting.

 

[SJUalum98]

Harrison is a very good rebounding guard, no question

He's also a very good shooting guard. It's not easy to carry the scoring load for an entire team.

Absurd statement. "Very good shooting guards" don't miss two out of every three shots in conference, as Harrison does (35%). If he elevated his game to bring home win after win in the clutch, I might agree with you, but he doesn't. Below average shooter for a guard, and the very best he can hope for without improving those numbers is NBA D-League, and that's at the very best. There are a ton of guards who shoot the ball better.

Sounds like you're just piling on now...

No, it's what I always maintained, even in preseason. My preseason call was that if Harrison could elevate his numbers, we could be a serious tourney team - if not it could be a long season. I root very hard for him, and like how he has apparently left his issues from last season in the past. But all in all, poor shooting form your number 1 option lands you where we are today.

You can't just look at Harrison's numbers and not put them in context. This team does NOT run plays for him! A lot of times he's forced to throw something up because in the scheme of our game plan, we count on one on one basketball as the shot clock is winding down. When you take into account we usually have 1 or 2 offensive black holes on the court at all times, the defense is able to turn up the pressure on Harrison, our top scorer.

Bottom line, do you think McDermott would be as successful if he was forced to play in our offense? Heck no!

Can't agree with your assertion. You could say the same about Sampson, Sanchez, Jordan, and Pointer, and their numbers are all significantly higher. For the entire BE season he's had a premier point guard playing 29 minutes a game (Jordan) who is capable of delivering the ball to any player on the court, yet Harrison's numbers are worse.

McDermott is a very good player and would still be scoring in our system, even without his father running everything through him.

I don't understand all the excuses for Harrison's poor shooting.

It's not an excuse.

D'Angelo would shoot a considerably higher % in a Princeton offense.

He's not in one and quite frankly, who cares?

We need him to step up in big games but you're beating a dead horse here.

 

[beast of the east]

Harrison is a very good rebounding guard, no question

He's also a very good shooting guard. It's not easy to carry the scoring load for an entire team.

Absurd statement. "Very good shooting guards" don't miss two out of every three shots in conference, as Harrison does (35%). If he elevated his game to bring home win after win in the clutch, I might agree with you, but he doesn't. Below average shooter for a guard, and the very best he can hope for without improving those numbers is NBA D-League, and that's at the very best. There are a ton of guards who shoot the ball better.

Sounds like you're just piling on now...

No, it's what I always maintained, even in preseason. My preseason call was that if Harrison could elevate his numbers, we could be a serious tourney team - if not it could be a long season. I root very hard for him, and like how he has apparently left his issues from last season in the past. But all in all, poor shooting form your number 1 option lands you where we are today.

You can't just look at Harrison's numbers and not put them in context. This team does NOT run plays for him! A lot of times he's forced to throw something up because in the scheme of our game plan, we count on one on one basketball as the shot clock is winding down. When you take into account we usually have 1 or 2 offensive black holes on the court at all times, the defense is able to turn up the pressure on Harrison, our top scorer.

Bottom line, do you think McDermott would be as successful if he was forced to play in our offense? Heck no!

Can't agree with your assertion. You could say the same about Sampson, Sanchez, Jordan, and Pointer, and their numbers are all significantly higher. For the entire BE season he's had a premier point guard playing 29 minutes a game (Jordan) who is capable of delivering the ball to any player on the court, yet Harrison's numbers are worse.

McDermott is a very good player and would still be scoring in our system, even without his father running everything through him.

I don't understand all the excuses for Harrison's poor shooting.

It's not an excuse.

D'Angelo would shoot a considerably higher % in a Princeton offense.

He's not in one and quite frankly, who cares?

We need him to step up in big games but you're beating a dead horse here.

not beating a dead horse. just let it go. we have a difference of opinion, and the guys who defend his poor play can believe what they want, but we will never win big at St Johns as long as he's the primary focus and shoots 35%

 

[Moose]

Harrison is a very good rebounding guard, no question

He's also a very good shooting guard. It's not easy to carry the scoring load for an entire team.

Absurd statement. "Very good shooting guards" don't miss two out of every three shots in conference, as Harrison does (35%). If he elevated his game to bring home win after win in the clutch, I might agree with you, but he doesn't. Below average shooter for a guard, and the very best he can hope for without improving those numbers is NBA D-League, and that's at the very best. There are a ton of guards who shoot the ball better.

Sounds like you're just piling on now...

No, it's what I always maintained, even in preseason. My preseason call was that if Harrison could elevate his numbers, we could be a serious tourney team - if not it could be a long season. I root very hard for him, and like how he has apparently left his issues from last season in the past. But all in all, poor shooting form your number 1 option lands you where we are today.

You can't just look at Harrison's numbers and not put them in context. This team does NOT run plays for him! A lot of times he's forced to throw something up because in the scheme of our game plan, we count on one on one basketball as the shot clock is winding down. When you take into account we usually have 1 or 2 offensive black holes on the court at all times, the defense is able to turn up the pressure on Harrison, our top scorer.

Bottom line, do you think McDermott would be as successful if he was forced to play in our offense? Heck no!

Can't agree with your assertion. You could say the same about Sampson, Sanchez, Jordan, and Pointer, and their numbers are all significantly higher. For the entire BE season he's had a premier point guard playing 29 minutes a game (Jordan) who is capable of delivering the ball to any player on the court, yet Harrison's numbers are worse.

McDermott is a very good player and would still be scoring in our system, even without his father running everything through him.

I don't understand all the excuses for Harrison's poor shooting.

It's not an excuse.

D'Angelo would shoot a considerably higher % in a Princeton offense.

He's not in one and quite frankly, who cares?

We need him to step up in big games but you're beating a dead horse here.

not beating a dead horse. just let it go. we have a difference of opinion, and the guys who defend his poor play can believe what they want, but we will never win big at St Johns as long as he's the primary focus and shoots 35%

And who's fault is that? Because the majority of the board (not saying you specifically) points the finger at him.

 

[simplyred]

Number 3 in the BE in scoring.
Will be #3 all time in SJU scoring by the time he finishes here.

I can live with that.

 

[Moose]

Number 3 in the BE in scoring.
Will be #3 all time in SJU scoring by the time he finishes here.

I can live with that.

But he's not an underdog. This fan base drools over underdogs.