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lawmanfan said:
Last I interacted with them the Nova crowd were still in the mode of "Neptune is our guy he came from the Jay Wright tree so he must be awesome.". Getting high on your own supply is a bad way to go, but that's where they seem to be.

To me the question is (to borrow a SJU slogan) "is Neptune the guy?". I don't see how you look at the last 2 years and say "yeah, sign me up for more of that" if you're trying to return to Wright level.
When Dixon leaves what is he going to do?

So if I were Nova, understanding that there's plenty of money and that it's an attractive job I would see about finding an upgrade.

But I doubt they do that. They will have to be humbled a bit more before they realize that just because a guy came from their tree doesn't mean he's automatically great.
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Syracuse is going through the same thing. But arguably in a worst spot because their NIL is crap and their basketball souls are sucked dry since their only true rival to play is Boston College. I say *arguably* because at least from a roster standpoint, you can squint and see some foundation building blocks with Freeman and next year's freshman class (I heard Moore is transferring).

Who does Villanova have returning next year? They got one top 50 recruit. Are fans supposed to be pumped by Perkins, Moseley and Parker returning?

They can bottom out next year.
 
dk423 said:
Neptune has nothing to do with the NIL $$ flowing in. Villanova has a rich alumni base and program infrastructure that predates him. If anything, he's probably holding them back.
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If the performance was bad enough, the donors would speak with their wallets to have him removed. But again, Top 50 Net, above 500 in conference, wins over SJU, UConn, Marquette is not remotely bad enough for that to happen.
 
Redenbacher said:
If the performance was bad enough, the donors would speak with their wallets. But again, Top 50 Net, above 500 in conference, wins over SJU, UConn, Marquette is not remotely bad enough for that to happen.
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Sad their expectations dropped that quickly then. .500 in this conference this year is not something to be proud about.
 
Redenbacher said:
If the performance was bad enough, the donors would speak with their wallets to have him removed. But again, Top 50 Net, above 500 in conference, wins over SJU, UConn, Marquette is not remotely bad enough for that to happen.
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Wait till next year. IMO they would be better off making the move now but it's coming sooner or later
 
room112 said:
They shot a ridiculous 57% from 3 last night hitting 15. With a more regular performance that's probably a close game.
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57% off 26 attempts is insane. They shoot 40% on the season. If they shoot 35% off those 26 attempts, they lose.
 
dk423 said:
Sad their expectations dropped that quickly then. .500 in this conference this year is not something to be proud about.
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lawmanfan said:
Wait till next year. IMO they would be better off making the move now but it's coming sooner or later
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I agree with both of you. But Georgetown kept Patrick Ewing for 6 painful years in which he performed far, far worse than Neptune. The historical association with past greatness at the school carries more weight than it should for both him and Neptune.
 
Redenbacher said:
I agree with both of you. But Georgetown kept Patrick Ewing for 6 painful years in which he performed far, far worse than Neptune. The historical association with past greatness at the school carries more weight than it should for both him and Neptune.
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Nova hitting a hot streak from 3 and winning the BET wouldn't shock me as much as it probably should. Would be a disaster long-term for them.
 
lawmanfan said:
LOL watch them get on a run through the BET and make all of us Neptune critics look dumb :ROFLMAO:
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Nova is why the NBA is kind of unwatchable in the regular season. Just so much three point variance when you're relying on it and your roster is full of guys that are slightly above average.
 
Redenbacher said:
I agree with both of you. But Georgetown kept Patrick Ewing for 6 painful years in which he performed far, far worse than Neptune. The historical association with past greatness at the school carries more weight than it should for both him and Neptune.
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IMHO too early to predict whether Neptune stays. Nova has three very winnable games left. If they win those and one in BET they will have won 20 games and improved each year under Neptune. Given the amount of input Jay Wright undoubtedly still has, if they wind up 20-13 even without dancing I'd be shocked if Neptune isn't given another year to get back to the dance
 
I am a pretty firm believer that you have to see a player or coach or a team play over at least a season to do a fair evaluation, certainly others may disagree. Having said that, I am not offering this as an opinion one way or the other but to offer a perspective. It is offered as unscientific as games per season, teams in the conference, college basketball itself, etc. are not a constant, so as I said, just a perspective.
Since the 2000-2001 season, SJU has had 6 conference seasons with double digit wins, two of them the last two with Pitino. Neptune, assuming he gets one more this year will have double digit wins in each of his 3 years. Now compared to Jay Wright, that sucks because all 3 years are right at .500. But compared to the Johnnie’s for the previous 23 seasons pre-Pitino, pretty damn good.
Now, the legitimately great Jay Wright was 52-46 his first 3 years at Nova, 21-27 in conference, no NCAA appearances.
It is pretty common knowledge that a powerful faction at Duke wanted Coach K fired after his 38-47 overall record and 13-29 in conference after his first 3 seasons, no NCAA appearance.
Now the game has changed dramatically since then but I think with a lack of continuity in rosters, virtually beyond anyone’s control, I am not sure the same with coaches is a very good approach.
Certainly SJU changing coaches so much over the last quarter century didn’t work out so well. And where would the SJU program be today had Pitino not fallen into their lap?
So I don’t think Neptune is going anywhere and without ANY insight, unless there are extenuating circumstances, do I think he should.
 
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logen said:
I am a pretty firm believer that you have to see a player or coach or a team play over at least a season to do a fair evaluation, certainly others may disagree. Having said that, I am not offering this as an opinion one way or the other but to offer a perspective. It is offered as unscientific as games per season, teams in the conference, college basketball itself, etc. are not a constant, so as I said, just a perspective.
Since the 2000-2001 season, SJU has had 6 conference seasons with double digit wins, two of them the last two with Pitino. Neptune, assuming he gets one more this year will have double digit wins in each of his 3 years. Now compared to Jay Wright, that sucks because all 3 years are right at .500. But compared to the Johnnie’s for the previous 23 seasons pre-Pitino, pretty damn good.
Now, the legitimately great Jay Wright was 52-46 his first 3 years at Nova, 21-27 in conference, no NCAA appearances.
It is pretty common knowledge that a powerful faction at Duke wanted Coach K fired after his 38-47 overall record and 13-29 in conference after his first 3 seasons, no NCAA appearance.
Now the game has changed dramatically since then but I think with a lack of continuity in rosters, virtually beyond anyone’s control, I am not sure the same with coaches is a very good approach.
Certainly SJU changing coaches so much over the last quarter century didn’t work out so well. And where would the SJU program be today had Pitino not fallen into their lap?
So I don’t think Neptune is going anywhere and without ANY insight, unless there are extenuating circumstances, do I think he should.
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Thank you for bringing up Wright’s and K’s starts at Nova and Duke.
 
L J S A said:
Committee won't agree, but if Nova stays above .500 and continues to have a NET of 50, I put them in before an SEC or Big Ten team two, three, or four games under .500.

My new mantra is "You are the morons who thought an 18- and 16-team conference was a good thing, not me."
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I like it.

And since they shamelessly still call themselves Big 10 conference and Big 12 conference, their teams should be judged for NCAA tournament consideration as a percentage of only the top 10 or 12.

Meaning if the Big 10 get six teams in, that is 60 percent of their conference.
 
SJU85 said:
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Thank you for bringing up Wright’s and K’s starts at Nova and Duke.
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Those were in very different eras from this one. The days of bringing in a class of freshmen and growing a program over 4 years are gone.

Look at Pitino at SJU, Kelsey at Louisville, Pope at Kentucky, May at Michigan, etc. That's the model now.
 
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