Anderson - is he really the guy ?

[beast of the east]

Not sure how this turned into a Lavin/Mullin thread, but here's my two cents - which I said at the time.

Lavin had three 20-win seasons - two with his own players.  I expect that his last two teams, which won 20 and 21 games (I believe) is where we would have been with him most years.  The most talented of those two teams missed the Dance, a huge underperformance in my opinion.  Lavin was a good face of the program, good with the media, and on the whole he recruited well (although he took some chances at the end).  Had he been extended, it would not have been the worst decision.

Let's say most years with Lavin would have been around 20 to 22 wins, on the bubble, make the Dance a fair amount and never be a factor.  Is that terrible? Say a 21-11 record most years and around .500 in the Big East and we're seeded between 8-10.  We rarely win a game in the Dance.

Let's be fair - that's not terrible.  We'd probably all take that kind of record for this season the way things look right now.

But it's not great either. I think the St. John's powers that be felt that they could do better.  They obviously felt that bringing back Chris Mullin, the Crown Prince of St. John's basketball, could spark a renaissance and get us where we want to go.

I'll admit that I was excited to have Mullin come back as coach.  I'm a total Mullin fanboy - since I was playing HS hoops on Long Island while Mullin was at St. John's.  He was the man, pure and simple.

It didn't work out for him at St. John's - for a number of reasons which have been well documented.

In my opinion, we now have a coach who is far better than both Lavin and Mullin - so things probably ended up working up the way they should have.

Both the Lavin and Mullin hire generated a lot of interest and spiked ticket sales right away. Lavin's first season got us a decent bump in season ticket sales before we 0layed our first game, and Mullin's presser at CA drew about 2500 people alone. CMA was virtually unknown in New York and not on our radar until referred to sju during the search. No question we are in better hands with CMA as coach but his presence won't attract fans the way Lavin and Mullin did.

That's not to suggest that either should have been retained but makes the CMA years a costlier proposition in that respect.

 

[bucketshardy]

Wow- just caught up on this thread- real insightful stuff- thanks for those with intel.

Would be a solid Netflix series with some of the events described lol. 

 

[Knight]

I’m thinking-NOT.

 

[RedStormNC]

Providence showing tells me we need a coach who can get players, very good ones.. not one trying to coach too many of lower talent up.

We'll be mediocre, at best, for a while unless things change talent wise.

 

[shamsman2]

Providence showing tells me we need a coach who can get players, very good ones.. not one trying to coach too many of lower talent up.

We'll be mediocre, at best, for a while unless things change talent wise.

I don't believe Posh or Champ scored in the last 10 minutes of the game, hard too win when your 2 first team BE players, go cold.
 

 

[shamsman2]

Providence showing tells me we need a coach who can get players, very good ones.. not one trying to coach too many of lower talent up.

We'll be mediocre, at best, for a while unless things change talent wise.

I don't believe Posh or Champ scored in the last 10 minutes of the game, hard too win when your 2 first team BE players, go cold.
 

 

[Mean Gene]

Providence showing tells me we need a coach who can get players, very good ones.. not one trying to coach too many of lower talent up.

We'll be mediocre, at best, for a while unless things change talent wise.

We have Storr coming in who seems like a talent but CMA needs to hit the transfer portal hard after this season and bring in some real improved talent otherwise next season will just be a repeat of this season.

 

[jr49]

Providence showing tells me we need a coach who can get players, very good ones.. not one trying to coach too many of lower talent up.

We'll be mediocre, at best, for a while unless things change talent wise.

I don't believe Posh or Champ scored in the last 10 minutes of the game, hard too win when your 2 first team BE players, go cold.
We cant score if we cant run. To many guys trying for the block when they should be blocking out. They do not protect the rim. Champ gets free for a good shot when the other team is chaseing. No box out, no protect the rim, no wins.

 

[RedStormNC]

Providence showing tells me we need a coach who can get players, very good ones.. not one trying to coach too many of lower talent up.

We'll be mediocre, at best, for a while unless things change talent wise.

We have Storr coming in who seems like a talent but CMA needs to hit the transfer portal hard after this season and bring in some real improved talent otherwise next season will just be a repeat of this season.

I dont think he'll do any better in transfer portal than he did this year.

Next season will likely be a struggle.

Won't happen, but can only hope he decides to retire early and move back to Arkansas.

 

[Mullins Revenge]

If we dont make the tourney this year, which we wont, Mike A will be on the hot seat.

And then if we dont make it next year, can you really bring back a coach who hasnt made the tourney in 4 years?

 

[classof2010]

He’s not the guy! Our guy is Coaching in New Rochelle. Because our donors are incompetent will never have a great coach.

 

[RedStormNC]

If we dont make the tourney this year, which we wont, Mike A will be on the hot seat.

And then if we dont make it next year, can you really bring back a coach who hasnt made the tourney in 4 years?

Admin is dusting off the Norm Roberts "playbook" on how to proceed on coaching timeline.

 

[Spocky Ramone]

If we dont make the tourney this year, which we wont, Mike A will be on the hot seat.

And then if we dont make it next year, can you really bring back a coach who hasnt made the tourney in 4 years?

Admin is dusting off the Norm Roberts "playbook" on how to proceed on coaching timeline.

Phase One: Fire up the “Next Coach” thread on Redmen.com

 

[NCJohnnie]

If we don't make the dance this year, it will be a genuinely disappointing season, the first in CMA's time here. Agree that if that happens, he will be under a lot of pressure to make it next year. But it's way too early to speculate how next year will go. There are a lot of senior laden Big East teams this year so who knows how good they'll be next year. Assuming we return Posh, Wusu, Soriano, Pinzon, Stanley, Nyiwe, possibly Wheeler as I believe he has another year of eligibility, add Storrr & King, we are one difference maker away from a decent team. But who knows how many of those guys return these days so kind of pointless to speculate imho. .  

 

[Spocky Ramone]

If we dont make the tourney this year, which we wont, Mike A will be on the hot seat.

And then if we dont make it next year, can you really bring back a coach who hasnt made the tourney in 4 years?

Admin is dusting off the Norm Roberts "playbook" on how to proceed on coaching timeline.

Phase One: Fire up the “Next Coach” thread on Redmen.com

Phase Two: Compile list of easy-get coaches, aka major program coaches on the hot seat or smaller school coaches with lackluster records (see Doh, Hewitt, Jones).  Ask “how much would we have to pay ASU?”

 

[mjmaherjr]

If we dont make the tourney this year, which we wont, Mike A will be on the hot seat.

And then if we dont make it next year, can you really bring back a coach who hasnt made the tourney in 4 years?

Admin is dusting off the Norm Roberts "playbook" on how to proceed on coaching timeline.

Phase One: Fire up the “Next Coach” thread on Redmen.com

Phase Two: Compile list of easy-get coaches, aka major program coaches on the hot seat or smaller school coaches with lackluster records (see Doh, Hewitt, Jones).  Ask “how much would we have to pay ASU?”

Dont forget to add Pat Kennedy

 

[Spocky Ramone]

If we dont make the tourney this year, which we wont, Mike A will be on the hot seat.

And then if we dont make it next year, can you really bring back a coach who hasnt made the tourney in 4 years?

Admin is dusting off the Norm Roberts "playbook" on how to proceed on coaching timeline.

Phase One: Fire up the “Next Coach” thread on Redmen.com

Phase Two: Compile list of easy-get coaches, aka major program coaches on the hot seat or smaller school coaches with lackluster records (see Doh, Hewitt, Jones).  Ask “how much would we have to pay ASU?”

Phase Three: compile list of unrealistic hires (Donovan, Iba, Callipari) for that “we aimed high (but fell short)” vibe 

 

[Spocky Ramone]

If we dont make the tourney this year, which we wont, Mike A will be on the hot seat.

And then if we dont make it next year, can you really bring back a coach who hasnt made the tourney in 4 years?

Admin is dusting off the Norm Roberts "playbook" on how to proceed on coaching timeline.

Phase One: Fire up the “Next Coach” thread on Redmen.com

Phase Two: Compile list of easy-get coaches, aka major program coaches on the hot seat or smaller school coaches with lackluster records (see Doh, Hewitt, Jones).  Ask “how much would we have to pay ASU?”

Dont forget to add Pat Kennedy

MJM for the win!

 

[Mean Gene]

If we go 7-13 or less in conference, which think is a reasonably fair assumption, then CMA will not have a winning record this year and we can stop hearing that nonsense. Unless he brings in some top flight transfers to go along with Storr he will not make the tournament next season either and might not have a winning record again. I think then he will officially be on the hot seat. But, unfortunately, for us as fans of the program, that’s what we’ll have to go through before we can have any hope of seeing a coaching change. 

 

[monte]

Bottom line; now more than ever, a HC needs to be a really good salesman. Not a BS artist, but a salesman. At the very least, he needs a good salesman on his staff. Not only to get talented kids, but to retain kids. You guys can blame the transfer market, handlers, the instant gratification generation, etc for the fact that there's so much turnover, not just here but elsewhere, but at the end of the day there are still going to be coaches who thrive in this new era, and those who don't. We'll know soon enough which category CMA falls in to.