Anderson - is he really the guy ?

I don’t know if it was said on this thread or another, but, I think another poster said it best. Maybe Cragg views CMA as a placeholder coach until he can raise some money and start to enact some of his plans. Cragg probably knows he’s not getting a better coach with a stellar reputation as a person to come here and stabilize things considering the state of the program and facilities etc. So, he’ll just ride CMA for as long as he has to knowing that at least he has a professional coach and staff in there and hope for the best results possible. 
 
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Mean Gene post=452500 said:
I don’t know if it was said on this thread or another, but, I think another poster said it best. Maybe Cragg views CMA as a placeholder coach until he can raise some money and start to enact some of his plans. Cragg probably knows he’s not getting a better coach with a stellar reputation as a person to come here and stabilize things considering the state of the program and facilities etc. So, he’ll just ride CMA for as long as he has to knowing that at least he has a professional coach and staff in there and hope for the best results possible. 
I'd be that poster with the "placeholder" theory 
 
I have nothing but respect for Cragg and feel for him in the position he is now in. He probably could have had ten better opportunities and now he is the head of a floundering program going nowhere but down. 
Im sure when he took the job he didn’t think over two years would go by and he can’t even come up with a reasonable plan of improvements. He has watched Xavier, Marquette and Conn all move up to where they may enter the Vill world and SJU just continues its slide down. 
 
Monte post=452501 said:
Mean Gene post=452500 said:
I don’t know if it was said on this thread or another, but, I think another poster said it best. Maybe Cragg views CMA as a placeholder coach until he can raise some money and start to enact some of his plans. Cragg probably knows he’s not getting a better coach with a stellar reputation as a person to come here and stabilize things considering the state of the program and facilities etc. So, he’ll just ride CMA for as long as he has to knowing that at least he has a professional coach and staff in there and hope for the best results possible. 
I'd be that poster with the "placeholder" theory 

Very insightful observation Monte Sir. I believe that could very well be the case. That’s why CMA got his extension, so at least it helps with recruiting and stabilizes things. Also, Cragg knows this will take a few years. This is why CMA job is in absolutely no danger.
 
I also wonder if there is no Dance ticket this year or next, highly probable, would Mike opt to retire and move back south. Perhaps the aggravation may even trump the healthy salary at that point in his life. 

 
 
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Mean Gene post=452504 said:
Monte post=452501 said:
Mean Gene post=452500 said:
I don’t know if it was said on this thread or another, but, I think another poster said it best. Maybe Cragg views CMA as a placeholder coach until he can raise some money and start to enact some of his plans. Cragg probably knows he’s not getting a better coach with a stellar reputation as a person to come here and stabilize things considering the state of the program and facilities etc. So, he’ll just ride CMA for as long as he has to knowing that at least he has a professional coach and staff in there and hope for the best results possible. 
I'd be that poster with the "placeholder" theory 

Very insightful observation Monte Sir. I believe that could very well be the case. That’s why CMA got his extension, so at least it helps with recruiting and stabilizes things. Also, Cragg knows this will take a few years. This is why CMA job is in absolutely no danger.
I agree with this. The coaching search was going badly, we got turned down by Cragg’s first two targets, it seemed disorganized and he was taking lots of heat and criticism, and at that point Anderson was the safe choice. If Anderson had the same success here that he did at Missouri and Arkansas then the fan base would be ok.  Not thrilled but feeling better. Unfortunately Anderson is doing an awful job this season and the fan base is fed up. 
 
Paultzman post=452507 said:
I also wonder if there is no Dance ticket this year or next, highly probable, would Mike opt to retire and move back south. Perhaps the aggravation may even trump the healthy salary at that point in his life. 

Wishful thinking may be my go to move at this point. :)
Being a coach in a transfer portal world isnt for everyone 
 
Proud Alumn post=452509 said:
Mean Gene post=452504 said:
Monte post=452501 said:
Mean Gene post=452500 said:
I don’t know if it was said on this thread or another, but, I think another poster said it best. Maybe Cragg views CMA as a placeholder coach until he can raise some money and start to enact some of his plans. Cragg probably knows he’s not getting a better coach with a stellar reputation as a person to come here and stabilize things considering the state of the program and facilities etc. So, he’ll just ride CMA for as long as he has to knowing that at least he has a professional coach and staff in there and hope for the best results possible. 
I'd be that poster with the "placeholder" theory 

Very insightful observation Monte Sir. I believe that could very well be the case. That’s why CMA got his extension, so at least it helps with recruiting and stabilizes things. Also, Cragg knows this will take a few years. This is why CMA job is in absolutely no danger.
I agree with this. The coaching search was going badly, we got turned down by Cragg’s first two targets, it seemed disorganized and he was taking lots of heat and criticism, and at that point Anderson was the safe choice. If Anderson had the same success here that he did at Missouri and Arkansas then the fan base would be ok.  Not thrilled but feeling better. Unfortunately Anderson is doing an awful job this season and the fan base is fed up. 


Agreed Alum, I think we all have to come to the realization that CMA is here for the foreseeable future regardless. So, let’s just root for the team and root for him and staff to turn it around.
 
CMAs recruits this year have given us nothing.  Pinzon is MIA and should medical redshirt at this point.  Stanley is an ok backup player.  Drissa wasnt good enough to get playing time and redshirted.

How can that be the recruiting class in his 3rd year here?  

Honest question.  Is that the worst recruiting class out of the power conferences?  It has to be.
 
sjc88 post=452478 said:
My problem is, I like Mike Anderson. I think he is a good person and a good representative of the University.

But here’s the bigger problem. Where’s the accountability? Yesterday, after the game, he stated that the team is “not as far along” as it should be. The obvious question is why not? Who needs to make that happen? Him? The Assistant Coaches? Who? During the game St. John’s players threw the ball up numerous times at the basket with zero chance of going in! They are not shots. They’re the equivalent of a turnover. Even the guy announcing the game mentioned this. Yet, if this upset Anderson I couldn’t tell. The same players remained in the game and in the rotation. I could target other areas like the non existent interior defense including the repeated failure to take away the baseline. How many times can we give up wide open 3s? We did this right before the half, coming out of a timeout (!). Who got lost? Surely the coaches talked about switching off a quick screen? 

Maybe this is happening and I just don’t see it. However, the same mistakes are happening over and over again. Improvements? Lessons learned? If anything the team is regressing.
I never understand what fans expect a coaches to say after a loss.  He has two choices, he can start throwing players under the bus or he can make excuses.  Most coaches go with excuse route.  CMA excuse is he has 9 new players and they aren't where he wants them to be.  Is it bullshit?  Absolutely, it's January, but the only other thing he could do is start arguing with the media (see Penny Hardaway) or start throwing his players under the bus, but that's just a bad look, only slimballs like Calapari and Bruce Pearl throw kids under the bus after losses.  

For all the talk of what ain't going right and why they aren't where they need to be, if they just simply make wide open layups yesterday they win this game by a healthy margin.  I counted Wusu missing 6 layups, Champ missing 2 layups, Posh missing 3 layups, Soriano missing 1 layup, and Wheeler missing 2 layups.  Somebody correct me if I'm wrong on those numbers, but I'm pretty sure my count is close.  Wusu may have broken a record of most shots missed at the rim in a single game, and like 3 of those weren't even contested.  

Also, this is premature, but for those that are saying CMA can't be fired, they said the same thing at Arkansas.  He signed an extension the year before he was fired.  Those extensions don't mean crap, they are mostly for recruiting purposes, it's hard for coaches to recruit if they are operating with only 1 or 2 years left on their contract.   If a school really wants to make a change they'll find the buyout money and most of the time they know with a coach like CMA he'll find another job, so they won't even end up having to come off that much.  No coach is ever safe.  No tournament this year or next year and he'll be gone, and I say that as a supporter of CMA.  This is a win now business.



 
 
Paultzman post=452507 said:
I also wonder if there is no Dance ticket this year or next, highly probable, would Mike opt to retire and move back south. Perhaps the aggravation may even trump the healthy salary at that point in his life. 

Wishful thinking may be my go to move at this point. :)
Paultz you have now completely crossed over to the dark side lol. IMO CMA isn't going anywhere unless it's by mutual consent. Don't see that happening while the school is still working on a plan with a clear vision. My best hope is that CMA gets us through the next few years, and by rhat point Cragg etc not only have a plan in place, but that plan has been implemented. At that point, we have more money, better facilities, etc, and have more coaching options available to us. Or maybe, OTOH, I'm giving the school way too much credit and am completely off base. 
 
I'm not a psychic but I've been around long enough to see when it's prolonging the inevitable.

CMA has 5 years left after this year.  The extension took him through the 26-27 season.  If 3 years go by (don't want to hear Covid excuse) and you aren't dancing you are just prolonging the inevitable.  You run into the same cadence we seemed to have with Lavin as well.  Good one year, mediocre to middling for 3 then good again.  Only to press reset button again.  College hoops is not built for that anymore.  You CAN change fortunes of a team in one offseason with the new rules.

Some might say this isn't pro sports and in pro sports more than ever coaches are being fired after 3, 2, even 1 year.  It's a business and if people can't see that I don't know what to tell them.  To me if you can't dance in 3 years you should be let go.  Especially when it doesn't take a fortune teller to see next year the squad will be quite different.

All I can hope is the extension created some flexibility contractually.  Because if they can't dance and you're pressing the reset button in Year 4 I then ask what's the point?
 
Making Plays post=452532 said:
sjc88 post=452478 said:
My problem is, I like Mike Anderson. I think he is a good person and a good representative of the University.

But here’s the bigger problem. Where’s the accountability? Yesterday, after the game, he stated that the team is “not as far along” as it should be. The obvious question is why not? Who needs to make that happen? Him? The Assistant Coaches? Who? During the game St. John’s players threw the ball up numerous times at the basket with zero chance of going in! They are not shots. They’re the equivalent of a turnover. Even the guy announcing the game mentioned this. Yet, if this upset Anderson I couldn’t tell. The same players remained in the game and in the rotation. I could target other areas like the non existent interior defense including the repeated failure to take away the baseline. How many times can we give up wide open 3s? We did this right before the half, coming out of a timeout (!). Who got lost? Surely the coaches talked about switching off a quick screen? 

Maybe this is happening and I just don’t see it. However, the same mistakes are happening over and over again. Improvements? Lessons learned? If anything the team is regressing.
I never understand what fans expect a coaches to say after a loss.  He has two choices, he can start throwing players under the bus or he can make excuses.  Most coaches go with excuse route.  CMA excuse is he has 9 new players and they aren't where he wants them to be.  Is it bullshit?  Absolutely, it's January, but the only other thing he could do is start arguing with the media (see Penny Hardaway) or start throwing his players under the bus, but that's just a bad look, only slimballs like Calapari and Bruce Pearl throw kids under the bus after losses.  

For all the talk of what ain't going right and why they aren't where they need to be, if they just simply make wide open layups yesterday they win this game by a healthy margin.  I counted Wusu missing 6 layups, Champ missing 2 layups, Posh missing 3 layups, Soriano missing 1 layup, and Wheeler missing 2 layups.  Somebody correct me if I'm wrong on those numbers, but I'm pretty sure my count is close.  Wusu may have broken a record of most shots missed at the rim in a single game, and like 3 of those weren't even contested.  

Also, this is premature, but for those that are saying CMA can't be fired, they said the same thing at Arkansas.  He signed an extension the year before he was fired.  Those extensions don't mean crap, they are mostly for recruiting purposes, it's hard for coaches to recruit if they are operating with only 1 or 2 years left on their contract.   If a school really wants to make a change they'll find the buyout money and most of the time they know with a coach like CMA he'll find another job, so they won't even end up having to come off that much.  No coach is ever safe.  No tournament this year or next year and he'll be gone, and I say that as a supporter of CMA.  This is a win now business.




 
Spot on MP. Many on this board right up to the last minute said Lavin wasn't going anywhere, Mullin wasn't going anywhere then out of nowhere poof they gone. Heck at Christmas time the Giants and specifically owner John Mara said unequivocally that Joe Judge was getting a third year and after two more losses he was fired. Truth is nobody on this board or heck nobody period knows what the future holds for CMA and that includes both sides in the equation. One caveat to my statement-I have to admit that maybe Monte knows (LOL).
 
bamafan post=452537 said:
Making Plays post=452532 said:
sjc88 post=452478 said:
My problem is, I like Mike Anderson. I think he is a good person and a good representative of the University.

But here’s the bigger problem. Where’s the accountability? Yesterday, after the game, he stated that the team is “not as far along” as it should be. The obvious question is why not? Who needs to make that happen? Him? The Assistant Coaches? Who? During the game St. John’s players threw the ball up numerous times at the basket with zero chance of going in! They are not shots. They’re the equivalent of a turnover. Even the guy announcing the game mentioned this. Yet, if this upset Anderson I couldn’t tell. The same players remained in the game and in the rotation. I could target other areas like the non existent interior defense including the repeated failure to take away the baseline. How many times can we give up wide open 3s? We did this right before the half, coming out of a timeout (!). Who got lost? Surely the coaches talked about switching off a quick screen? 

Maybe this is happening and I just don’t see it. However, the same mistakes are happening over and over again. Improvements? Lessons learned? If anything the team is regressing.
I never understand what fans expect a coaches to say after a loss.  He has two choices, he can start throwing players under the bus or he can make excuses.  Most coaches go with excuse route.  CMA excuse is he has 9 new players and they aren't where he wants them to be.  Is it bullshit?  Absolutely, it's January, but the only other thing he could do is start arguing with the media (see Penny Hardaway) or start throwing his players under the bus, but that's just a bad look, only slimballs like Calapari and Bruce Pearl throw kids under the bus after losses.  

For all the talk of what ain't going right and why they aren't where they need to be, if they just simply make wide open layups yesterday they win this game by a healthy margin.  I counted Wusu missing 6 layups, Champ missing 2 layups, Posh missing 3 layups, Soriano missing 1 layup, and Wheeler missing 2 layups.  Somebody correct me if I'm wrong on those numbers, but I'm pretty sure my count is close.  Wusu may have broken a record of most shots missed at the rim in a single game, and like 3 of those weren't even contested.  

Also, this is premature, but for those that are saying CMA can't be fired, they said the same thing at Arkansas.  He signed an extension the year before he was fired.  Those extensions don't mean crap, they are mostly for recruiting purposes, it's hard for coaches to recruit if they are operating with only 1 or 2 years left on their contract.   If a school really wants to make a change they'll find the buyout money and most of the time they know with a coach like CMA he'll find another job, so they won't even end up having to come off that much.  No coach is ever safe.  No tournament this year or next year and he'll be gone, and I say that as a supporter of CMA.  This is a win now business.





 
Spot on MP. Many on this board right up to the last minute said Lavin wasn't going anywhere, Mullin wasn't going anywhere then out of nowhere poof they gone. Heck at Christmas time the Giants and specifically owner John Mara said unequivocally that Joe Judge was getting a third year and after two more losses he was fired. Truth is nobody on this board or heck nobody period knows what the future holds for CMA and that includes both sides in the equation. One caveat to my statement-I have to admit that maybe Monte knows (LOL).
Maybe???? 
 
Outside of a home game against butler, I dont know if we win another game.  I see this team finishing the regular season at 11-19 or 12-18.

Would Anderson survive a season like that?
 
I’d like to hear the real reasons behind the mass exodus after last season.  It took me by surprise.
 
This may have been said before, but with the extension, CMA basically got his security set up for his retirement. His motivation is gone. Like pro players getting big contract after free agent year. At this point, it feels like he is going through the motions and letting the game just happen. He's not local so feels even more disconnected from us. I hate to say it but i'm souring on him. 
 
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Making Plays post=452532 said:
sjc88 post=452478 said:
My problem is, I like Mike Anderson. I think he is a good person and a good representative of the University.

But here’s the bigger problem. Where’s the accountability? Yesterday, after the game, he stated that the team is “not as far along” as it should be. The obvious question is why not? Who needs to make that happen? Him? The Assistant Coaches? Who? During the game St. John’s players threw the ball up numerous times at the basket with zero chance of going in! They are not shots. They’re the equivalent of a turnover. Even the guy announcing the game mentioned this. Yet, if this upset Anderson I couldn’t tell. The same players remained in the game and in the rotation. I could target other areas like the non existent interior defense including the repeated failure to take away the baseline. How many times can we give up wide open 3s? We did this right before the half, coming out of a timeout (!). Who got lost? Surely the coaches talked about switching off a quick screen? 

Maybe this is happening and I just don’t see it. However, the same mistakes are happening over and over again. Improvements? Lessons learned? If anything the team is regressing.
I never understand what fans expect a coaches to say after a loss.  He has two choices, he can start throwing players under the bus or he can make excuses.  Most coaches go with excuse route.  CMA excuse is he has 9 new players and they aren't where he wants them to be.  Is it bullshit?  Absolutely, it's January, but the only other thing he could do is start arguing with the media (see Penny Hardaway) or start throwing his players under the bus, but that's just a bad look, only slimballs like Calapari and Bruce Pearl throw kids under the bus after losses.  

For all the talk of what ain't going right and why they aren't where they need to be, if they just simply make wide open layups yesterday they win this game by a healthy margin.  I counted Wusu missing 6 layups, Champ missing 2 layups, Posh missing 3 layups, Soriano missing 1 layup, and Wheeler missing 2 layups.  Somebody correct me if I'm wrong on those numbers, but I'm pretty sure my count is close.  Wusu may have broken a record of most shots missed at the rim in a single game, and like 3 of those weren't even contested.  

Also, this is premature, but for those that are saying CMA can't be fired, they said the same thing at Arkansas.  He signed an extension the year before he was fired.  Those extensions don't mean crap, they are mostly for recruiting purposes, it's hard for coaches to recruit if they are operating with only 1 or 2 years left on their contract.   If a school really wants to make a change they'll find the buyout money and most of the time they know with a coach like CMA he'll find another job, so they won't even end up having to come off that much.  No coach is ever safe.  No tournament this year or next year and he'll be gone, and I say that as a supporter of CMA.  This is a win now business.

Actually there is a third choice…he can say this is on ME..not the players. I did a poor job preparing, poor job coaching…he can take the blame and stop making EXCUSES. Every program has Covid absences, every program has injuries, every program has to deal with the portal and transfers, every program has travel problems with weather and equipment. At least Lavin and Mullin took the blame themselves many times after defeats.
If he can take the credit for last season and his COY, then he can take some of these Losses we are seeing.




 
 
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Duke of Earlington post=452540 said:
Outside of a home game against butler, I dont know if we win another game.  I see this team finishing the regular season at 11-19 or 12-18.

Would Anderson survive a season like that?
Duke we're not a very good team, as we all know, but we're also not as bad as we've looked recently. We'll win a few games against better teams simply because we're just good enough, we'll get hot a few games and/or our comp will go cold. Possibly even starting tomorrow.
 
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