Anderson - is he really the guy ?

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RedStormNC post=460172 said:
I went to the Davidson game today. They played Fordham. Fordham not good but watching Neptune coach, you can see that he's already introducing a Nova type approach to what's on the floor. With better players, he'll do great things. Believe he landed a 4 star guard for next year.


If and when the Anderson era ends, Neptune would be right at top of my list.





 
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Dave LoRe post=460177 said:
Levell Sanders of Seton Hall is currently the coach of Binghamton.  He has limited resources there but is building something despite the Vermont behemoth. A name to file away.   I’ve been very impressed with him. 
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Coach Sanders attended Jamaica High School.  This is Coach Sanders first season as a ollege head coach. 

Binghamton is in 7th place in the 10 team American East Conference with a record of 11- 15 overall and 8- 9 in conference.



 
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I haven't watched Sanders, so can't comment on him specifically, but there are jobs out there that are so bad, a win might be equal to 1.5 or even 2 wins at a real program.

Neptune is probably the real deal. And his time line is such that he may be ready to move on to a program before Wright is ready to move to his summer home permanently.

Non-toxic big names don't want this job. So when CMA moves on, it might be someone like Neptune, or Sanders, or Rob Jones, guys who are having some success and/or may have future success and want to come home/stay home.
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We've had two assistants whose head coaching resumes were at their alma maters and both had horrible records there (Mahoney, Roberts)

Two mid majors who were fired and neither had success after (Fran, Jarvis)

Two with big conference experience whose prior job ended in firing (CMA, Lavin)

One with zero experience (Mullin)

The only reason someone with major conference success would come here is money, and lots of it.

To project Neptune as a major conference coach before he has success as a mid major is way premature.

I suspect that despite what our fans may feel, year 4 won't be a do or die year for CMA. Unless the bottom falls out or he quits, I wouldn't expect any changes in year 4 or 5 for that matter.

But if we are talking about wishes and not likelihood, I wish Tim Cluess gets well and is hired as associate head coach.
 
Beast - I'd take my chances on a guy who was an understudy of Jay Wright for 8 years and 2  national titles who improves an awful team like Fordham.

Neptune is 6-9 in conf (13-14) overall.  If their #1 player, Daye Jr.   a transfer averaging 17 ppg. did not abruptly lead team in mid Jan for personal reasons, Fordham may had had perhaps 10-11 conf wins and 17-18 wins overall by end of season.

Stuck w / Anderson for now, so hope he can fix what's broken this off season. I continue to have low expectations for next year but am hoping he can turn it around.

 
 
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RedStormNC post=460190 said:
Beast - I'd take my chances on a guy who was an understudy of Jay Wright for 8 years and 2  national titles who improves an awful team like Fordham.

Neptune is 6-9 in conf (13-14) overall.  If their #1 player, Daye Jr.   a transfer averaging 17 ppg. did not abruptly lead team in mid Jan for personal reasons, Fordham may had had perhaps 10-11 conf wins and 17-18 wins overall by end of season.

Stuck w / Anderson for now, so hope he can fix what's broken this off season. I continue to have low expectations for next year.



 
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I understand and agree that Neptune is a compelling guy to watch, but if the job was open today, he would not be a consideration.   Just consider that back in 1985 when Villanova won the national championship, assistants Mitch Buonogoro and Steve Lappas both eventually became head coaches.  Lappas returned to Villanova, after a stint at Manhattan, with limited success.   Buonogoro had head coaching jobs at Fairfield and Siena, and had a career record of 107-162.,    Jay Wright was Rollie's assistant from 1987-94, following Rollie to Las Vegas.

Considering Neptune at this moment in time is just a ridiculous consideration for a major conference program like ours.   If he is as good as some people here are advocating, perhaps if he has tremendous success at Fordham he would be a serious consideration when there is a vacancy here.   

In my opinion, it's just silly to speak of possible replacements at this point, because the coaching market is a lot like the MLB free agent market.   Candidates that seem great today may not be available when the position is open. If we drew up a short list of mid major guys who were hot 5 years ago, we'd likely find that most who move up to a major conference failed to have the same success.    Tough business.

TBH, like you my expectations always tend to be low.   I didn't believe this years team was a sure fire NCAA tourney team.  Consistently I said 10 or 11 wins, which would put us just on, or just off the bubble.   The big conference guys who transferred in had spotty resumes, and mid major transfers are always a crapshoot.   I still think that personnel wise we are better than last year, which was better than the year before.   We still have lots of work to do to bring in top of division talent.
 
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Binghamton had been dreadful for years.  Averaging less than 4 conference wins for the past 10 years. A complete joke in general.  What Sanders has done in his first season will easily put him in running for AE coach of year.  They are very well coached and have a clue in the offensive halfcourt.  The ball swings with surgical precision Villanova style.   Simply curious what he could do with Big East level talent.  
 
Beast - all good, but to consider it ridiculous for a major program, just look around the league and where many of coaches came from.
 
 
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RedStormNC post=460193 said:
Beast - all good, but to consider it ridiculous for a major program, just look around the league and where many of coaches came from.


 
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Has any major conference coach been hired after 1 season at a mid major where he had a losing record?   Certainly some assistants have been hired as head coach by major programs where they were assistants.   You likely know more than I do on this subject,  

In any event hiring any coach who has not had sustained success at a major conference college is a crap shoot.
 
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Kyle Neptune is just one of 11 members of the Jay Wright Coaching Tree
 
While past coaching performance is no guarantee of future coaching results, it is somewhat of an indicator. IMO both Fran and Jarvis, who had success at the mid major level, could have both been successful here if not for personal flaws. CMA over the long haul I believe will give us what he gave Arkansas. So an occasional top 25 appearance and a tourney appearance every 3 years or so. Obviously discounting the last 2 years here. IMO when the time comes, a successful mid major coach is the way to go. No guarantee he'll succeed, but believe that gives us the best shot of a successful hire. Having said that, CMA isn't going anywhere for a very very long time. If it took the school 6 years to replace Norm, CMA is here minimally for 6 years, and likely longer if we show even a modicum of success. So enjoy the talk of a coaching change if you like, but it ain't happening any time soon. 
 
Monte post=460199 said:
While past coaching performance is no guarantee of future coaching results, it is somewhat of an indicator. IMO both Fran and Jarvis, who had success at the mid major level, could have both been successful here if not for personal flaws. CMA over the long haul I believe will give us what he gave Arkansas. So an occasional top 25 appearance and a tourney appearance every 3 years or so. Obviously discounting the last 2 years here. IMO when the time comes, a successful mid major coach is the way to go. No guarantee he'll succeed, but believe that gives us the best shot of a successful hire. Having said that, CMA isn't going anywhere for a very very long time. If it took the school 6 years to replace Norm, CMA is here minimally for 6 years, and likely longer if we show even a modicum of success. So enjoy the talk of a coaching change if you like, but it ain't happening any time soon. 
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Agree 100% and given that there is zero danger of him embarrassing  the school he will be around for a while. That is why I refuse to partake in the next coach discussion because it is so premature. 
having said that this is a message board and if fellow posters wish to discuss future possible coaches it is their right todo so and purely out of interest I will follow the discussion. Interesting names certainly being put forward by members of the board, Kyle Neptune certainly being one. 
 
Lol Kyle Neptune.

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MainMan post=460201 said:
Lol Kyle Neptune.

Never underestimate Redmen.com for gazing at glass and thinking it’s a diamond.
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Maybe so, but I'm pretty sure all the 1985 Mullin poster boy lovers couldn't stop drooling when Mullin was named coach.
 
Let’s hope that after the season is completed, Mike Cragg and Coach Anderson sit down and do a full and complete review of the program.  
Plan a more challenging OOC schedule, discuss game strategy, recruiting, player and coaching personnel, and plan short term and long term facilities upgrades.  Needs to be a frank and open discussion.
Cragg needs to consider fan interest.  A full house every night needs to be the goal.  No empty seats.  Red Storm report from the start of the season with some over-the-air free TV shows.  A local radio station that we broadcast on.  Be NY’s team, don’t just say it.
 
If we are going to admire mid major local coaches Jared Grasso just led Bryan to the Northeast Conference Title.  He's 19-9, 16-2 in conference and won something like 13 of 14 games. 
 
Moose post=460205 said:
If we are going to admire mid major local coaches Jared Grasso just led Bryan to the Northeast Conference Title.  He's 19-9, 16-2 in conference and won something like 13 of 14 games. 


And Grasso has a reputation of being a very good recruiter
 
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Some of that stuff yes but some of that stuff no.  Some of the things you are describing are things you hire a coach specifically for, if the AD needs to go over how to handle late game situations with the HC or recruiting strategy then he probably shouldn't be the head coach.  Especially when you consider they hired a coach with 20 years of experience.  Why in the world are we treating him like he was a coach hired off of a MAAC staff?  Wasn't one of the main points in hiring Mike Anderson was that he had a solid track record of winning and making post-season tournaments?  Now we need the AD to go over recruiting and in game coaching with this coach in the off season?  Huh?

The AD is there to support the HC whenever he reasonably can.  Want to raise money for facilities upgrade?  Need help scheduling a home and home with a Power 5 program?  Need to re-shuffle staff and need more resources for the hires you want to make?

Then finally his job is to evaluate after every year.  Are we giving the support we need?  Is the coach moving the program in the right direction and is he the long term solution?  And if he is not where do we go for that solution?

JMHO.

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Let’s hope that after the season is completed, Mike Cragg and Coach Anderson sit down and do a full and complete review of the program.  
Plan a more challenging OOC schedule, discuss game strategy, recruiting, player and coaching personnel, and plan short term and long term facilities upgrades.  Needs to be a frank and open discussion.
Cragg needs to consider fan interest.  A full house every night needs to be the goal.  No empty seats.  Red Storm report from the start of the season with some over-the-air free TV shows.  A local radio station that we broadcast on.  Be NY’s team, don’t just say it.
 
IMO the weak OOC schedule was a direct result of all the defections from last season, and the uncertainty surrounding this season's roster. Hopefully we retain most of the kids from this season, and CMA feels more comfortable with a tougher OOC schedule for next season. 
 
The desertion of some much of last year’s roster is enough to put a light on the program this season.  The progression of the team over the season and the repeated failures in game play are reasons to examine this coach’s resume.  We do not have, and we may never have, the players to run Anderson’s systems.
Let’s simply the offense and defense.
 
Mike Cragg has volumes of information that he can study in deciding whether to bring back Anderson which I certainly think he will do and then how short of a leach is Anderson on next year. Some of the most valuable information would be from the players who left. We know they publicly stated they wanted more playing time which is pretty universal in the transfer portal but most of those who left were going to get reasonable minutes at SJU, SJU was not bringing in a stellar recruiting class, so was that the main reason.
It would also be interesting to find out their feelings on Anderson’s coaching abilities now that they had a year under other staffs.
 
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