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I just don’t know how they work out the travel with Gonzaga. Especially with the non revenue sports. VCU doesn’t present any of this issues although they are not the Program Gonzaga is. I might go Dayton here. Anthony Grant has built a nice program there and they would probably be able to up their game even more once they have the revenue streams of the Big East.

I don't know if the travel numbers work but do know the Big East has had discussions in the past. I think the main holdup/fear is if Gonzaga declines after Few leaves, but even if that happens who knows what the conference landscape will look like 10 years from now. Have to just focus on the next TV deal and Gonzaga would undoubtedly help with that and reduce negative UConn attention. Can't go backwards to 10 teams and 18 conference games when all other Power conferences are larger and/or expanding. Without UConn and a Wright-less Nova, this conference won't have any teams close to "blue blood" status. That's not good for a league focused on basketball. Maybe we get there starting with Pitino or Georgetown under Cooley, but it won't happen before the next TV contract is signed.

Gonzaga has more than proven their worth since the Big East realigned. As for VCU, Dayton, St. Louis, etc... as I've said they'll always be there and hopefully one of them will do something special in a Tournament or two rather than rely on cinderella runs from 10+ years ago. The Big 12 and Pac 12 were talking to Gonzaga but not any of those A10 schools for a reason. We need to have that same mentality.
 
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I don't know if the travel numbers work but do know the Big East has had discussions in the past. I think the main holdup/fear is if Gonzaga declines after Few leaves, but even if that happens who knows what the conference landscape will look like 10 years from now. Have to just focus on the next TV deal and Gonzaga would undoubtedly help with that and reduce negative UConn attention. Can't go backwards to 10 teams and 18 conference games when all other Power conferences are larger and/or expanding. Without UConn and a Wright-less Nova, this conference won't have any teams close to "blue blood" status. That's not good for a league focused on basketball. Maybe we get there starting with Pitino or Georgetown under Cooley, but it won't happen before the next TV contract is signed.

Gonzaga has more than proven their worth since the Big East realigned. As for VCU, Dayton, St. Louis, etc... as I've said they'll always be there and hopefully one of them will do something special in a Tournament or two rather than rely on cinderella runs from 10+ years ago. The Big 12 and Pac 12 were talking to Gonzaga but not any of those A10 schools for a reason. We need to have that same mentality.

Gonzaga has 16 sport teams. The stumbling block would not likely be the travel or expense for the men's and women's basketball teams but the cost and travel time to send the men's baseball team and the men's and women's soccer, golf, tennis, baseball, cross country, golf and track & field teams across the country for every away conference game.
 
Gonzaga has 16 sport teams. The stumbling block would not likely be the travel or expense for the men's and women's basketball teams but the cost and travel time to send the men's baseball team and the men's and women's soccer, golf, tennis, baseball, cross country, golf and track & field teams across the country for every away conference game.

I understand that, otherwise they would've been in the Big East back in 2013. The question is whether the difference in our next TV contract (likely $8 million vs $1 million or whatever they're currently making) plus the additional Tournament credits and additional ticket revenue from better matchups would offset the travel costs. My guess is they would, but I don't know for sure.
 
I understand that, otherwise they would've been in the Big East back in 2013. The question is whether the difference in our next TV contract (likely $8 million vs $1 million or whatever they're currently making) plus the additional Tournament credits and additional ticket revenue from better matchups would offset the travel costs. My guess is they would, but I don't know for sure.
I'm not a violent person but if it ever happened then the 1st post by someone saying let's play them in Carnesseca we have better chance of winning will get throat punched by me. :)
 
I'm not a violent person but if it ever happened then the 1st post by someone saying let's play them in Carnesseca we have better chance of winning will get throat punched by me. :)

If it happens then the game should definitely be at MSG, but I don't think our game vs them a decade or so ago drew that well there. With Pitino though I'd be shocked if it wasn't at MSG, and Gonzaga is a better brand now than they were back then.

I'm as vocal as anyone about playing teams at MSG, but if UConn leaves then I'd play them at CA their final year and schedule a H&H with Syracuse or someone similar at MSG. Expedite the erosion of their northeast basketball brand so they can play football (and basketball) in Oklahoma.
 
If it happens then the game should definitely be at MSG, but I don't think our game vs them a decade or so ago drew that well there. With Pitino though I'd be shocked if it wasn't at MSG, and Gonzaga is a better brand now than they were back then.

I'm as vocal as anyone about playing teams at MSG, but if UConn leaves then I'd play them at CA their final year and schedule a H&H with Syracuse or someone similar at MSG. Expedite the erosion of their northeast basketball brand so they can play football (and basketball) in Oklahoma.
That game against Gonzaga 9 years ago was part of a pre-season tournament, which never draw well to begin with AND it was either on Thanksgiving night or Black Friday. I recall being pissed about not being able to attend due to the holiday.
 
That game against Gonzaga 9 years ago was part of a pre-season tournament, which never draw well to begin with AND it was either on Thanksgiving night or Black Friday. I recall being pissed about not being able to attend due to the holiday.
It was Black Friday but it drew 5,500 people and we lost.
 
It was Black Friday but it drew 5,500 people and we lost.
Hey I was at that game. If we are referring to the same game Gonzaga had the big kid Karnowski. (and Sabonis) We stayed close but they finished us at the end. Lot of “red” in the crowd. Not for the reason you think. I think it was Georgia playing in the 1st game but I can’t remember who they played. I believe it was the NIT Season Tip off.

Edit: Looked it up the Consolation game was Georgia/Minnesota that Minnesota won.
 

The Athletic.

From the mailbag, question and responses on UConn:

If UConn were to leave the Big East, who should the Big East try to bring in for a new school? – Zach G.

Wouldn’t Coach Hurley and Coach Auriemma want UConn to stay in the Big East? If they want to stay, how much influence would they have on the university’s decision? – Jack D.

Dana: Let me preface this by saying I find the whole idea of UConn leaving the Big East maddeningly, infuriatingly stupid. When the school last tried to go all in on football, riding the huge tidal wave of that one Fiesta Bowl experience, it nearly cost the Huskies their identity. The school was lucky to get back into the Big East. What’s the saying? First time, shame on you?

I would love to think that Dan Hurley, hot off a national title, and Geno Auriemma, who is personally responsible for most of the trophies in the UConn cases, would have a say. But coaches’ opinions are rarely sought when it comes to conference realignment. I would think it would behoove university administrators to listen to their coaches in the trenches, and think real hard about doubling down on a sport in which they have a financially-draining relationship with the state for use of a stadium, and no discernible track record in winning. Alas.

As for Big East expansion, Val Ackerman is on record about being very cautious about movement, and rightly so. While everyone else chases their tails and reinvents their identities on the fly, the Big East’s success is based on selectivity and knowing what it is. The league does not need to expand just to expand; it needs to expand only if it’s going to help the conference. Loyola Chicago’s stutter move to the Atlantic 10, I’d imagine, gives everyone pause. The jump up in competition isn’t easy. Dayton and Saint Louis are viable options, for example, but which can be immediately Big East ready? I’d argue Dayton more, but how does Xavier feel about that? Gonzaga remains a really tricky, if not geographically impossible, pipe dream.

Short answer: Just because UConn might make a rash decision, that doesn’t mean the Big East ought to follow.

Brian, feel free to argue against.

Brian: There is no argument against. UConn belongs in the Big East, full stop. Money has a way of getting presidents and administrators to twist logic beyond all recognition, so I also have zero confidence UConn stays where it belongs. Just hope I’m wrong.

If UConn bolts, I don’t know that there’s a brilliant fit out there. The league would prioritize programs that make the NCAA Tournament regularly, because it doesn’t want to bring in fewer tournament units — and thereby less money — and split the pot with the same number of members or more. Dayton says it operates like a power conference program, but it also hasn’t made the NCAA Tournament since 2017 (Pour another one out for the 2019-2020 Flyers). Harder to manage out of the Atlantic 10, of course … but that’s still a glaring absence.

The gangster move is Syracuse. Whether UConn leaves or not. Probably not likely to convince a place with a former television executive as athletic director to deprioritize football, and the grant-of-rights legal entanglements likely make this a non-starter. But this is conference realignment. Never think something can’t be done. A revitalized Syracuse men’s hoops program, playing where it belongs, could lift a lot of boats — much like it has for UConn.
 
Dana O’Neil in The Athletic via NY Times

“As for Big East expansion, Val Ackerman is on record about being very cautious about movement, and rightly so. While everyone else chases their tails and reinvents their identities on the fly, the Big East’s success is based on selectivity and knowing what it is. The league does not need to expand just to expand; it needs to expand only if it’s going to help the conference.
Loyola Chicago’s stutter move to the Atlantic 10, I’d imagine, gives everyone pause. The jump up in competition isn’t easy. Dayton and Saint Louis are viable options, for example, but which can be immediately Big East ready? I’d argue Dayton more, but how does Xavier feel about that? Gonzaga remains a really tricky, if not geographically impossible, pipe dream.

Short answer: Just because UConn might make a rash decision, that doesn’t mean the Big East ought to follow.
 

The Athletic.

From the mailbag, question and responses on UConn:

If UConn were to leave the Big East, who should the Big East try to bring in for a new school? – Zach G.

Wouldn’t Coach Hurley and Coach Auriemma want UConn to stay in the Big East? If they want to stay, how much influence would they have on the university’s decision? – Jack D.

Dana: Let me preface this by saying I find the whole idea of UConn leaving the Big East maddeningly, infuriatingly stupid. When the school last tried to go all in on football, riding the huge tidal wave of that one Fiesta Bowl experience, it nearly cost the Huskies their identity. The school was lucky to get back into the Big East. What’s the saying? First time, shame on you?

I would love to think that Dan Hurley, hot off a national title, and Geno Auriemma, who is personally responsible for most of the trophies in the UConn cases, would have a say. But coaches’ opinions are rarely sought when it comes to conference realignment. I would think it would behoove university administrators to listen to their coaches in the trenches, and think real hard about doubling down on a sport in which they have a financially-draining relationship with the state for use of a stadium, and no discernible track record in winning. Alas.

As for Big East expansion, Val Ackerman is on record about being very cautious about movement, and rightly so. While everyone else chases their tails and reinvents their identities on the fly, the Big East’s success is based on selectivity and knowing what it is. The league does not need to expand just to expand; it needs to expand only if it’s going to help the conference. Loyola Chicago’s stutter move to the Atlantic 10, I’d imagine, gives everyone pause. The jump up in competition isn’t easy. Dayton and Saint Louis are viable options, for example, but which can be immediately Big East ready? I’d argue Dayton more, but how does Xavier feel about that? Gonzaga remains a really tricky, if not geographically impossible, pipe dream.

Short answer: Just because UConn might make a rash decision, that doesn’t mean the Big East ought to follow.

Brian, feel free to argue against.

Brian: There is no argument against. UConn belongs in the Big East, full stop. Money has a way of getting presidents and administrators to twist logic beyond all recognition, so I also have zero confidence UConn stays where it belongs. Just hope I’m wrong.

If UConn bolts, I don’t know that there’s a brilliant fit out there. The league would prioritize programs that make the NCAA Tournament regularly, because it doesn’t want to bring in fewer tournament units — and thereby less money — and split the pot with the same number of members or more. Dayton says it operates like a power conference program, but it also hasn’t made the NCAA Tournament since 2017 (Pour another one out for the 2019-2020 Flyers). Harder to manage out of the Atlantic 10, of course … but that’s still a glaring absence.

The gangster move is Syracuse. Whether UConn leaves or not. Probably not likely to convince a place with a former television executive as athletic director to deprioritize football, and the grant-of-rights legal entanglements likely make this a non-starter. But this is conference realignment. Never think something can’t be done. A revitalized Syracuse men’s hoops program, playing where it belongs, could lift a lot of boats — much like it has for UConn.
I needed a minute after throwing up in my mouth after reading Hamilton bring up Syracuse as a replacement if UConn leaves the BE.

Using a word like “gangster” to have appeal, still makes that point absurd.

The BE conference is not a rehab facility for former BE members to straighten themselves out. Even broaching the idea of inviting Syracuse to replace UConn, constitutes a fireable offense.
 
I needed a minute after throwing up in my mouth after reading Hamilton bring up Syracuse as a replacement if UConn leaves the BE.

Using a word like “gangster” to have appeal, still makes that point absurd.

The BE conference is not a rehab facility for former BE members to straighten themselves out. Even broaching the idea of inviting Syracuse to replace UConn, constitutes a fireable offense.

I couldn’t agree more.
 

The Athletic.

From the mailbag, question and responses on UConn:

If UConn were to leave the Big East, who should the Big East try to bring in for a new school? – Zach G.

Wouldn’t Coach Hurley and Coach Auriemma want UConn to stay in the Big East? If they want to stay, how much influence would they have on the university’s decision? – Jack D.

Dana: Let me preface this by saying I find the whole idea of UConn leaving the Big East maddeningly, infuriatingly stupid. When the school last tried to go all in on football, riding the huge tidal wave of that one Fiesta Bowl experience, it nearly cost the Huskies their identity. The school was lucky to get back into the Big East. What’s the saying? First time, shame on you?

I would love to think that Dan Hurley, hot off a national title, and Geno Auriemma, who is personally responsible for most of the trophies in the UConn cases, would have a say. But coaches’ opinions are rarely sought when it comes to conference realignment. I would think it would behoove university administrators to listen to their coaches in the trenches, and think real hard about doubling down on a sport in which they have a financially-draining relationship with the state for use of a stadium, and no discernible track record in winning. Alas.

As for Big East expansion, Val Ackerman is on record about being very cautious about movement, and rightly so. While everyone else chases their tails and reinvents their identities on the fly, the Big East’s success is based on selectivity and knowing what it is. The league does not need to expand just to expand; it needs to expand only if it’s going to help the conference. Loyola Chicago’s stutter move to the Atlantic 10, I’d imagine, gives everyone pause. The jump up in competition isn’t easy. Dayton and Saint Louis are viable options, for example, but which can be immediately Big East ready? I’d argue Dayton more, but how does Xavier feel about that? Gonzaga remains a really tricky, if not geographically impossible, pipe dream.

Short answer: Just because UConn might make a rash decision, that doesn’t mean the Big East ought to follow.

Brian, feel free to argue against.

Brian: There is no argument against. UConn belongs in the Big East, full stop. Money has a way of getting presidents and administrators to twist logic beyond all recognition, so I also have zero confidence UConn stays where it belongs. Just hope I’m wrong.

If UConn bolts, I don’t know that there’s a brilliant fit out there. The league would prioritize programs that make the NCAA Tournament regularly, because it doesn’t want to bring in fewer tournament units — and thereby less money — and split the pot with the same number of members or more. Dayton says it operates like a power conference program, but it also hasn’t made the NCAA Tournament since 2017 (Pour another one out for the 2019-2020 Flyers). Harder to manage out of the Atlantic 10, of course … but that’s still a glaring absence.

The gangster move is Syracuse. Whether UConn leaves or not. Probably not likely to convince a place with a former television executive as athletic director to deprioritize football, and the grant-of-rights legal entanglements likely make this a non-starter. But this is conference realignment. Never think something can’t be done. A revitalized Syracuse men’s hoops program, playing where it belongs, could lift a lot of boats — much like it has for UConn.

From the same mailbag:

Who are the coaches who took over programs that were not winners last year, but could be winners next year? Please give one Power Six, one mid-major, and a wild card. – Sidney T.

Rick Pitino seems to have done an amazing job retooling St. John’s roster. Thoughts on what we can expect to see from the Johnnies this year and in the next few years under Pitino? – Paul G.

Dana: I added Paul’s question here because this is the first name that jumps to mind. St. John’s has not garnered this much press since the ugly sweater era days of Lou Carnesseca. The day Pitino got the job, I figured everyone around the Big East grumbled. The man is working like a 30-year-old in his first gig, not a Hall of Famer who should be improving his putting game. So that’s my wild card.
 
I simply don't trust Syracuse/Pittsburgh/Boston College from leaving again once a different all-sports conference emerges.

With that said, I can see a possibility of this working if the NCAA ultimately separates football from the Olympic sports. If football becomes its own thing, and conference affiliation is simply different for football compared to basketball, then I definitely think those schools would rather be in the Big East for the long haul & it can work. That probably won't be for another 15-20 years.
 
I simply don't trust Syracuse/Pittsburgh/Boston College from leaving again once a different all-sports conference emerges.

With that said, I can see a possibility of this working if the NCAA ultimately separates football from the Olympic sports. If football becomes its own thing, and conference affiliation is simply different for football compared to basketball, then I definitely think those schools would rather be in the Big East for the long haul & it can work. That probably won't be for another 15-20 years.
If the ACC blows up as expected. What if the Big East brings in Syracuse, Boston College, Pittsburgh, Duke and Wake Forest. Have a 16 team power basketball conference and a small 6 team football conference.
 
If the ACC blows up as expected. What if the Big East brings in Syracuse, Boston College, Pittsburgh, Duke and Wake Forest. Have a 16 team power basketball conference and a small 6 team football conference.
A six-team conference -- especially with those teams -- wouldn't sniff a TV contract or be able to hold a conference championship. Their football programs would cease to exist a decade from now.
 
A six-team conference -- especially with those teams -- wouldn't sniff a TV contract or be able to hold a conference championship. Their football programs would cease to exist a decade from now.
Schools with football will have to be all in to compete in the future of professional college football. If not they should go down to the Umass/Nova level where it is a fall entertainment and an excuse for tailgating on a saturday afternoon as they get ready for their real sport--college basketball!

without the total monetary commitment by a university, they cannot compete, period. For some schools the old modified adage applies--their aspirations are bigger than their wallets and they are throwing away money.
 
Those who don’t learn from history are doomed to fail.

Been there done that! It eventually blew up! We’ve moved on.

On emotional terms you are 1,000% correct, however there are variables which no one can foresee…. for example, if the NCAA basketball tournament is replaced by a Big 10/ SEC centric championship tournament that would render the NCAA basketball tournament format NITish (as has been speculated) then the Big East pairing with the ACC football outcasts may become desirable if that would allow the Big East schools to compete in the new tournament.

Absent an unforeseen change I agree …. let Boston College, Syracuse, Norte Dame, and Pittsburgh rot.
 
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