Are we in better shape than last year?

One thing's for sure...we have to stop claiming that even 1 win improvements are progress in years after we finish in or near the basement. Imagine the Cleveland Browns going 0-16 and having 1-15, 2-14, 3-13, 4-12, etc. following seasons considered to be "progress". It's technical progress, but not anywhere near success.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=282324]One thing's for sure...we have to stop claiming that even 1 win improvements are progress in years after we finish in or near the basement. Imagine the Cleveland Browns going 0-16 and having 1-15, 2-14, 3-13, 4-12, etc. following seasons considered to be "progress". It's technical progress, but not anywhere near success.[/quote]
No kidding, not exactly great insight there Mike. :)
 
A question for the board. I know every 4 or 5 years a coach can bring the team to Europe over the summer to play. Can Mullin bring them this summer? I think that would really benefit this team if that were possible.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=282324]One thing's for sure...we have to stop claiming that even 1 win improvements are progress in years after we finish in or near the basement. Imagine the Cleveland Browns going 0-16 and having 1-15, 2-14, 3-13, 4-12, etc. following seasons considered to be "progress". It's technical progress, but not anywhere near success.[/quote]

Who claimed that?
 
[quote="Mean Gene" post=282355]A question for the board. I know every 4 or 5 years a coach can bring the team to Europe over the summer to play. Can Mullin bring them this summer? I think that would really benefit this team if that were possible.[/quote]

If I’m not mistaken, the last time the team went on a trip was Lavin’s last year so this would be 4 years.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=282360][quote="Mike Zaun" post=282324]One thing's for sure...we have to stop claiming that even 1 win improvements are progress in years after we finish in or near the basement. Imagine the Cleveland Browns going 0-16 and having 1-15, 2-14, 3-13, 4-12, etc. following seasons considered to be "progress". It's technical progress, but not anywhere near success.[/quote]

Who claimed that?[/quote]

In all my years of watching sports, I don't think I've ever heard anyone claim that.
 
[quote="Mean Gene" post=282355]A question for the board. I know every 4 or 5 years a coach can bring the team to Europe over the summer to play. Can Mullin bring them this summer? I think that would really benefit this team if that were possible.[/quote]

He wouldn't have the time to make the trip.
 
[quote="Tom in Salem" post=282373][quote="Mean Gene" post=282355]A question for the board. I know every 4 or 5 years a coach can bring the team to Europe over the summer to play. Can Mullin bring them this summer? I think that would really benefit this team if that were possible.[/quote]

He wouldn't have the time to make the trip.[/quote]

Did you have some history with Mullin Tom?
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=282380][quote="Tom in Salem" post=282373][quote="Mean Gene" post=282355]A question for the board. I know every 4 or 5 years a coach can bring the team to Europe over the summer to play. Can Mullin bring them this summer? I think that would really benefit this team if that were possible.[/quote]

He wouldn't have the time to make the trip.[/quote]

Did you have some history with Mullin Tom?[/quote]

Funny Sal, no.
Just know a bad hire when I see it.
I've made 2 in my life and they still haunt me.
 
[quote="L J S A" post=282368][quote="Beast of the East" post=282360][quote="Mike Zaun" post=282324]One thing's for sure...we have to stop claiming that even 1 win improvements are progress in years after we finish in or near the basement. Imagine the Cleveland Browns going 0-16 and having 1-15, 2-14, 3-13, 4-12, etc. following seasons considered to be "progress". It's technical progress, but not anywhere near success.[/quote]

Who claimed that?[/quote]

In all my years of watching sports, I don't think I've ever heard anyone claim that.[/quote]

In all my years of reading this forum I've only heard it here during the Mullin experiment. Some called it "incremental" improvement while others called it progress. In three Big East seasons we have won 1 game in year one, 7 games in year two and then we took a step back in year three winning only 4 games. In 54 Big East games we have only won 12 games in three years.
So, while Beast disagreed with Mike Zaun he also confirmed the one game improvement scenario in saying "
If I had to make aAs you said prediction, it would be a 1-3 game improvement and be pleasantly surprised if they exceed that." If improvement under Mullin is winning just ONE more game next year then we are collectively in deep shit.
Mullin needs to win 21 games in a weakened Big East next year or he is history. As we saw with Lavin that still may not be enough to save his job if he loses all his major targets starting with Kofi.
That's the reality whether you guys Karma me or not.
 
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[quote="Class of 72" post=282384][quote="L J S A" post=282368][quote="Beast of the East" post=282360][quote="Mike Zaun" post=282324]One thing's for sure...we have to stop claiming that even 1 win improvements are progress in years after we finish in or near the basement. Imagine the Cleveland Browns going 0-16 and having 1-15, 2-14, 3-13, 4-12, etc. following seasons considered to be "progress". It's technical progress, but not anywhere near success.[/quote]

Who claimed that?[/quote]

In all my years of watching sports, I don't think I've ever heard anyone claim that.[/quote]

In all my years of reading this forum I've only heard it here during the Mullin experiment. Some called it "incremental" improvement while others called it progress. In three Big East seasons we have won 1 game in year one, 7 games in year two and then we took a step back in year three winning only 4 games. In 54 Big East games we have only won 12 games in three years.
So, while Beast disagreed with Mike Zaun he also confirmed he one game improvement scenario in saying "
If I had to make aAs you said prediction, it would be a 1-3 game improvement and be pleasantly surprised if they exceed that." If improvement under Mullin is winning just ONE more game next year then we are collectively in deep shit.
Mullin needs to win 21 games in a weakened Big East next year or he is history. As we saw with Lavin that still may not be enough to save his job if he loses all his major targets starting with Kofi.
That's the reality whether you guys Karma me or not.[/quote]

+1.
 
[quote="Tom in Salem" post=282385][quote="Class of 72" post=282384][quote="L J S A" post=282368][quote="Beast of the East" post=282360][quote="Mike Zaun" post=282324]One thing's for sure...we have to stop claiming that even 1 win improvements are progress in years after we finish in or near the basement. Imagine the Cleveland Browns going 0-16 and having 1-15, 2-14, 3-13, 4-12, etc. following seasons considered to be "progress". It's technical progress, but not anywhere near success.[/quote]

Who claimed that?[/quote]

In all my years of watching sports, I don't think I've ever heard anyone claim that.[/quote]

In all my years of reading this forum I've only heard it here during the Mullin experiment. Some called it "incremental" improvement while others called it progress. In three Big East seasons we have won 1 game in year one, 7 games in year two and then we took a step back in year three winning only 4 games. In 54 Big East games we have only won 12 games in three years.
So, while Beast disagreed with Mike Zaun he also confirmed he one game improvement scenario in saying "
If I had to make aAs you said prediction, it would be a 1-3 game improvement and be pleasantly surprised if they exceed that." If improvement under Mullin is winning just ONE more game next year then we are collectively in deep shit.
Mullin needs to win 21 games in a weakened Big East next year or he is history. As we saw with Lavin that still may not be enough to save his job if he loses all his major targets starting with Kofi.
That's the reality whether you guys Karma me or not.[/quote]

+1.[/quote]

There are many on this Board who defend Mullin and his record without nary a peep.
There are many who boo his tenure, not giving much credence to extenuating circumstances to the man's 38-60 record across 3 seasons at St. John's.
And there are others who support the guy, have allegiance to his glory days on the team, thought that despite no HC experience, he would revive and restore our winning tradition because of his great playing career.
That view may prove simplistic and wrong, but I still hold it and it seems others in this camp still believe it.
That said, our greatest allegiance--all of us on this Board--is to the University and its great traditions.
At the end of the day, all of us are held accountable for our actions, for our 'record'.
Including Chris Mullin.
Excuses die on the vine of fact and reality.
I support CM still, but I--and all of us--are watching and observing and hoping, that CM succeeds and revives the winning tradition of St. John's hoops, because We Are St. John's.
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=282384][quote="L J S A" post=282368][quote="Beast of the East" post=282360][quote="Mike Zaun" post=282324]One thing's for sure...we have to stop claiming that even 1 win improvements are progress in years after we finish in or near the basement. Imagine the Cleveland Browns going 0-16 and having 1-15, 2-14, 3-13, 4-12, etc. following seasons considered to be "progress". It's technical progress, but not anywhere near success.[/quote]

Who claimed that?[/quote]

In all my years of watching sports, I don't think I've ever heard anyone claim that.[/quote]

In all my years of reading this forum I've only heard it here during the Mullin experiment. Some called it "incremental" improvement while others called it progress. In three Big East seasons we have won 1 game in year one, 7 games in year two and then we took a step back in year three winning only 4 games. In 54 Big East games we have only won 12 games in three years.
So, while Beast disagreed with Mike Zaun he also confirmed he one game improvement scenario in saying "
If I had to make aAs you said prediction, it would be a 1-3 game improvement and be pleasantly surprised if they exceed that." If improvement under Mullin is winning just ONE more game next year then we are collectively in deep shit.
Mullin needs to win 21 games in a weakened Big East next year or he is history. As we saw with Lavin that still may not be enough to save his job if he loses all his major targets starting with Kofi.
That's the reality whether you guys Karma me or not.[/quote]

Conversely, Tom In Salem predict a 5 game improvement, which would be 21 wins and a likely NCAA bid, yet still thinks Mullin should be fired.

All I'm saying is that as the roster stands now, I don't see a radical improvement. A 3 game improvement is 19 wins, which is acceptable improvement. 17 wins, is really just standing in place, but unless the cupboard is empty for the next season wouldn't see that as reason to fire him, and as I've said a million times, my opinion is that he won't be fired after 4 years, not whether he should or shouldn't.

If Mullin doesn't win 21 games you may be screaming louder than ever, but I just don't get the impression that your opinion would influence the decision makers unless you are one of them
 
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Did not read through this whole thread, but yes, we should be in better shape. We will be a better team (assuming Ponds return) by a small margin, but the BE having a down year is what I think will lead us to the NCAAs.

Its tournament or bust next year
 
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