Boo Harvey post=460716 said:otis post=460714
——-redmen70 post=460706 said:We need 3 pt shooters at all positions and a strong center who can defend and get rebounds..Getting them is another problem.
On the positive side I believe center Joel Soriano, and his back ups Esahia Nyiwe, and O’Mar Stanley
showed positive progress during the later half of the Big East season.
Assuming all 3 return to the St. John’s team next year the center position should not for the first time in many seasons be a major concern.
Soriano and Nyiwe have improved. Stanley had a breakthrough game against Creighton but I haven’t seen much improvement out of him beyond that. Perhaps most problematic, I don’t think Soriano fits CMA’s style and I have concerns that he is not being utilized in a manner that maximizes his strengths. In any event, none of the three are world beaters and I think they will give us an average Big East front court next year at best. Put simply, we’re not riding the current front court to the Big Dance any time soon,
I think that trio is the strongest we've been upfront in a decade or more. With a season under their belt, they should be better. I think Stanley in particular (who reminds me alot of Ty Grant) could take a big step up next year.
Monte post=460729 said:Soriano has made some nice strides and should be a serviceable Big East big next season. As far as I'm concerned, what Stanley and especially Nyiwe can give us next season is still largely unknown. I'm not sold on the idea of these 3 carrying the load up front next season.
I'll bet you a beer that if we go in to next season with these 3 as our main low post players, that by Jan we'll be bitching and moaning about not having picked up any additional low post help. I'll tell you what, I'll even give you 2 beer to 1 odds and gladly buy you the 2 if I'm wrong. Provided you pick up dinner. Deal?lawmanfan post=460746 said:Monte post=460729 said:Soriano has made some nice strides and should be a serviceable Big East big next season. As far as I'm concerned, what Stanley and especially Nyiwe can give us next season is still largely unknown. I'm not sold on the idea of these 3 carrying the load up front next season.
I don't think I would be running the offense through them but if you have enough shooters elsewhere I don't think they prevent you from winning. Also all three are more productive now than they were at the beginning of the season, so even if all you forecast is incremental further progress you start off better at that spot next year than you started this year.
Don't get me wrong, if we unearth a 7 foot shot blocker who isn't pencil thin, can run the floor and dunk then sign me up. But I think we are OK with what we have if complemented by other pieces.
I will not take that bet. You are definitely right.Monte post=460750 said:I'll bet you a beer that by Jan we'll be bitching and moaning
Lol. This is a sucker bet. Is this still Redmen.com? The bitching and moaning will commence in August!austour post=460751 said:I will not take that bet. You are definitely right.Monte post=460750 said:
But are you sold on those three . . . and Traore!?!Monte post=460729 said:I'm not sold on the idea of these 3 carrying the load up front next season.
Who knows LJSA. Traore was redshirted in a year when we could have really used a quality big man, so I'm really tempering expectations with him. And unless I missed something, Awake hasn't committed. And even if he does, there's no way of knowing what he can give us. Way way way to many questions marks up front going in to next season, to feel confident in what we have.L J S A post=460782 said:But are you sold on those three . . . and Traore!?!Monte post=460729 said:I'm not sold on the idea of these 3 carrying the load up front next season.
Or those three, Traore . . . . and Awaka!?!
He's the only biggish man I know of who has talked to staff, which is why I mentioned him./media/kunena/emoticons/grin.pngMonte post=460788 said:And unless I missed something, Awake hasn't committed.L J S A post=460782 said:But are you sold on those three . . . and Traore!?!Monte post=460729 said:I'm not sold on the idea of these 3 carrying the load up front next season.
Or those three, Traore . . . . and Awaka!?!
Monte post=460750 said:I'll bet you a beer that if we go in to next season with these 3 as our main low post players, that by Jan we'll be bitching and moaning about not having picked up any additional low post help. I'll tell you what, I'll even give you 2 beer to 1 odds and gladly buy you the 2 if I'm wrong. Provided you pick up dinner. Deal?lawmanfan post=460746 said:Monte post=460729 said:Soriano has made some nice strides and should be a serviceable Big East big next season. As far as I'm concerned, what Stanley and especially Nyiwe can give us next season is still largely unknown. I'm not sold on the idea of these 3 carrying the load up front next season.
I don't think I would be running the offense through them but if you have enough shooters elsewhere I don't think they prevent you from winning. Also all three are more productive now than they were at the beginning of the season, so even if all you forecast is incremental further progress you start off better at that spot next year than you started this year.
Don't get me wrong, if we unearth a 7 foot shot blocker who isn't pencil thin, can run the floor and dunk then sign me up. But I think we are OK with what we have if complemented by other pieces.
So basically what you're saying is that we need all the existing players(sans Champ and Coburn) to not only return, but to take a nice leap forward, and we need our newcomers to be immediate contributors. I'll tell you what, I'll save you a few bucks on the fancy diner bet right now; send me a gift cert to your favorite Long Island diner and we'll call it a day. /media/kunena/emoticons/wink.pnglawmanfan post=460799 said:Monte post=460750 said:I'll bet you a beer that if we go in to next season with these 3 as our main low post players, that by Jan we'll be bitching and moaning about not having picked up any additional low post help. I'll tell you what, I'll even give you 2 beer to 1 odds and gladly buy you the 2 if I'm wrong. Provided you pick up dinner. Deal?lawmanfan post=460746 said:Monte post=460729 said:Soriano has made some nice strides and should be a serviceable Big East big next season. As far as I'm concerned, what Stanley and especially Nyiwe can give us next season is still largely unknown. I'm not sold on the idea of these 3 carrying the load up front next season.
I don't think I would be running the offense through them but if you have enough shooters elsewhere I don't think they prevent you from winning. Also all three are more productive now than they were at the beginning of the season, so even if all you forecast is incremental further progress you start off better at that spot next year than you started this year.
Don't get me wrong, if we unearth a 7 foot shot blocker who isn't pencil thin, can run the floor and dunk then sign me up. But I think we are OK with what we have if complemented by other pieces.
If the bigs next year are Soriano, Stanley, Nyiwe, Wheeler and Traore then I do not think "our frontcourt is killing us" will be the complaint if there is bitching and moaning. So we can make a date for January of 2023, I will pick up the dinner tab either way, the loser of a reasonable interpretation of that argument picks up the bar tab. Maher can be the tiebreaking vote if we disagree.
And as long as we are on the topic, assuming player retention (which is obviously a huge "if" in this day and age:
Posh, Pinzon, Wusu, Wheeler and Soriano for the starting 5
Storr, King, Stanley, Nyiwe, Traore off the bench
I'm not sure that won't be an improved offensive lineup if those are the starters, but it leaves the bench very thin for scoring and wings. So I wonder whether Storr starts and Wusu comes off the bench.
But looking at that lineup (again assuming retention) I think we are in better shape for ball handlers with Posh/Pinzon/King and decent size. But we will need Wheeler, Pinzon and Storr to light it up from deep.
Only if Mike Maher joins usAnd I already agreed to buy you dinner, all we're debating is the bar tab. Which of course may be more than the food...
He doesnt seem to understand how important spacing is on the offensive side of the ball. When you have a pg that cant shoot, you are already behind the 8 ball in regards to spacing. When you compound that by playing Wusu and Mathis for major minutes, its crippling to the offense.Roamer post=461085 said:So after watching most of the games this season in my opinion the criticism I have with CMA is that he uses the wrong line ups a lot of the times which has costed us games. I get he isn't on the floor shooting the ball but his line ups to me seem out of wack.