Anderson - is he really the guy ?

[beast of the east]

This team does a great of sharing the basketball on offense with really nice passing and cutting to the hoop. It has gotten better as the season has gone on.

Not bad for a dinosaur. The game HAS passed him by. I saw it first hand as our guys flew past him for fast break layups.

 

[RedStormNC]

I may have stumbled upon something guys: When he doesn't win, he's not the guy . . . but when he does, he is!

I like how they played yesterday as well as vs. X, They deserve credit. I'll be glad to be wrong long term, but I still have same reservations on Anderson as I did when I started this wacky thread out of frustration after one of those brutal early season head scratchers.

If he cannot get us to tourney this year or next, iMO despite his never losing a season talking point, hard defense reputation and being a great guy he falls below Lavin and Mullin who despite all their flaws got there with the same inferior infrastructure. 

The prior coaches didn’t have nearly all the challenges the team had this year. Anderson has done a good job coaching these guys this year. At this point, he is the guy. 

Proud Alumn - you're clearly a great fan and an optimist. Love that but I don't think you'd really ever find a reason not to question.

Mullin had tons of challenges...First his own coaching deficiencies, lack of a center, a bench etc., underperformers, injuries etc.

You make it seem like Anderson is only coach this year who had to deal with Covid and or players getting hurt or not playing to their past performance or potential.

 

[beast of the east]

I may have stumbled upon something guys: When he doesn't win, he's not the guy . . . but when he does, he is!

I like how they played yesterday as well as vs. X, They deserve credit. I'll be glad to be wrong long term, but I still have same reservations on Anderson as I did when I started this wacky thread out of frustration after one of those brutal early season head scratchers.

If he cannot get us to tourney this year or next, iMO despite his never losing a season talking point, hard defense reputation and being a great guy he falls below Lavin and Mullin who despite all their flaws got there with the same inferior infrastructure. 

The prior coaches didn’t have nearly all the challenges the team had this year. Anderson has done a good job coaching these guys this year. At this point, he is the guy. 

Proud Alumn - you're clearly a great fan and an optimist. Love that but I don't think you'd really ever find a reason not to question.

Mullin had tons of challenges...First his own coaching deficiencies, lack of a center, a bench etc., underperformers, injuries etc.

You make it seem like Anderson is only coach this year who had to deal with Covid and or players getting hurt or not playing to their past performance or potential.

You are also a great fan and really good guy.

I don't see the point of questioning now when we've won 4 of 6, maybe 6 of 6 if we had Posh.

Plenty of time to complain about the wait in Disneyland after the ride is over.

 

[RedStormNC]

Fair Beast...

Maybe they win out... but were not at Disneyland...more like Adventureland in Farmingdale.  

Hoping for best but following their sequence of win one, lose two; win two, lose two... it will be interesting to see of we can break trends and ball out down the stretch.

 

[SLYFOXX1968]

Being the BB Coach at St John’s is like a daily commentary on the Dow, S& P and Nasdaq rolled into one .    The UPS and DOWNS are incessant .  Stocks , year to date , are down a lot .  Who do we blame ?  Biden, Putin , Trump, Pelosi , Trudeau ,  The Order doesn’t matter .    The Commentary on CMA is much the same .  Win a game and this Board is happy , lose a game and it’s doomsday .    It’s the same , pretty much for any College Coach .   Ewing has to be already filing UnEmployment papers . There will be more when the Season ends .   Cooley was thrown to the Wolves last year on friartown.com , even though he’s done a great job at PC . This year he’s a COY candidate . BE anyway .                     Jay Wright ?  Probably the only BE Coach beyond any criticism . Wrightfully Earned after the last 20 years .., 

 

[beast of the east]

Fair Beast...

Maybe they win out... but were not at Disneyland...more like Adventureland in Farmingdale.  

Hoping for best but following their sequence of win one, lose two; win two, lose two... it will be interesting to see of we can break trends and ball out down the stretch.

The times, they are a changing.   Disney costs a whole lot more for an afternoon than the average $12/game cost at CA.    We will see what we can build based on what donors are willing to pay for.   I know it is painful here here it over and over, but it's the correct response to the repetitive complaints about our school and program.    If enough money comes in, I'm pretty certain improvements to CA will occur - may we can charge a seat license for seat back chairs the way some sports teams charge a license.   

 

[bk8664]

I like the style of basketball that Anderson institutes here - it's fun the watch, and with some positive results, it should be easy to sell to potential recruits.
 

 

[paultzman]

I may have stumbled upon something guys: When he doesn't win, he's not the guy . . . but when he does, he is!

Duke of  Earlington took Drew Valentine off his speed dial list last night

 

[lawmanfan]

So after 138 pages, I think I have a handle on this thread:

Jermane Attoil, who is a "real fan": Anderson sucks, get him out!!!!!!

49% of posters: did we win last night?  Anderson is good, let's keep him. We lost last night? He sucks, get him out!

49% of posters: Anderson has his pluses and his minuses, he has a chance to break the long pattern of SJU failure, not entirely sure he's going to do it but it needs some more time before we can draw a definitive conclusion. 

Making Plays: I loved Anderson at Arkansas and I still do. 

Proud Alum: ANDERSON IS GOD.

Bonus poster: MainMan with snarky comments about all of the above. 

Any bets on whether the NEXT 138 pages deviate from that?

 

[bk8664]

So after 138 pages, I think I have a handle on this thread:

Jermane Attoil, who is a "real fan": Anderson sucks, get him out!!!!!!

49% of posters: did we win last night? A Anderson is good, let's keep him. We lost last night? He sucks, get him out!

49% of posters: Anderson has his pluses and his minuses, he has a chance to break the long pattern of SJU failure, not entirely sure he's going to do it but it needs some more time before we can draw a definitive conclusion. 

Making Plans: I loved Anderson at Arkansas and I still do. 

Proud Alum: ANDERSON IS GOD.

Bonus poster: MainMan with snarky comments about all of the above. 

Any bets on whether the NEXT 138 pages deviate from that?

Nope.  Until the results are either 100% clearly positive, or 100% negative, you'll keep on having same discussions. And that's ok. It comes with the territory. 

 

[monte]

Was Mullin the same coach when the team was on it's historic 11 game losing streak, as he was when they were on their historic winning streak that immediately followed? :
https://fivethirtyeight.com/feature...ely-hot-streak-in-college-basketball-history/

You bet your bottom dollar he was. Point being, a coach shouldn't be judged when his team is playing it's best ball or it's worst ball. He should be judged on his entire body of work. In CMA's case, his body of work is incomplete.  

 

[Johnny Rapper]

So after 138 pages, I think I have a handle on this thread:

Jermane Attoil, who is a "real fan": Anderson sucks, get him out!!!!!!

49% of posters: did we win last night? A Anderson is good, let's keep him. We lost last night? He sucks, get him out!

49% of posters: Anderson has his pluses and his minuses, he has a chance to break the long pattern of SJU failure, not entirely sure he's going to do it but it needs some more time before we can draw a definitive conclusion. 

Making Plans: I loved Anderson at Arkansas and I still do. 

Proud Alum: ANDERSON IS GOD.

Bonus poster: MainMan with snarky comments about all of the above. 

Any bets on whether the NEXT 138 pages deviate from that?

I never said Anderson “sucks”, but I don’t believe his style is conducive to todays college Basketball landscape. The annual “the team will jell by February” routine does not give much room to be successful and make post season play. But of course you’ll sensationalize your post to make points to those who you disagree with. 

 

[paultzman]

So after 138 pages, I think I have a handle on this thread:

Jermane Attoil, who is a "real fan": Anderson sucks, get him out!!!!!!

49% of posters: did we win last night? A Anderson is good, let's keep him. We lost last night? He sucks, get him out!

49% of posters: Anderson has his pluses and his minuses, he has a chance to break the long pattern of SJU failure, not entirely sure he's going to do it but it needs some more time before we can draw a definitive conclusion. 

Making Plans: I loved Anderson at Arkansas and I still do. 

Proud Alum: ANDERSON IS GOD.

Bonus poster: MainMan with snarky comments about all of the above. 

Any bets on whether the NEXT 138 pages deviate from that?

I never said Anderson “sucks”, but I don’t believe his style is conducive to todays college Basketball landscape. The annual “the team will jell by February” routine does not give much room to be successful and make post season play. But of course you’ll sensationalize your post to make points to those who you disagree with. 

“Real Fan” was better handle for you, although I can’t remember all the others.

 

[Johnny Rapper]

So after 138 pages, I think I have a handle on this thread:

Jermane Attoil, who is a "real fan": Anderson sucks, get him out!!!!!!

49% of posters: did we win last night? A Anderson is good, let's keep him. We lost last night? He sucks, get him out!

49% of posters: Anderson has his pluses and his minuses, he has a chance to break the long pattern of SJU failure, not entirely sure he's going to do it but it needs some more time before we can draw a definitive conclusion. 

Making Plans: I loved Anderson at Arkansas and I still do. 

Proud Alum: ANDERSON IS GOD.

Bonus poster: MainMan with snarky comments about all of the above. 

Any bets on whether the NEXT 138 pages deviate from that?

I never said Anderson “sucks”, but I don’t believe his style is conducive to todays college Basketball landscape. The annual “the team will jell by February” routine does not give much room to be successful and make post season play. But of course you’ll sensationalize your post to make points to those who you disagree with. 

“Real Fan” was better handle for you, although I can’t remember all the others.

Huh?

 

[Johnny Rapper]

This will be my last post for awhile as the attacks do get tiresome. But in all fairness, I will give Anderson credit for this. His implementation of a zone defense and his curtailing his full court pressure are two reasons for the teams recent success. . In the past the Helter skelter full court D allowed for many easy baskets on the other end and was the direct cause of a few losses. Now the full court pressure is meant more as a delay, with minimal disruption which allows the team to defend better.

In the past his refusal to go zone, especially prior to the emergence of our front court, put the team at a grave disadvantage in post defense. Now implementing a zone especially with long wings like Champ and Wheeler has been most effective and even does well against three point shooting. 

I have to believe he is listening more to his staff as he seemed pretty set in his ways for some time. Hopefully this continues. 

 

[mjmaherjr]

This will be my last post for awhile as the attacks do get tiresome. But in all fairness, I will give Anderson credit for this. His implementation of a zone defense and his curtailing his full court pressure are two reasons for the teams recent success. . In the past the Helter skelter full court D allowed for many easy baskets on the other end and was the direct cause of a few losses. Now the full court pressure is meant more as a delay, with minimal disruption which allows the team to defend better.

In the past his refusal to go zone, especially prior to the emergence of our front court, put the team at a grave disadvantage in post defense. Now implementing a zone especially with long wings like Champ and Wheeler has been most effective and even does well against three point shooting. 

I have to believe he is listening more to his staff as he seemed pretty set in his ways for some time. Hopefully this continues. 

That’s a very reasonable post

 

[SLYFOXX1968]

In addition to prior comments , CMA seems to have found that the Starting 5 of Posh, Champ, Wheeler , Soriano and Mathis is also the strongest 5 combination to play . Either at beginning or at end of close games . 

 

[jr49]

I do think it's worth mentioning that although Posh's injury has hurt this team, and although I do think he was a great addition to our team, his injury may need to be factored into CMA's recruiting. He was injured at the time of his recruitment and concerns over that caused his ranking to tumble. I'm unsure if this current injury is related to his high school injury(ies), so maybe I'm wrong about that, but seemed to be a genuine concern back then and maybe it will end up being one throughout his St. John's career.

Again, not saying he wasn't a great pickup. He was. I'm just saying that this may have been somewhat predictable and we should have a solid backup in place.

Believe he broke his wrist in HS. This is an ankle injury.

Posh throws his body all over the court. Ya tink is easy for a little guy grabbing O boards and putting it back in against giants? Ya like when he gets a mid court steal and makes and gets the two or leaves it for a mate. Its. not his fault we were left without a backup. With injurys he's a great player  with the numbers to show it. We lose 2 at home without him, win at x-men on road with him. Posh is the guy on this team, and will be as long as he's here. You said he was a great plck-up so you knew all that. sorry, did not seem to be brash but I love the kid.
 

 

[austour]

 The annual “the team will jell by February” routine does not give much room to be successful and make post season play.
 

I want to see him return more than 3 of his own guys next year and get off to a better start purely due to continuity.  If Stef, Coburn and Justin are the only non returnees next year's team will be far better November through January than this year's team IMHO.  If there is any kind of significant roster turnover I will start to lose my patience.

 

[ras]

Furthermore gelling in Feb is not good enough , the NCAA looks at the whole body of work. Don’t want your back against the wall in Feb, like we presently are. We may be able to dig ourselves out of the hole , but  it’s  going to be very hard.