Around the Big East 19/20

I still think our 3 PT shooting will be the nail in our coffin this year, but in this conference you just never know. Seton Hall and PC are both beatable. Everyone is beatable. We almost took down Butler, we beat WVU which is a legit top 10 team now, and nothing seems to make sense. This would be a nice season to take full advantage of the chaos, but we will see. 1-3 does not bode well at the same time and we always struggle mightily in conference play. I'd feel a lot better with a real big to replace Steere who is obviously overmatched and 2-3 real shooters. I'm way more worried about SHU because we have no shooting stroke. That forces us inside if we have any chance to win and they have like 3 guys around or over 7 ft. Will be getting blocked and altered shots left and right. I'd drive right at them and get them in foul trouble though.
 
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Mike Z , good post . A team never has too many 3 point shooters... We have 2 guys who can make them but , I wouldn’t call Figgy or Heron the type of Player who can routinely nail 3, 4 or 5 per game ... While he was often criticized last year , Trimble was capable of hitting the open 3 with some frequency and in several games over his 2 years actually was the difference in winning a couple . Yes, he wasn’t quick or the type of player that many Coaches would favor but , he was often guarding much bigger players in the post and gave a good effort . I realize he isn’t the type player that Anderson wants but , his shooting potential could have been valuable in situations this season . Too bad , he wasn’t talked into returning . He might have helped the abysmal shooting in many games . I also believe , unless it’s Player decision to not return , the School and its Coaches owe some loyalty to a kid who committed to St John’s as a incoming freshman as Trimble did . I’m sure many here may disagree but , that’s my opinion .
 
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[quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=372130]Mike Z , good post . A team never has too many 3 point shooters... We have 2 guys who can make them but , I wouldn’t call Figgy or Heron the type of Player who can routinely nail 3, 4 or 5 per game ... While he was often criticized last year , Trimble was capable of hitting the open 3 with some frequency and in several games over his 2 years actually was the difference in winning a couple . Yes, he wasn’t quick or the type of player that many Coaches would favor but , he was often guarding much bigger players in the post and gave a good effort . I realize he isn’t the type player that Anderson wants but , his shooting potential could have been valuable in situations this season . Too bad , he wasn’t talked into returning . He might have helped the abysmal shooting in many games . I also believe , unless it’s Player decision to not return , the School and its Coaches owe some loyalty to a kid who committed to St John’s as a incoming freshman as Trimble did . I’m sure many here may disagree but , that’s my opinion .[/quote]

Trimble was a good kid, team player, forced into tough duty guarding bigs. But his supposed MO of being a dead-eye 3-point shooter he was not. Made 1 or 2, but certainly not with any "frequency."
 
Trimble took 156 threes over two years and shot just over 32%. Not great by any means, but he'd be third best three point shooter on this year's team. Having said that, I liked Trimble but I believe it was best for him to transfer when he did. Wish him well next year.
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=372087][quote="fuchsia" post=372065]The correlation between shooting percentage and character has never been established.[/quote]

You are welcomed to initiate a study but I suggest you first read something very basic before you do.


[URL]https://www.usab.com[/URL]:443/youth/news/2011/06/10-tips-to-improve-the-mental-side-of-shooting.aspx#.XhuIteEedOE.email[/quote]

Thanks for the article. Is it okay if I share it with my orthopedist instead of my shrink colleagues?
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=372134]Trimble took 156 threes over two years and shot just over 32%. Not great by any means, but he'd be third best three point shooter on this year's team. Having said that, I liked Trimble but I believe it was best for him to transfer when he did. Wish him well next year.[/quote]

Where did Trimble wind up?
 
Big East player of the week: Myles Powell (Seton Hall).

Freshman of the week: Jeremiah Robinson-Earl (Villanova).

Honor roll: Jordan Tucker (Butler), Christian Bishop (Creighton), Alpha Diallo (Providence), Rasheem Dunn (St. John's) and Saddiq Bey (Villanova).
 
Knight wrote: Where did Trimble wind up?

He is sitting out this year with Akron in the Mid American conference. Akron is 13-3 and 3-0 in conference. Noticed that 3 of their 4 leading scorers are seniors so Trimble should get plenty of minutes next year.
 
Seton Hall moves back into AP Top 25 at No. 18. Rutgers received 8 votes as well.

Butler #5
Nova #14
Creighton # 25
 
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[quote="Paultzman" post=372143]Seton Hall moves back into AP Top 25 at No. 18. Rutgers received 8 votes as well.[/quote]

Good timing, another chance to take down a ranked team at MSG this weekend
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=372134]Trimble took 156 threes over two years and shot just over 32%. Not great by any means, but he'd be third best three point shooter on this year's team. Having said that, I liked Trimble but I believe it was best for him to transfer when he did. Wish him well next year.[/quote]. Good point , NC. But , considering how poorly the rest of the Team, excluding Figgy’s and Heron , shoot the Ball, 32 percent from 3 qualifies as a Sharpshooter . And , remember Trimble didn’t get a lot of minutes for the most part . I think Mullin got serviceable results from Trimble and he was a pretty good standstill shooter when he was open . You might be right about him landing at Akron for next season . He took a fair amount of abuse here in his first year regarding his conditioning but , he did work hard to get in shape for last season . Good luck to him .
 
[quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=372150][quote="NCJohnnie" post=372134]Trimble took 156 threes over two years and shot just over 32%. Not great by any means, but he'd be third best three point shooter on this year's team. Having said that, I liked Trimble but I believe it was best for him to transfer when he did. Wish him well next year.[/quote]. Good point , NC. But , considering how poorly the rest of the Team, excluding Figgy’s and Heron , shoot the Ball, 32 percent from 3 qualifies as a Sharpshooter . And , remember Trimble didn’t get a lot of minutes for the most part . I think Mullin got serviceable results from Trimble and he was a pretty good standstill shooter when he was open . You might be right about him landing at Akron for next season . He took a fair amount of abuse here in his first year regarding his conditioning but , he did work hard to get in shape for last season . Good luck to him .[/quote]

He wasn't a good enough shooter for someone who was basically a "catch-and-shoot" player. He probably dribbled the ball about 10 times and made one or two moves to the basket in two years. If he shot the ball at a 40% clip or higher as a standstill shooter, then he would've been valuable for this team.

I'll give him more props on the defensive end as he battled and banged, and at times, held his own, with bigger foes last season.
 
Seton Hall ranked #18 for out battle this weekend. If we can grab a road win at prov that sets up a huge game at MSG where we can get to 3-3 in conference and also take down another highly ranked opponent
 
[quote="MJDinkins" post=372155][quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=372150][quote="NCJohnnie" post=372134]Trimble took 156 threes over two years and shot just over 32%. Not great by any means, but he'd be third best three point shooter on this year's team. Having said that, I liked Trimble but I believe it was best for him to transfer when he did. Wish him well next year.[/quote]. Good point , NC. But , considering how poorly the rest of the Team, excluding Figgy’s and Heron , shoot the Ball, 32 percent from 3 qualifies as a Sharpshooter . And , remember Trimble didn’t get a lot of minutes for the most part . I think Mullin got serviceable results from Trimble and he was a pretty good standstill shooter when he was open . You might be right about him landing at Akron for next season . He took a fair amount of abuse here in his first year regarding his conditioning but , he did work hard to get in shape for last season . Good luck to him .[/quote]

He wasn't a good enough shooter for someone who was basically a "catch-and-shoot" player. He probably dribbled the ball about 10 times and made one or two moves to the basket in two years. If he shot the ball at a 40% clip or higher as a standstill shooter, then he would've been valuable for this team.

I'll give him more props on the defensive end as he battled and banged, and at times, held his own, with bigger foes last season.[/quote]

He certainly had a strength/physical advantage over Caraher, but I so much appreciate Caraher’s ability and willingness to work without the ball. Before Heron delivered a nice pass for the and 1 late last game, our guys had missed him on more than one occasion. Even with whatever lack of athleticism he has he does his best to impact the game in other areas even when his shot isn’t falling.
 
[quote="Jack Williams" post=372156]Seton Hall ranked #18 for out battle this weekend. If we can grab a road win at prov that sets up a huge game at MSG where we can get to 3-3 in conference and also take down another highly ranked opponent[/quote]

We played much better at the garden then we do elsewhere this year. We can beat SHU on Saturday.
 
Amaseinyourface wrote: He certainly had a strength/physical advantage over Caraher, but I so much appreciate Caraher’s ability and willingness to work without the ball. Before Heron delivered a nice pass for the and 1 late last game, our guys had missed him on more than one occasion. Even with whatever lack of athleticism he has he does his best to impact the game in other areas even when his shot isn’t falling.

I agree that Caraher is a much better all around offensive player than Trimble showed with us. I was always waiting for Bryan to fake the three and put the ball on the floor but it never happened. He didn't fit CMA's style of play in any event and I think transferring was best move for him. I wish him well and it will be interesting to see if at lower level of play and with a year of coaching he becomes a more well rounded player for Akron next year.
 
Dunn named to Big East honor roll today for his effort last week (avg 18.5 pts., 8.5 R, 4.5 A and 3 steals per game). Well deserved!
 
[quote="MJDinkins" post=372155][quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=372150][quote="NCJohnnie" post=372134]Trimble took 156 threes over two years and shot just over 32%. Not great by any means, but he'd be third best three point shooter on this year's team. Having said that, I liked Trimble but I believe it was best for him to transfer when he did. Wish him well next year.[/quote]. Good point , NC. But , considering how poorly the rest of the Team, excluding Figgy’s and Heron , shoot the Ball, 32 percent from 3 qualifies as a Sharpshooter . And , remember Trimble didn’t get a lot of minutes for the most part . I think Mullin got serviceable results from Trimble and he was a pretty good standstill shooter when he was open . You might be right about him landing at Akron for next season . He took a fair amount of abuse here in his first year regarding his conditioning but , he did work hard to get in shape for last season . Good luck to him .[/quote]

He wasn't a good enough shooter for someone who was basically a "catch-and-shoot" player. He probably dribbled the ball about 10 times and made one or two moves to the basket in two years. If he shot the ball at a 40% clip or higher as a standstill shooter, then he would've been valuable for this team.

I'll give him more props on the defensive end as he battled and banged, and at times, held his own, with bigger foes last season.[/quote]. True , to an extent but , Trimble was a off the Bench player in his time here , not a Starter . As NC Johnnie said , he shot about 32 percent over 2 years taking around 150 shots . Currently , only the top 50 3 point shooters in all of Div 1 basketball shoot 40 percent on 3 ‘s . On our current team Figgy shoots 36 percent and Heron 35 percent on 3’s . No one else breaks 30 percent . Dunn shoots 21 percent but , we know he’s in there for other things , not his shooting ! The point was Trimble as a sub , a role he played for us and would continue to play , would have made some contribution shooting , even at 32 percent . It’s a what if comment , nothing more . BTW, only Howard on Marquette and Ballock on Creighton crack the top 50 among BE players . Syracuse has 2 Players , Buddy Boeheim and Elkins , I think his name is , in the top 50 of 3 point shooters . A more compelling point is that Recruiting 3 point shooters has to be a major target for Anderson moving forward and not just 1 player but, as many as you can get . Kids who have shooting touch , in addition to the other skills , are a premium .
 
Seton Hall coach Kevin Willard said bone scan on Sandro Mamukelashvili came back clean. Slightly ahead of schedule. Thinks return Feb. 1 against Xavier is a realistic expectation. #shbb
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