Anderson - is he really the guy ?
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NCJohnnie post=445333 said:
I’m not ready to say they won’t make either. The way it stands now though , they are going to have to go 12-8 in conference with 3 or 4 of those wins being against the ranked teams in the conference plus win a couple in the Big East Tournament. This is the position they have put themselves in. Can they do it?
I was so depressed after last nights game I dropped $400 on NCAA Basketball Championship futures just to have few other teams to root for this season and come tournament time.
beast of the east
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Mahoney deserves a little statue at least because Looie left a bare cupboard and Brian won with it. Maybe a bobblehead next to Looie's statueNCJohnnie post=445333 said:
Agree totally Rehobie. This team lacks fundamentals (boxing out, pick and role, back door, offensive schemes, inbound plays), enough talent from the transfers and in game coaching. Without more talent and better coaching we should not expect better results. This team is hard to watch.
Ray Morgan
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Nine months from being named Big East COY. 5 and 2 with both losses as underdogs. A nearly entire new roster and 2 returnees banged up. And some on this board want to send the coach packing? Tough crowd here. Kansas is a monster team. You can't change the coach like day old underwear. You just end up with a fresh pair that you are ready to dump in the laundry the next morning.
Saratoga may be the graveyard of favorites. but St. John's is certainly the graveyard of coaches. Maybe it's not the coaches that are the problem.
Saratoga may be the graveyard of favorites. but St. John's is certainly the graveyard of coaches. Maybe it's not the coaches that are the problem.
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L J S A
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You would think that people would have at least waited to see if we lost to one of the remaining teams on the nonconference schedule before calling for his head and not immediately after losing to a blueblood that wins 30+ games every year./media/kunena/emoticons/grin.pngRay Morgan post=445380 said:
Ljsa"You would think that people would have at least waited to see if we lost to one of the remaining teams on the nonconference schedule before calling for his head and not immediately after losing to a blueblood that wins 30+ games every year.
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I could definitely see them losing to Fordham tonight.
They don't rebound, see see on the Mathis miss in the 2nd half? As he shoots a ku guard comes running in and gets an easy rebound, no sju player even tried. I make a disgusted face saying wtf is this crap. I really hope Mike isn't losing his guys.
How many turnovers did they have?
Mike better call a team meeting or do something.
If sju lose tonight things can start going south real fast.
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I could definitely see them losing to Fordham tonight.
They don't rebound, see see on the Mathis miss in the 2nd half? As he shoots a ku guard comes running in and gets an easy rebound, no sju player even tried. I make a disgusted face saying wtf is this crap. I really hope Mike isn't losing his guys.
How many turnovers did they have?
Mike better call a team meeting or do something.
If sju lose tonight things can start going south real fast.
not really sure that people are serious when calling for his head other than the usual suspects who only crawl out when things are not going well, but rather fans expressing concern that against the last 3 cupcakes we played uninspired Bball, in that we were sloppy, lazy, poor défense, ill advised shots, poor passing and perhaps most importantly we went from a team that had a deep bench to a team that has little to no production from its bench. Our strength has become a big weakness. It is not that we lost to a blue bad but rather that our last 4 games have all been poor performances.L J S A post=445382 said:
for me all of these factors are of a serious concern in what was hyped up as a big and important season.
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Patience. Patience. Patience.
Let coach coach, players play, and we root.
Let coach coach, players play, and we root.
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Our record is what it should be right now. So there's that silver lining. Calls for CMA's head are born out of frustration over how the team has played, along with concerns over the make up of the roster, last year's departures, the lack of high level recruiting, and a few other things. All legit concerns IMO. It's also born out of 20+ years of sufferering. I get all of that. Having said that, CMA has shown that he can coach and has gotten his last 2 teams to overachieve. He's owed the benefit of the doubt for the time being. Calls for his firing are way premature. Gotta at least see how this season plays out, and go from there.
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I always will but just answering as to why some fans seem to be in panic mode. CMA has always shown his teams improve as time goes on and hoping this season is not an aberration but there is certainly reason to be concerned from where we sit. Hoping to see a team with a sense of urgency come out determined to play good ball from the tip-off and not wait to dig themselves out of a hole and let an inferior team hang around. I would like to see a complete 40 minutes of solid Bball as we prepare for BE play.Beast of the East post=445391 said:
I hate to burst the bubble to those who claim "we're playing down to the level of the comp". No, right now we are close to the same level of team as those so-called "cupcakes" that we struggled with. More talent, no doubt, but not much better as a team. Hopefully that changes starting tonight.redmannorth post=445393 said:
Mullins Revenge
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Is anyone calling for his head? Im certainly not right now. But if we have a subpar showing in big east play and are not selected for the ncaa tourney, we all should be calling for his head.
QueensBall
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Agree that any calls for Anderson departure seem very premature and reactive to the moment. A year ago we were all proud of him winning BE Coach of the Year and happy about how he’s gotten his teams to outperform expectations the first two seasons. Now he finally has a team with real expectations but some aren’t sure he should be here 7 games into the season? We lost to KANSAS. By all accounts the guy is a great role model & his first couple of teams have played harder than any other St Johns in recent memory. That certainly hasn’t been the case early on in this season but I’m inclined to trust him to right the ship for the time being.
The concerns people have are all valid and I share most of them. The OOC schedule sucks and they should stop defending it. The transfers are really underwhelming so far. The front court players are especially disappointing. I don’t really want Wheeler on the court taking jumpers unless there’s foul trouble. I actually really like the way Soriano looks on offense sometimes but he’s a disaster defensively and there’s no excuse for him being weak on the boards.
This team is not a good team right now because of turnovers & rebounding (more so than shooting IMO) Can’t give away possessions and give teams 2nd chances on their possessions. Champ & Posh are talented enough to ride to a bunch of Big East wins but not if the team doesn’t fix those two issues. They will destroy the season. That falls squarely on Anderson because rebounding & turnovers are primarily about effort & discipline.
The good news is we haven’t actually lost any of those underwhelming games against the cupcakes yet. We have in the past. That’s really important. I’m nervous they’ll drop one of them if they don’t get it together but seasons are long and most team’s seasons (except for Final Four types) tend to be roller coasters. This is the first time Anderson has been heavily criticized since arriving. Let’s see if he can turn it around. I have a feeling that if we can tiptoe through the rest of this OOC without any major dings and win a couple of Conference games in a row this board will be singing Anderson’s praises again.
The concerns people have are all valid and I share most of them. The OOC schedule sucks and they should stop defending it. The transfers are really underwhelming so far. The front court players are especially disappointing. I don’t really want Wheeler on the court taking jumpers unless there’s foul trouble. I actually really like the way Soriano looks on offense sometimes but he’s a disaster defensively and there’s no excuse for him being weak on the boards.
This team is not a good team right now because of turnovers & rebounding (more so than shooting IMO) Can’t give away possessions and give teams 2nd chances on their possessions. Champ & Posh are talented enough to ride to a bunch of Big East wins but not if the team doesn’t fix those two issues. They will destroy the season. That falls squarely on Anderson because rebounding & turnovers are primarily about effort & discipline.
The good news is we haven’t actually lost any of those underwhelming games against the cupcakes yet. We have in the past. That’s really important. I’m nervous they’ll drop one of them if they don’t get it together but seasons are long and most team’s seasons (except for Final Four types) tend to be roller coasters. This is the first time Anderson has been heavily criticized since arriving. Let’s see if he can turn it around. I have a feeling that if we can tiptoe through the rest of this OOC without any major dings and win a couple of Conference games in a row this board will be singing Anderson’s praises again.
MarkRedman
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Did anyone really expect us to win at Indiana or beat Kansas with a practically new team? Not me!!! Monte is 100% right. Our record is what we should have expected it to be at this point. At least we haven't had a brain fart yet against a "lower level" opponent as we have had in past years.
It drives me nuts when posters are calling for CMA's demise whenever we lose a game. We essentially have a brand new team. Relax. Have patience. It's going to take time for this team to jell. Thank goodness we still have a little more time before league season begins. Here's hoping that the new guys settle in and that the team gets it together before the Big East schedule is upon us.
It drives me nuts when posters are calling for CMA's demise whenever we lose a game. We essentially have a brand new team. Relax. Have patience. It's going to take time for this team to jell. Thank goodness we still have a little more time before league season begins. Here's hoping that the new guys settle in and that the team gets it together before the Big East schedule is upon us.
No matter what happens on the court this year a coaching change cannot even be considered. I can't imagine it would be. Coaches all over the country at all levels were running away from this job after Mullin was fired. It came down to CMA, James Jones, and Paul Hewitt. Paul Hewitt!
At some point you need to pick a guy, give him time, and see what he can do. Time is six or seven years. I know 20 years. I know - we are mostly old men here (I know I am.) Well, SJU can't worry about that as unlike us they intend to be a going concern without an expiration date. Changing coaches every few years, how is that working out?
Imagine the interview process if they fired CMA. I'm not pining for the Dave Leito press conference.
Be careful what you wish for.
At some point you need to pick a guy, give him time, and see what he can do. Time is six or seven years. I know 20 years. I know - we are mostly old men here (I know I am.) Well, SJU can't worry about that as unlike us they intend to be a going concern without an expiration date. Changing coaches every few years, how is that working out?
Imagine the interview process if they fired CMA. I'm not pining for the Dave Leito press conference.
Be careful what you wish for.
Ageee with you MR. The only thing I'll say is that having patience would be much easier if we all felt confident that the newcomers can be significant contributors at this level, given time. To date, we haven't even seen the newcomers contribute much against lower level teams, with the exception of some flashes here and there. In any event, we'll have the answers to the questions soon enough.MarkRedman post=445401 said:
Coach Anderson will never be fired by St John’s . He might retire before or at the end of his Contract . There is a lot of $$$ involved for him and the School to do anything crazy .