Anderson - is he really the guy ?

[19854ever]

We lacked continuity on the roster, only three players of significance came back from last years team for the season just completed. 
Champagne is going to go pro, Posh may transfer, Wusu who knows, and who knows whom else. It took 1/2 the year for Wheeler to become impact and 3/4  of the season for Soriano to get up to speed. Another roster turnover 3/4 of the season for the team to gel and what are we again an NIT bubble team ?

CMA is 62 and Tulsa is flirting with him big time, at present a mediocre Big East coach.

 And once again our beloved program is in a state of flux, so I ask the intelligentsia on Redmen.com who is the savior that is  going to walk through the doors of Alumni Hall and finally turn this around?

 

[room112]

We shot 7 percentage points less this year than last.
68% to 75%

 

It all comes down to practice. Who knows how much time as spent working on free throws, or how much extra time our kids out in to improve, if any at all. This is not to call anyone out, since I have no idea, but I have no other explanation.

 

[MainMan]

We shot 7 percentage points less this year than last.
68% to 75%


 

It all comes down to practice. Who knows how much time as spent working on free throws, or how much extra time our kids out in to improve, if any at all. This is not to call anyone out, since I have no idea, but I have no other explanation.

Well, there's another explanation. 
We lost an entire team of good free throw shooters to the transfer portal last spring. 
The players we brought in were simply not as good. 

 

[Knight]

Need a free throw coach.  Don’t just have kids go out and shoot.  Have an experienced coach breakdown the shooter’s approach, technique and thought process when they go to the line.  Repeat, repeat, repeat.

 

[SLYFOXX1968]

I guess we will know very soon about CMA .  From his personal perspective , at age 63 next Season , and not being a North East guy , returning to your Alma Mater in a less stressful job might be attractive .  And , maybe there were going to be significant defections from our Roster that we don’t know about . That would generate interest too .   I think we got lucky getting CMA in the first place . The scenario after Mullin wasn’t going well with declinations from several potential candidates that Cragg approached .   CMA getting let go at Arkansas , kind of fell into Cragg ‘s lap .  Anderson is a nice guy , thoroughly professional , and a good , not great Coach .  He’s wedded to his style and it hadn’t played all that well in the BE . Plus , he’s competing against Elite Coaches like Wright , McDermott . Very good Coaches like Willard , Cooley , Smart .  He might figure I’m not going to be able to crack the barrier of those Teams in a Season or 2 . He’s probably right .  As disappointing a reality as that is for us Johnnies and old guys .                              I think at this point  It’s not the worst scenario if he decides to move on . Barring his bringing in , several Stud transfers and a newbie , next season could be troublesome again . And , that assumes retaining all our current players and recruits .    Which poses the forever question ? Who is the dynamo type Coach that can come here and get us into the top tier of the BE and ultimately be a Champion !  Stay tuned .. 

 

[Johnny Rapper]

We lacked continuity on the roster, only three players of significance came back from last years team for the season just completed. 
Champagne is going to go pro, Posh may transfer, Wusu who knows, and who knows whom else. It took 1/2 the year for Wheeler to become impact and 3/4  of the season for Soriano to get up to speed. Another roster turnover 3/4 of the season for the team to gel and what are we again an NIT bubble team ?

CMA is 62 and Tulsa is flirting with him big time, at present a mediocre Big East coach.

 And once again our beloved program is in a state of flux, so I ask the intelligentsia on Redmen.com who is the savior that is  going to walk through the doors of Alumni Hall and finally turn this around?

This has been the long standing excuse for why the program cant succeed. The reality is this.... at 2.5 million there are plenty of competent coaches out there who could be successful. Thats up to a competent AD (hopefully Cragg ???) to get him here. Just cause posters on this board don't know of anyone doesn't mean there isn't anyone out there. How do we know that a successful coach at another school isn't interested in making a change? Look at Tulsa and Anderson. It's the AD's job to make inquiries and not just from coaches who are out of work or recently fired. Not that this would happen....but take a coach like Bruce Pearl, established, successful... how do you know he may not entertain a change in scenery? How would you know if he would welcome a return to NYC unless you inquire. And thats what a coaching search should be all about, not one out of desperation done far too quickly like the last one. Whats the rush? A great find in a coach will find players to come in at any time. Look what Shaka did for Marquete. Of course this comes down to competency in an AD. Hopefully Cragg learned from his last search, a thing or two and does things the right way this time.

 

[19854ever]

Danny Hurley who I wish we hired back in 2015 after Lavin was on with BT and Tiki he had a great quote which I hope was the mantra of this program 

“Culture over portal” we need to build that here. 

 

[Sherman Sheridan & Grant]

Perspective as to how long a HC might need before turning a program around - from NYPost article on Seton Hall’s departing coach:

The Long Island native, who worked for six years under Rick Pitino at Louisville, came to Seton Hall in 2010 after three seasons as the Iona coach. His first five years were rough with just one NIT berth. But it all turned with a blockbuster recruiting class led by five-star Brooklyn native Isaiah Whitehead. To land Whitehead, and ignite the program, Willard made an outside-the-box hire of Dwayne “Tiny” Morton as an assistant coach. 

Blessings to all in SJU family

 

[boo haarvey]

Perspective as to how long a HC might need before turning a program around - from NYPost article on Seton Hall’s departing coach:

The Long Island native, who worked for six years under Rick Pitino at Louisville, came to Seton Hall in 2010 after three seasons as the Iona coach. His first five years were rough with just one NIT berth. But it all turned with a blockbuster recruiting class led by five-star Brooklyn native Isaiah Whitehead. To land Whitehead, and ignite the program, Willard made an outside-the-box hire of Dwayne “Tiny” Morton as an assistant coach. 

Blessings to all in SJU family

For every Coach K and Kevin Willard,  there are 10 coaches who didn’t turn the ship around. It’s kind of  like finishing the regular season at the bottom of the league and saying you like our chances to win the Big East Tournament bc  GTown did it last year.  The fact is that GTown winning the Big East was an anomaly and that result  didn’t make it any more likely that SJU was going to win four games in four days this year.

Similarly, the fact that Coach K and Kevin Willard turned the ship around at their programs does not suggest that CMA is likely to do so.

I’ believe CMA deserves another year to succeed, but if we don’t make the tournament next year, he has to go.

 

[monte]

Perspective as to how long a HC might need before turning a program around - from NYPost article on Seton Hall’s departing coach:

The Long Island native, who worked for six years under Rick Pitino at Louisville, came to Seton Hall in 2010 after three seasons as the Iona coach. His first five years were rough with just one NIT berth. But it all turned with a blockbuster recruiting class led by five-star Brooklyn native Isaiah Whitehead. To land Whitehead, and ignite the program, Willard made an outside-the-box hire of Dwayne “Tiny” Morton as an assistant coach. 

Blessings to all in SJU family

Valid point SSG, just keep in mind that Willard did not have the transfer portal back then. So things took a lot longer then they do today. When you see what's gone on at Iowa St(from 2-22 to sweet 16) and elsewhere, there in no reason in the world why, with an experienced coach like CMA at the helm, it should take us 4-5 years to rebuild, and that's if we're lucky. Blessings to you as well. 

 

[redken]

... To land Whitehead, and ignite the program, Willard made an outside-the-box hire of Dwayne “Tiny” Morton as an assistant coach.... Blessings to all in SJU family

"Outside the box" or flat-out sleazy?

 

[salty dog]

Perspective as to how long a HC might need before turning a program around - from NYPost article on Seton Hall’s departing coach:

The Long Island native, who worked for six years under Rick Pitino at Louisville, came to Seton Hall in 2010 after three seasons as the Iona coach. His first five years were rough with just one NIT berth. But it all turned with a blockbuster recruiting class led by five-star Brooklyn native Isaiah Whitehead. To land Whitehead, and ignite the program, Willard made an outside-the-box hire of Dwayne “Tiny” Morton as an assistant coach. 


Yep Lavin thought he had him but wouldn’t hire Morton now Willard parlayed that sneaky move to a 24 million dollar contract

Blessings to all in SJU family

 

[usguard]

Boo,
I said it also,one more yr

 

[Alumni Hall]

We lacked continuity on the roster, only three players of significance came back from last years team for the season just completed. 
Champagne is going to go pro, Posh may transfer, Wusu who knows, and who knows whom else. It took 1/2 the year for Wheeler to become impact and 3/4  of the season for Soriano to get up to speed. Another roster turnover 3/4 of the season for the team to gel and what are we again an NIT bubble team ?

CMA is 62 and Tulsa is flirting with him big time, at present a mediocre Big East coach.

 And once again our beloved program is in a state of flux, so I ask the intelligentsia on Redmen.com who is the savior that is  going to walk through the doors of Alumni Hall and finally turn this around?

This has been the long standing excuse for why the program cant succeed. The reality is this.... at 2.5 million there are plenty of competent coaches out there who could be successful. Thats up to a competent AD (hopefully Cragg ???) to get him here. Just cause posters on this board don't know of anyone doesn't mean there isn't anyone out there. How do we know that a successful coach at another school isn't interested in making a change? Look at Tulsa and Anderson. It's the AD's job to make inquiries and not just from coaches who are out of work or recently fired. Not that this would happen....but take a coach like Bruce Pearl, established, successful... how do you know he may not entertain a change in scenery? How would you know if he would welcome a return to NYC unless you inquire. And thats what a coaching search should be all about, not one out of desperation done far too quickly like the last one. Whats the rush? A great find in a coach will find players to come in at any time. Look what Shaka did for Marquete. Of course this comes down to competency in an AD. Hopefully Cragg learned from his last search, a thing or two and does things the right way 
Let’s hope…

 

 

[Johnny Rapper]

Some important aspects of being a good coach at the D1 level are the following. 

1. The team performing at a mostly consistent high level.
2.  Adjusting your program to fit your personnel, not the other way around.
3.  Recruiting players of necessary ability and retaining those players or replenishing the roster when those players leave. 
4.  Making incremental progress (at the very least) from season to season. Although the nonsense about the necessary 4 to 5 year rebuild in these times is just that nonsense. 
5.  Making necessary strategic decisions when the game is on the line which puts the team in a position to win.

While there are many other aspects that go into a successful coach that I have not brought up, some in Anderson’s favor, others not so much, the ones listed above seem to be where he is  mostly deficient. Can some of these issues change, perhaps, but in his first three years there is no evidence of such. 

Since he is not going anywhere at this time, one can only hope such improvements come about, starting with roster replenishment with quality players. 

 

[we are sju]

Same problem with pretty much every coach since Loui, they don’t recruit to whatever system they want to run. Every coach just tries to grab the best available kids with no regard to how he fits. Which is why we never have an identity.
Ironically the best team we have had here was recruited by one coach and fit perfectly with the replacement 

 

[Mullins Revenge]

The problem is, with Wheeler and Champy gone, there is 0 chance St Johns makes the NCAA tourney next year.  I dont care who they bring in through the portal, theres just not enough talent on the team.

So now we are a year later and still in the same position we are in right now.

 

[SJUNC]

The problem is, with Wheeler and Champy gone, there is 0 chance St Johns makes the NCAA tourney next year.  I dont care who they bring in through the portal, theres just not enough talent on the team.

So now we are a year later and still in the same position we are in right now.

Hopefully this is a positive use of your "Mush" skills !

 

[Mean Gene]

The problem is, with Wheeler and Champy gone, there is 0 chance St Johns makes the NCAA tourney next year.  I dont care who they bring in through the portal, theres just not enough talent on the team.

So now we are a year later and still in the same position we are in right now.

I agree with you Duke as that is the situation right now. Due to these recent developments we have plenty of playing time available and will probably have 4 spots open on the roster to fill. I am willing to wait to see what the final roster for next season will look like before forming a definitive opinion on how good or bad the team will be. It’s not looking promising at the moment though.

 

[JohnnyFan]

Say what you want about Anderson, but he probably has the best reputation in NYC hoops circles of any SJU coach in quite some time. It appears that our current NYC kids are staying and others are transferring in. Having a coach that endears himself to power brokers in our own backyard has been a topic on this board for a long time. He must be doing something right on that front.

It might be as simple as hiring Van Macon, but hey....that's something right.