BE Awards

[paultzman]

Why am i not surprised you overlook his horrid fg percentage?

DSR has Starks. Both are averaging 17 ppg.
Harrison has Karr with 5 less ppg.
When Harrison is off (Xavier, @Nova, 2nd half DePaul) there is no Starks to step up which leads to more shots, lower FG% and a fan base complaining about our leading scorer shooting 50% from the field in a game we barely beat DePaul.

Harrison has done his fair share of forcing shots, and its not due to lack of complimentary pieces. Hes in a bad habit of looking to draw a foul almost everytime he drives.

1-12 vs xavier followed by 50% vs. depaul is a microcosm of his season. Has disappeared more often than not in the big spot/game

You call trying to draw a foul a bad habit? I call trying to get an 85% FT shooter to the line a pretty good idea. And if he gets bumped and turns it over its pretty much the same as wasting 30 seconds on the clock and forcing a shot which he and plenty of others on the team do. One shows up in the box score as a turnover, the other shows up as just a bad missed shot.

It IS due to complementary pieces. Why is it so hard to see that? Whether its Lavin realizing he doesnt have another option or the team deferring to him its crystal clear that he is the only legit threat and on days he is off there is no Starks to pick him up. It's not Karr. It's not Jordan. It's not Sanchez. Its' not Phil. It's not Dom. It's not Chris.

Agree. There is no dependable second option.

 

[GardenCity62]

One of this year's biggest disappointments is Sampson's lack of improvement. Not being able to gain any weight/strength takes away any inside game and his outside shooting is not good enough to consider him an elite player.

 

[redstorm80]

Cooley has done a good job considering the injuries and the early season incident, but that team is still loaded. Henton is a beast, Batts is a 2nd round NBA pick, Cotton is the best back court scorer in the conference, and Harris and Derozier give them excellent size and depth up front. They also have shooters all over the court.

What Lavin did in 2010-2011 was more impressive, becuase Hardy didn't have 1/10th the resume or experience Cotton brought in this year to run the point out of position. Lavin's team also didn't have the size or shooting of this Providence team.

Wright and McDermott have done amazing jobs. I picked them to finish 1-2, but that was just speculation. I didn't think theye'd both be in the top ten late, although I did think top 25. Wright couldn't have done better.

If we win @ Marquette, Lavin needs to be considered as well. 0-5 with three games remaining against Nova/Creighton to 10-8 would be an incredible turnaround the likes of which this league has never seen. That is impressive working in a stud frosh pg, two sophs, and a first year JUCO...while dealing with off the court issues and transfer rumors.

Cooley has done masterful job, despite losing three players, two of whom would have been in rotation. He has also integrated the transfer from Wake very well and developed Forte nicely. Respect your opinion Marillac, but to to compare Lavin's accomplishments, even getting to 10-8 is a stretch in my opinion. Couldn't one say Lavin indecisiveness about establishing a rotation for too long cost us? Not a Cooley apostle, but can't think of too many things he did wrong in the face of adversity right from start of season. I believe PC overachieved and we underachieved to date. Making a run in BE T, after a road win at M'Q would certainly alter that. Go Johnnies!

I don't know...this is a really experienced Providence team with four seniors (one 5th year senior), a fourth-year junior, two other true juniors that played big minutes since 2010-2011, and a third-year soph. They also LEAD THE COUNTRY in FT % at an absurd 78% clip. They leave nothing at the line and that makes any coach look much better. Butler and all its OT games and close losses shoots 10% worse from the line that Providence. That could easily have been 5-6 wins. Providence has the biggest, deepest, and most experienced front court in the conference and a returning 1st team all conference guard in the back court.

I just see Providence right where they should be if not a game or so behind. They were 19-5, 9-9 in the old Big East last year and returned nearly the entire roster while adding a 7-foot shot-blocker and a 6'8 future NBA SF. When Batts decided to pass on the draft, there really was no reason Providence should have won fewer than 11 games in conference. You can definitely do worse than replacing a soph PG who didn't put up big stats with a 1st team all conference guard--which allows another shooter to be put on the floor.

Austin was really just a cherry on top of the Sundae. Nobody shed a tear when Lavin failed to get Sampson-Garrett-Pelle eligible and lost Nuri after a month. Dunn is a tough loss, but the reality is he has never performed up to his lofty expectations. He averaged only 5.7 points and 3.2 assists ins 27 mpg last year and was only averaging 3.8 and 5.0 with 3.5 turnovers and no threes (less than 25% for his career) in 26.5 mpg through four games this year. Cotton is actually dishing out more assists than Dunn this year or last (5.9). It also allows Providence to put a better shooter, 6'5 soph Josh Fortune, on the floor. Fortune is shooting over 35% with 4.5 attempts per game.

I think some of your points are valid, they dont have many bodys but the ones they do have are very good. 2 of those seniors you mentioned dont really play though. And I respect your opinion but Tyler Harris a future NBA player??? I think you are way off on that one

 

[room112]

One of this year's biggest disappointments is Sampson's lack of improvement. Not being able to gain any weight/strength takes away any inside game and his outside shooting is not good enough to consider him an elite player.

I think it's unfair to say he hasn't improved. I can see the progress being made (especially over our winning stretch). I just don't think it's been the jump to the next level that many were expecting.

 

[Marillac]

He will probably get first team bc its been a weak year in terms of individual performance, but the only reason harrison is third in the league in scoring is bc he takes a lot of shots.


Hes had an average season...

You are an idiot. Harrison is the only thing standing between us and a ten win season.

 

[MBoutchatski]

Why am i not surprised you overlook his horrid fg percentage?

DSR has Starks. Both are averaging 17 ppg.
Harrison has Karr with 5 less ppg.
When Harrison is off (Xavier, @Nova, 2nd half DePaul) there is no Starks to step up which leads to more shots, lower FG% and a fan base complaining about our leading scorer shooting 50% from the field in a game we barely beat DePaul.

Harrison has done his fair share of forcing shots, and its not due to lack of complimentary pieces. Hes in a bad habit of looking to draw a foul almost everytime he drives.

1-12 vs xavier followed by 50% vs. depaul is a microcosm of his season. Has disappeared more often than not in the big spot/game

You call trying to draw a foul a bad habit? I call trying to get an 85% FT shooter to the line a pretty good idea. And if he gets bumped and turns it over its pretty much the same as wasting 30 seconds on the clock and forcing a shot which he and plenty of others on the team do. One shows up in the box score as a turnover, the other shows up as just a bad missed shot.

It IS due to complementary pieces. Why is it so hard to see that? Whether its Lavin realizing he doesnt have another option or the team deferring to him its crystal clear that he is the only legit threat and on days he is off there is no Starks to pick him up. It's not Karr. It's not Jordan. It's not Sanchez. Its' not Phil. It's not Dom. It's not Chris.

Yes, he's in a bad habit of relying on the ref blowing the whistle, when the refs haven't been giving him the whistle. We all complain about it in the game threads...its obvious.

I agree that Sampson's regression, or lack of progression has hurt this team/harrison. Same can be said for other players....Dom, sanchez...and jordan not playing to his potential/dealing with off-court issues. But to excuse harrison's piss-poor shooting is as biased as it gets.

He's our best player, but when you're a borderline ncaa team, that is not saying a whole lot.

 

[MBoutchatski]

He will probably get first team bc its been a weak year in terms of individual performance, but the only reason harrison is third in the league in scoring is bc he takes a lot of shots.


Hes had an average season...

You are an idiot. Harrison is the only thing standing between us and a ten win season.

i've forgotten more basketball than you will ever know you clown. go watch game film of the xavier game and get back to me on harrison's 1st-team all-big east performance.

 

[usguard]

He will probably get first team bc its been a weak year in terms of individual performance, but the only reason harrison is third in the league in scoring is bc he takes a lot of shots.


Hes had an average season...

You are an idiot. Harrison is the only thing standing between us and a ten win season.

Look. I as not involved with the posts between you and Mike but see nothing positive or constructive when you start off calling someone an idiot

 

[Marillac]

He will probably get first team bc its been a weak year in terms of individual performance, but the only reason harrison is third in the league in scoring is bc he takes a lot of shots.


Hes had an average season...

You are an idiot. Harrison is the only thing standing between us and a ten win season.

Look. I as not involved with the posts between you and Mike but see nothing positive or constructive when you start off calling someone an idiot

Did you have to log off and then log on under this name or do you have two computers?

 

[Moose]

He will probably get first team bc its been a weak year in terms of individual performance, but the only reason harrison is third in the league in scoring is bc he takes a lot of shots.


Hes had an average season...

You are an idiot. Harrison is the only thing standing between us and a ten win season.

Look. I as not involved with the posts between you and Mike but see nothing positive or constructive when you start off calling someone an idiot

Did you have to log off and then log on under this name or do you have two computers?

My god everyone here needs to go to the Police Academy if they want to become a detective. USguard does not have multiple names. Move on.

 

[Jack Williams]

He will probably get first team bc its been a weak year in terms of individual performance, but the only reason harrison is third in the league in scoring is bc he takes a lot of shots.


Hes had an average season...

You are an idiot. Harrison is the only thing standing between us and a ten win season.

i've forgotten more basketball than you will ever know you clown. go watch game film of the xavier game and get back to me on harrison's 1st-team all-big east performance.

So players aren't allowed to have a bad game? Let's take the players you did put in your all big east team.

Christon - shot 3-14 in one game this year, and 3-11 in another

Smith Rivera - shot 1-8 in a game against Xavier! So maybe Xavier had something to do with shutting down Dlo? Because if they can shut down Mike's first team all big east guard, maybe they can shut down Harrison? DSR shot 2-11 against nova earlier this year, and also shot 3-11 in a game against DePaul.

McDermott - of course it's hard to compare the likely wooden award winner, but yes dougie McBuckets had a season low 14 and shot 5-15 in a win over gtown earlier this year...

Pinkston - not always so good either, had 5 points against us when we played in Philly, and that's with obekpa playing at 50%, 0 minutes for gift, and no Sanchez. He should've dominated that game, but maybe he had an off day? Also came up small in a big game at Syracuse, scoring 3 points for the game.

Cotton - had 9 points against Xavier, and shot 4-11. See a trend? DSR, DLo, and Cotton all had bad shooting games against Xavier, but let's continue to put ALL of the blame on Dlo for the Xavier game. Because that's logical. Cotton has also shot 2-12 in a game this year, and 6-20 in another.



So all these players have had bad games this year, and yet you cite an Xavier game, against a defense that has been shutting down top guards all year, as the reason D'Angelo Harrison does not belong on the first team all big east?

Not every player has an "1st team all big east team" performance every night, as I showed above. So it's not make or break for Harrison that he had one bad game. I understand you cite the Xavier game because it was a huge game, but after 0-5 start, what game hasn't been huge? What about our lone signature win against Creighton? How'd that happen? A Harrison three to give us the lead late, and then he proceeds to hit multiple free throws to seal the top 25 victory.

The Georgetown game was gigantic too, and when gtown made a huge push to comeback, who hit a huge three to push the lead back to double digits? Harrison.

Your argument is bias because, under all the numbers and facts, the truth is you probably just don't like him. That's become evident through your posts, and is why your posts weren't found on this website during the winning streak, but returned after the Xavier game. Theres a legitimate argument for Harrison making the first team big east, but there's not getting through to someone who probably doesn't like Harrison at all.

GET LOST.

 

[usguard]

He will probably get first team bc its been a weak year in terms of individual performance, but the only reason harrison is third in the league in scoring is bc he takes a lot of shots.


Hes had an average season...

You are an idiot. Harrison is the only thing standing between us and a ten win season.

Look. I as not involved with the posts between you and Mike but see nothing positive or constructive when you start off calling someone an idiot

Did you have to log off and then log on under this name or do you have two computers?

My god everyone here needs to go to the Police Academy if they want to become a detective. USguard does not have multiple names. Move on.

Thank Moose

 

[MJDinkins]

My god everyone here needs to go to the Police Academy if they want to become a detective.

That would be mjmaher and I (Starsky & Hutch).

 

[MBoutchatski]

He will probably get first team bc its been a weak year in terms of individual performance, but the only reason harrison is third in the league in scoring is bc he takes a lot of shots.


Hes had an average season...

You are an idiot. Harrison is the only thing standing between us and a ten win season.

i've forgotten more basketball than you will ever know you clown. go watch game film of the xavier game and get back to me on harrison's 1st-team all-big east performance.

So players aren't allowed to have a bad game? Let's take the players you did put in your all big east team.

Christon - shot 3-14 in one game this year, and 3-11 in another

Smith Rivera - shot 1-8 in a game against Xavier! So maybe Xavier had something to do with shutting down Dlo? Because if they can shut down Mike's first team all big east guard, maybe they can shut down Harrison? DSR shot 2-11 against nova earlier this year, and also shot 3-11 in a game against DePaul.

McDermott - of course it's hard to compare the likely wooden award winner, but yes dougie McBuckets had a season low 14 and shot 5-15 in a win over gtown earlier this year...

Pinkston - not always so good either, had 5 points against us when we played in Philly, and that's with obekpa playing at 50%, 0 minutes for gift, and no Sanchez. He should've dominated that game, but maybe he had an off day? Also came up small in a big game at Syracuse, scoring 3 points for the game.

Cotton - had 9 points against Xavier, and shot 4-11. See a trend? DSR, DLo, and Cotton all had bad shooting games against Xavier, but let's continue to put ALL of the blame on Dlo for the Xavier game. Because that's logical. Cotton has also shot 2-12 in a game this year, and 6-20 in another.



So all these players have had bad games this year, and yet you cite an Xavier game, against a defense that has been shutting down top guards all year, as the reason D'Angelo Harrison does not belong on the first team all big east?

.

no, i pointed to his 37% fg percentage as to why he doesn't deserve first team big east....some of you are acting like it's a crime to question his fg%

 

[MBoutchatski]

He will probably get first team bc its been a weak year in terms of individual performance, but the only reason harrison is third in the league in scoring is bc he takes a lot of shots.


Hes had an average season...

You are an idiot. Harrison is the only thing standing between us and a ten win season.

i've forgotten more basketball than you will ever know you clown. go watch game film of the xavier game and get back to me on harrison's 1st-team all-big east performance.

Your argument is bias because, under all the numbers and facts, the truth is you probably just don't like him. That's become evident through your posts, and is why your posts weren't found on this website during the winning streak, but returned after the Xavier game. Theres a legitimate argument for Harrison making the first team big east, but there's not getting through to someone who probably doesn't like Harrison at all.

GET LOST.

how exactly is my argument biased? You make zero sense, as usual and resort to 5th grade "you probably don't like him" nonsense. DO BETTER.


Harrison is the heart and soul of our team. but he's had an inconsistent season that hasn't lived up to his potential. His 37% field goal percentage is terrible. He's had some nice games, no doubt. But underneath all the excuses being thrown around is a kid that has played out of control way too much this season.

Of course there is an argument for him being first-team...he's third in the league in scoring. But I question if some of you are just blind homers if you think there's no argument against him being first-team.

 

[austour]

He will probably get first team bc its been a weak year in terms of individual performance, but the only reason harrison is third in the league in scoring is bc he takes a lot of shots.


Hes had an average season...

You are an idiot. Harrison is the only thing standing between us and a ten win season.

i've forgotten more basketball than you will ever know you clown. go watch game film of the xavier game and get back to me on harrison's 1st-team all-big east performance.

Your argument is bias because, under all the numbers and facts, the truth is you probably just don't like him. That's become evident through your posts, and is why your posts weren't found on this website during the winning streak, but returned after the Xavier game. Theres a legitimate argument for Harrison making the first team big east, but there's not getting through to someone who probably doesn't like Harrison at all.

GET LOST.

how exactly is my argument biased? You make zero sense, as usual and resort to 5th grade "you probably don't like him" nonsense. DO BETTER.


Harrison is the heart and soul of our team. but he's had an inconsistent season that hasn't lived up to his potential. His 37% field goal percentage is terrible. He's had some nice games, no doubt. But underneath all the excuses being thrown around is a kid that has played out of control way too much this season.

Of course there is an argument for him being first-team...he's third in the league in scoring. But I question if some of you are just blind homers if you think there's no argument against him being first-team.

Can I just say that Mike is right, he's had an average, if not below average, season shooting the ball. However his rebounding, assists, and defense have been way above average.

 

[MBoutchatski]

Harrison is a very good rebounding guard, no question

 

[Marillac]

Harrison is a very good rebounding guard, no question

He's also a very good shooting guard. It's not easy to carry the scoring load for an entire team.

 

[beast of the east]

Harrison is a very good rebounding guard, no question

He's also a very good shooting guard. It's not easy to carry the scoring load for an entire team.

Absurd statement. "Very good shooting guards" don't miss two out of every three shots in conference, as Harrison does (35%). If he elevated his game to bring home win after win in the clutch, I might agree with you, but he doesn't. Below average shooter for a guard, and the very best he can hope for without improving those numbers is NBA D-League, and that's at the very best. There are a ton of guards who shoot the ball better.

 

[ras]

IMO I loved DLO during his freshman year. I thought he could make the NBA. Although he has improved ,I am Dissapointed w his improvement. I'm glad he's on our team and he is a monster rebounder for a guard,plays w a lot of heart and is tough. He also is good at getting to the FT line and makes them. But, I don't think he's NBA material.