Amir Garrett Speaks Out
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[quote="Monte" post=396640][quote="Room112" post=396639][quote="Monte" post=396626][quote="austour" post=396624][quote="Monte" post=396614][quote="austour" post=396587]
I listened to the quote in question and he not only said it but he said it with disdain. Tom Brennaman should be hired by a company that does not have a problem being associated with homophobia and anti-gay positions.
If he loses his job it's just because his present employers don't fit that description. It could be a moral stance or it could be an economic decision because hiring him and presenting him to the nation tarnishes their brand. That's up to them.[/quote]
He used the word "Fag" so that automatically makes him "anti-gay"? Because you know what's in his heart? So everytine someone uttered the word "WOP" we can assume they're anti-Italian? What little I know of you, not at all surprised by your assumptions and position. Needless to say, I couldn't disagree more. But then again, I tend to be more "tolerant" then most of those who profess to be.[/quote]
First it seems like you still didn't listen to the quote. He obviously was saying "fag cities" as a derogatory term. So maybe he dislikes "fag cities" but likes "fags"? Highly unlikely. You seem to jump to the defense of most who use offensive language so like you I also am not surprised by your position.
Second, you don't seem to understand why Fox has fired him. He represents their brand. I have no doubt he has used that term and a lot more in private. That's his right, he wouldn't be in my social circle but I doubt he'd want to be. But when he says it in front of say a million viewers while representing Fox they have to decide if that type of language does damage to a brand they spend billions trying to build. And, at least in the case of their sports division, this is not an affiliation that will be long term positive for their brand and therefore their revenue. That's why THEY made the decision. I wasn't screaming for his head. I honestly don't care. I was simply predicting he would be fired and that he should hope to be hired by a company that feels this association would be a positive for them. Maybe the church? OAN? Anyway.
I do speak in public or at industry events representing my employer. If I did the same on a live mic in public I would definitely expect to be fired. It would make it very hard to do my job in the future based on the demographics of our audience and target market.[/quote]
I did listen to the quote. Not good. And i know why FOX fired him: the cancel culture at work again. People have been fired for a lot less. I said that I expected he'd be fired, since its all about the $$$. I also said that I didn't think that he should be fired. I'm not condoning his words, but unlike you I'm not making assumptions about him. He said something bad when he thought he was off mic. Lots of people say stupid and bad crap. Lots of people use derogatory terms, sometimes in jest and sometimes out of anger. He apologized profusely. IMO he should have been suspended and kept his job. Never realized how many people on this board live in glass houses.[/quote]
Our of curiosity, what type of person do you think could make comments like this while working at their job and not expect to be fired?[/quote]
Not sure you mean by "what type of person". If you're trying to goad me, nice try. The guy said something bad while he thought he was off mic. Same as it he was sitting in his living room. He F'ed up royally. He apologized profusely. A suspension is what I think is fair punishment. Not sure how much clearer I can be.[/quote]
Sorry my wording was off. The point I was trying to make was, I'm curious which jobs a person could make a comment like that while on the job and expect to keep their job. Even say if you were in your office, and thought nobody was around, and someone overheard you. The person is likely going to be fired.
Just thought I should add. I'm not calling for him to be fired. I wholly agree cancel culture has gone too far. But I would like to see him atone for his mistake and keep his job.
I listened to the quote in question and he not only said it but he said it with disdain. Tom Brennaman should be hired by a company that does not have a problem being associated with homophobia and anti-gay positions.
If he loses his job it's just because his present employers don't fit that description. It could be a moral stance or it could be an economic decision because hiring him and presenting him to the nation tarnishes their brand. That's up to them.[/quote]
He used the word "Fag" so that automatically makes him "anti-gay"? Because you know what's in his heart? So everytine someone uttered the word "WOP" we can assume they're anti-Italian? What little I know of you, not at all surprised by your assumptions and position. Needless to say, I couldn't disagree more. But then again, I tend to be more "tolerant" then most of those who profess to be.[/quote]
First it seems like you still didn't listen to the quote. He obviously was saying "fag cities" as a derogatory term. So maybe he dislikes "fag cities" but likes "fags"? Highly unlikely. You seem to jump to the defense of most who use offensive language so like you I also am not surprised by your position.
Second, you don't seem to understand why Fox has fired him. He represents their brand. I have no doubt he has used that term and a lot more in private. That's his right, he wouldn't be in my social circle but I doubt he'd want to be. But when he says it in front of say a million viewers while representing Fox they have to decide if that type of language does damage to a brand they spend billions trying to build. And, at least in the case of their sports division, this is not an affiliation that will be long term positive for their brand and therefore their revenue. That's why THEY made the decision. I wasn't screaming for his head. I honestly don't care. I was simply predicting he would be fired and that he should hope to be hired by a company that feels this association would be a positive for them. Maybe the church? OAN? Anyway.
I do speak in public or at industry events representing my employer. If I did the same on a live mic in public I would definitely expect to be fired. It would make it very hard to do my job in the future based on the demographics of our audience and target market.[/quote]
I did listen to the quote. Not good. And i know why FOX fired him: the cancel culture at work again. People have been fired for a lot less. I said that I expected he'd be fired, since its all about the $$$. I also said that I didn't think that he should be fired. I'm not condoning his words, but unlike you I'm not making assumptions about him. He said something bad when he thought he was off mic. Lots of people say stupid and bad crap. Lots of people use derogatory terms, sometimes in jest and sometimes out of anger. He apologized profusely. IMO he should have been suspended and kept his job. Never realized how many people on this board live in glass houses.[/quote]
Our of curiosity, what type of person do you think could make comments like this while working at their job and not expect to be fired?[/quote]
Not sure you mean by "what type of person". If you're trying to goad me, nice try. The guy said something bad while he thought he was off mic. Same as it he was sitting in his living room. He F'ed up royally. He apologized profusely. A suspension is what I think is fair punishment. Not sure how much clearer I can be.[/quote]
Sorry my wording was off. The point I was trying to make was, I'm curious which jobs a person could make a comment like that while on the job and expect to keep their job. Even say if you were in your office, and thought nobody was around, and someone overheard you. The person is likely going to be fired.
Just thought I should add. I'm not calling for him to be fired. I wholly agree cancel culture has gone too far. But I would like to see him atone for his mistake and keep his job.
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[quote="Monte" post=396645][quote="Tonyinfairfield " post=396641][quote="Monte" post=396626][quote="austour" post=396624][quote="Monte" post=396614][quote="austour" post=396587]
I listened to the quote in question and he not only said it but he said it with disdain. Tom Brennaman should be hired by a company that does not have a problem being associated with homophobia and anti-gay positions.
If he loses his job it's just because his present employers don't fit that description. It could be a moral stance or it could be an economic decision because hiring him and presenting him to the nation tarnishes their brand. That's up to them.[/quote]
He used the word "Fag" so that automatically makes him "anti-gay"? Because you know what's in his heart? So everytine someone uttered the word "WOP" we can assume they're anti-Italian? What little I know of you, not at all surprised by your assumptions and position. Needless to say, I couldn't disagree more. But then again, I tend to be more "tolerant" then most of those who profess to be.[/quote]
First it seems like you still didn't listen to the quote. He obviously was saying "fag cities" as a derogatory term. So maybe he dislikes "fag cities" but likes "fags"? Highly unlikely. You seem to jump to the defense of most who use offensive language so like you I also am not surprised by your position.
Second, you don't seem to understand why Fox has fired him. He represents their brand. I have no doubt he has used that term and a lot more in private. That's his right, he wouldn't be in my social circle but I doubt he'd want to be. But when he says it in front of say a million viewers while representing Fox they have to decide if that type of language does damage to a brand they spend billions trying to build. And, at least in the case of their sports division, this is not an affiliation that will be long term positive for their brand and therefore their revenue. That's why THEY made the decision. I wasn't screaming for his head. I honestly don't care. I was simply predicting he would be fired and that he should hope to be hired by a company that feels this association would be a positive for them. Maybe the church? OAN? Anyway.
I do speak in public or at industry events representing my employer. If I did the same on a live mic in public I would definitely expect to be fired. It would make it very hard to do my job in the future based on the demographics of our audience and target market.[/quote]
I did listen to the quote. Not good. And i know why FOX fired him: the cancel culture at work again. People have been fired for a lot less. I said that I expected he'd be fired, since its all about the $$$. I also said that I didn't think that he should be fired. I'm not condoning his words, but unlike you I'm not making assumptions about him. He said something bad when he thought he was off mic. Lots of people say stupid and bad crap. Lots of people use derogatory terms, sometimes in jest and sometimes out of anger. He apologized profusely. IMO he should have been suspended and kept his job. Never realized how many people on this board live in glass houses.[/quote]
First, someone being fired for making a clearly derogatory term based on someone’s (or in this case, a whole city’s) sexuality is not the cancel culture at work.
Second, we don’t have to make assumptions about him. We all heard what he said. That was not an assumption; it was a specific behavior. A behavior which is totally unacceptable today.
Third, did you hear his whole apology? He stopped during his apology to call a home run by a Reds player and give the score. That did not sound like a sincere apology to me. It sounded like a distraction from him calling the game.
Finally, even when people use a derogatory term in jest, one really doesn’t know how other people will react to it, unless they tell you. Best not to use a derogatory term, such as a homophobic slur, at all.
Cancel culture? No. It’s about consequences for one’s behavior.[/quote]
Right, so I assume you disown every single person that you've ever known who's made a similar derogatory remark. You either have very few friends, or a lot of friends who walk a damn straight line. Once again, because some of you are twisting my words to fit your narrative; what he said was bad, very bad. He should he punished. He should not be fired IMO. And it it weren't for the "cancel culture" of today, IMO he probably wouldn't have been fired.
Note all the "IMO"s.[/quote]
Arguing “whataboutism” is not effective. So, just because others have said or done things and gotten away with them means that Brennamann should get away with it too.
I listened to the quote in question and he not only said it but he said it with disdain. Tom Brennaman should be hired by a company that does not have a problem being associated with homophobia and anti-gay positions.
If he loses his job it's just because his present employers don't fit that description. It could be a moral stance or it could be an economic decision because hiring him and presenting him to the nation tarnishes their brand. That's up to them.[/quote]
He used the word "Fag" so that automatically makes him "anti-gay"? Because you know what's in his heart? So everytine someone uttered the word "WOP" we can assume they're anti-Italian? What little I know of you, not at all surprised by your assumptions and position. Needless to say, I couldn't disagree more. But then again, I tend to be more "tolerant" then most of those who profess to be.[/quote]
First it seems like you still didn't listen to the quote. He obviously was saying "fag cities" as a derogatory term. So maybe he dislikes "fag cities" but likes "fags"? Highly unlikely. You seem to jump to the defense of most who use offensive language so like you I also am not surprised by your position.
Second, you don't seem to understand why Fox has fired him. He represents their brand. I have no doubt he has used that term and a lot more in private. That's his right, he wouldn't be in my social circle but I doubt he'd want to be. But when he says it in front of say a million viewers while representing Fox they have to decide if that type of language does damage to a brand they spend billions trying to build. And, at least in the case of their sports division, this is not an affiliation that will be long term positive for their brand and therefore their revenue. That's why THEY made the decision. I wasn't screaming for his head. I honestly don't care. I was simply predicting he would be fired and that he should hope to be hired by a company that feels this association would be a positive for them. Maybe the church? OAN? Anyway.
I do speak in public or at industry events representing my employer. If I did the same on a live mic in public I would definitely expect to be fired. It would make it very hard to do my job in the future based on the demographics of our audience and target market.[/quote]
I did listen to the quote. Not good. And i know why FOX fired him: the cancel culture at work again. People have been fired for a lot less. I said that I expected he'd be fired, since its all about the $$$. I also said that I didn't think that he should be fired. I'm not condoning his words, but unlike you I'm not making assumptions about him. He said something bad when he thought he was off mic. Lots of people say stupid and bad crap. Lots of people use derogatory terms, sometimes in jest and sometimes out of anger. He apologized profusely. IMO he should have been suspended and kept his job. Never realized how many people on this board live in glass houses.[/quote]
First, someone being fired for making a clearly derogatory term based on someone’s (or in this case, a whole city’s) sexuality is not the cancel culture at work.
Second, we don’t have to make assumptions about him. We all heard what he said. That was not an assumption; it was a specific behavior. A behavior which is totally unacceptable today.
Third, did you hear his whole apology? He stopped during his apology to call a home run by a Reds player and give the score. That did not sound like a sincere apology to me. It sounded like a distraction from him calling the game.
Finally, even when people use a derogatory term in jest, one really doesn’t know how other people will react to it, unless they tell you. Best not to use a derogatory term, such as a homophobic slur, at all.
Cancel culture? No. It’s about consequences for one’s behavior.[/quote]
Right, so I assume you disown every single person that you've ever known who's made a similar derogatory remark. You either have very few friends, or a lot of friends who walk a damn straight line. Once again, because some of you are twisting my words to fit your narrative; what he said was bad, very bad. He should he punished. He should not be fired IMO. And it it weren't for the "cancel culture" of today, IMO he probably wouldn't have been fired.
Note all the "IMO"s.[/quote]
Arguing “whataboutism” is not effective. So, just because others have said or done things and gotten away with them means that Brennamann should get away with it too.
[quote="Beast of the East" post=396651]In our holier than thought sensibilities, we are I guess rightfully quick to condemn the utterance.
It sounds like something Archie Bunker would declare in the 70s, "well meathead, we got these fag cities in San Francisco, Greenwich Village. Key West. It's where your friend Roger should go to be a pansy."
That caricature that Caroll O'Connor played helped show a generation how absurd biases were , and what we saw when we looked in the mirror.
Fact is though, is that all of us could have guessed where he meant, but his contemptuous tone is out of place.
Let's not forget just a few years ago when asked if he would welcome the first openly gay nba player into his locker room, Lebron James replied, "I wouldn't be comfortable with that. " james got a pass for that and is now a strong voice in the nba. We've come a long way.
Stupid comment from an announcer off air, but on the Mel Gibson or Alec Baldwin scale of bias rants, it was maybe a 2.
Mercy goes a long way towards creating tolerance.[/quote]
I guess we’ll just have to disagree on the scale of the bias as I think it is far more than a 2.
I’m all for mercy and tolerance. At the same time I’m all for atonement and consequences.
It sounds like something Archie Bunker would declare in the 70s, "well meathead, we got these fag cities in San Francisco, Greenwich Village. Key West. It's where your friend Roger should go to be a pansy."
That caricature that Caroll O'Connor played helped show a generation how absurd biases were , and what we saw when we looked in the mirror.
Fact is though, is that all of us could have guessed where he meant, but his contemptuous tone is out of place.
Let's not forget just a few years ago when asked if he would welcome the first openly gay nba player into his locker room, Lebron James replied, "I wouldn't be comfortable with that. " james got a pass for that and is now a strong voice in the nba. We've come a long way.
Stupid comment from an announcer off air, but on the Mel Gibson or Alec Baldwin scale of bias rants, it was maybe a 2.
Mercy goes a long way towards creating tolerance.[/quote]
I guess we’ll just have to disagree on the scale of the bias as I think it is far more than a 2.
I’m all for mercy and tolerance. At the same time I’m all for atonement and consequences.
[quote="Tonyinfairfield " post=396657][quote="Monte" post=396645][quote="Tonyinfairfield " post=396641][quote="Monte" post=396626][quote="austour" post=396624][quote="Monte" post=396614][quote="austour" post=396587]
I listened to the quote in question and he not only said it but he said it with disdain. Tom Brennaman should be hired by a company that does not have a problem being associated with homophobia and anti-gay positions.
If he loses his job it's just because his present employers don't fit that description. It could be a moral stance or it could be an economic decision because hiring him and presenting him to the nation tarnishes their brand. That's up to them.[/quote]
He used the word "Fag" so that automatically makes him "anti-gay"? Because you know what's in his heart? So everytine someone uttered the word "WOP" we can assume they're anti-Italian? What little I know of you, not at all surprised by your assumptions and position. Needless to say, I couldn't disagree more. But then again, I tend to be more "tolerant" then most of those who profess to be.[/quote]
First it seems like you still didn't listen to the quote. He obviously was saying "fag cities" as a derogatory term. So maybe he dislikes "fag cities" but likes "fags"? Highly unlikely. You seem to jump to the defense of most who use offensive language so like you I also am not surprised by your position.
Second, you don't seem to understand why Fox has fired him. He represents their brand. I have no doubt he has used that term and a lot more in private. That's his right, he wouldn't be in my social circle but I doubt he'd want to be. But when he says it in front of say a million viewers while representing Fox they have to decide if that type of language does damage to a brand they spend billions trying to build. And, at least in the case of their sports division, this is not an affiliation that will be long term positive for their brand and therefore their revenue. That's why THEY made the decision. I wasn't screaming for his head. I honestly don't care. I was simply predicting he would be fired and that he should hope to be hired by a company that feels this association would be a positive for them. Maybe the church? OAN? Anyway.
I do speak in public or at industry events representing my employer. If I did the same on a live mic in public I would definitely expect to be fired. It would make it very hard to do my job in the future based on the demographics of our audience and target market.[/quote]
I did listen to the quote. Not good. And i know why FOX fired him: the cancel culture at work again. People have been fired for a lot less. I said that I expected he'd be fired, since its all about the $$$. I also said that I didn't think that he should be fired. I'm not condoning his words, but unlike you I'm not making assumptions about him. He said something bad when he thought he was off mic. Lots of people say stupid and bad crap. Lots of people use derogatory terms, sometimes in jest and sometimes out of anger. He apologized profusely. IMO he should have been suspended and kept his job. Never realized how many people on this board live in glass houses.[/quote]
First, someone being fired for making a clearly derogatory term based on someone’s (or in this case, a whole city’s) sexuality is not the cancel culture at work.
Second, we don’t have to make assumptions about him. We all heard what he said. That was not an assumption; it was a specific behavior. A behavior which is totally unacceptable today.
Third, did you hear his whole apology? He stopped during his apology to call a home run by a Reds player and give the score. That did not sound like a sincere apology to me. It sounded like a distraction from him calling the game.
Finally, even when people use a derogatory term in jest, one really doesn’t know how other people will react to it, unless they tell you. Best not to use a derogatory term, such as a homophobic slur, at all.
Cancel culture? No. It’s about consequences for one’s behavior.[/quote]
Right, so I assume you disown every single person that you've ever known who's made a similar derogatory remark. You either have very few friends, or a lot of friends who walk a damn straight line. Once again, because some of you are twisting my words to fit your narrative; what he said was bad, very bad. He should he punished. He should not be fired IMO. And it it weren't for the "cancel culture" of today, IMO he probably wouldn't have been fired.
Note all the "IMO"s.[/quote]
Arguing “whataboutism” is not effective. So, just because others have said or done things and gotten away with them means that Brennamann should get away with it too.[/quote]
Again Tony, you are twisting my words to suite your arwuement. I did not say "he should get away with it". I said "he should be suspended".
I listened to the quote in question and he not only said it but he said it with disdain. Tom Brennaman should be hired by a company that does not have a problem being associated with homophobia and anti-gay positions.
If he loses his job it's just because his present employers don't fit that description. It could be a moral stance or it could be an economic decision because hiring him and presenting him to the nation tarnishes their brand. That's up to them.[/quote]
He used the word "Fag" so that automatically makes him "anti-gay"? Because you know what's in his heart? So everytine someone uttered the word "WOP" we can assume they're anti-Italian? What little I know of you, not at all surprised by your assumptions and position. Needless to say, I couldn't disagree more. But then again, I tend to be more "tolerant" then most of those who profess to be.[/quote]
First it seems like you still didn't listen to the quote. He obviously was saying "fag cities" as a derogatory term. So maybe he dislikes "fag cities" but likes "fags"? Highly unlikely. You seem to jump to the defense of most who use offensive language so like you I also am not surprised by your position.
Second, you don't seem to understand why Fox has fired him. He represents their brand. I have no doubt he has used that term and a lot more in private. That's his right, he wouldn't be in my social circle but I doubt he'd want to be. But when he says it in front of say a million viewers while representing Fox they have to decide if that type of language does damage to a brand they spend billions trying to build. And, at least in the case of their sports division, this is not an affiliation that will be long term positive for their brand and therefore their revenue. That's why THEY made the decision. I wasn't screaming for his head. I honestly don't care. I was simply predicting he would be fired and that he should hope to be hired by a company that feels this association would be a positive for them. Maybe the church? OAN? Anyway.
I do speak in public or at industry events representing my employer. If I did the same on a live mic in public I would definitely expect to be fired. It would make it very hard to do my job in the future based on the demographics of our audience and target market.[/quote]
I did listen to the quote. Not good. And i know why FOX fired him: the cancel culture at work again. People have been fired for a lot less. I said that I expected he'd be fired, since its all about the $$$. I also said that I didn't think that he should be fired. I'm not condoning his words, but unlike you I'm not making assumptions about him. He said something bad when he thought he was off mic. Lots of people say stupid and bad crap. Lots of people use derogatory terms, sometimes in jest and sometimes out of anger. He apologized profusely. IMO he should have been suspended and kept his job. Never realized how many people on this board live in glass houses.[/quote]
First, someone being fired for making a clearly derogatory term based on someone’s (or in this case, a whole city’s) sexuality is not the cancel culture at work.
Second, we don’t have to make assumptions about him. We all heard what he said. That was not an assumption; it was a specific behavior. A behavior which is totally unacceptable today.
Third, did you hear his whole apology? He stopped during his apology to call a home run by a Reds player and give the score. That did not sound like a sincere apology to me. It sounded like a distraction from him calling the game.
Finally, even when people use a derogatory term in jest, one really doesn’t know how other people will react to it, unless they tell you. Best not to use a derogatory term, such as a homophobic slur, at all.
Cancel culture? No. It’s about consequences for one’s behavior.[/quote]
Right, so I assume you disown every single person that you've ever known who's made a similar derogatory remark. You either have very few friends, or a lot of friends who walk a damn straight line. Once again, because some of you are twisting my words to fit your narrative; what he said was bad, very bad. He should he punished. He should not be fired IMO. And it it weren't for the "cancel culture" of today, IMO he probably wouldn't have been fired.
Note all the "IMO"s.[/quote]
Arguing “whataboutism” is not effective. So, just because others have said or done things and gotten away with them means that Brennamann should get away with it too.[/quote]
Again Tony, you are twisting my words to suite your arwuement. I did not say "he should get away with it". I said "he should be suspended".
[quote="Room112" post=396656][quote="Monte" post=396640][quote="Room112" post=396639][quote="Monte" post=396626][quote="austour" post=396624][quote="Monte" post=396614][quote="austour" post=396587]
I listened to the quote in question and he not only said it but he said it with disdain. Tom Brennaman should be hired by a company that does not have a problem being associated with homophobia and anti-gay positions.
If he loses his job it's just because his present employers don't fit that description. It could be a moral stance or it could be an economic decision because hiring him and presenting him to the nation tarnishes their brand. That's up to them.[/quote]
He used the word "Fag" so that automatically makes him "anti-gay"? Because you know what's in his heart? So everytine someone uttered the word "WOP" we can assume they're anti-Italian? What little I know of you, not at all surprised by your assumptions and position. Needless to say, I couldn't disagree more. But then again, I tend to be more "tolerant" then most of those who profess to be.[/quote]
First it seems like you still didn't listen to the quote. He obviously was saying "fag cities" as a derogatory term. So maybe he dislikes "fag cities" but likes "fags"? Highly unlikely. You seem to jump to the defense of most who use offensive language so like you I also am not surprised by your position.
Second, you don't seem to understand why Fox has fired him. He represents their brand. I have no doubt he has used that term and a lot more in private. That's his right, he wouldn't be in my social circle but I doubt he'd want to be. But when he says it in front of say a million viewers while representing Fox they have to decide if that type of language does damage to a brand they spend billions trying to build. And, at least in the case of their sports division, this is not an affiliation that will be long term positive for their brand and therefore their revenue. That's why THEY made the decision. I wasn't screaming for his head. I honestly don't care. I was simply predicting he would be fired and that he should hope to be hired by a company that feels this association would be a positive for them. Maybe the church? OAN? Anyway.
I do speak in public or at industry events representing my employer. If I did the same on a live mic in public I would definitely expect to be fired. It would make it very hard to do my job in the future based on the demographics of our audience and target market.[/quote]
I did listen to the quote. Not good. And i know why FOX fired him: the cancel culture at work again. People have been fired for a lot less. I said that I expected he'd be fired, since its all about the $$$. I also said that I didn't think that he should be fired. I'm not condoning his words, but unlike you I'm not making assumptions about him. He said something bad when he thought he was off mic. Lots of people say stupid and bad crap. Lots of people use derogatory terms, sometimes in jest and sometimes out of anger. He apologized profusely. IMO he should have been suspended and kept his job. Never realized how many people on this board live in glass houses.[/quote]
Our of curiosity, what type of person do you think could make comments like this while working at their job and not expect to be fired?[/quote]
Not sure you mean by "what type of person". If you're trying to goad me, nice try. The guy said something bad while he thought he was off mic. Same as it he was sitting in his living room. He F'ed up royally. He apologized profusely. A suspension is what I think is fair punishment. Not sure how much clearer I can be.[/quote]
Sorry my wording was off. The point I was trying to make was, I'm curious which jobs a person could make a comment like that while on the job and expect to keep their job. Even say if you were in your office, and thought nobody was around, and someone overheard you. The person is likely going to be fired.
Just thought I should add. I'm not calling for him to be fired. I wholly agree cancel culture has gone too far. But I would like to see him atone for his mistake and keep his job.[/quote]
Thanks for clarification 112. I've been out of a large office setting for about 30 years, but let's say for instance 2 male colleagues were joking around about which city had the most beautiful women. And one guy said "San Fran has some beautiful women". And the other guy responded with "Nah, that's a fag city". And let's just say that, unbeknownst to the 2 men, the boss was listening to the conversation. Do I think the guy should be fired? Absolutely not. Honestly, in that setting IMO he deserves a reprimand.
I listened to the quote in question and he not only said it but he said it with disdain. Tom Brennaman should be hired by a company that does not have a problem being associated with homophobia and anti-gay positions.
If he loses his job it's just because his present employers don't fit that description. It could be a moral stance or it could be an economic decision because hiring him and presenting him to the nation tarnishes their brand. That's up to them.[/quote]
He used the word "Fag" so that automatically makes him "anti-gay"? Because you know what's in his heart? So everytine someone uttered the word "WOP" we can assume they're anti-Italian? What little I know of you, not at all surprised by your assumptions and position. Needless to say, I couldn't disagree more. But then again, I tend to be more "tolerant" then most of those who profess to be.[/quote]
First it seems like you still didn't listen to the quote. He obviously was saying "fag cities" as a derogatory term. So maybe he dislikes "fag cities" but likes "fags"? Highly unlikely. You seem to jump to the defense of most who use offensive language so like you I also am not surprised by your position.
Second, you don't seem to understand why Fox has fired him. He represents their brand. I have no doubt he has used that term and a lot more in private. That's his right, he wouldn't be in my social circle but I doubt he'd want to be. But when he says it in front of say a million viewers while representing Fox they have to decide if that type of language does damage to a brand they spend billions trying to build. And, at least in the case of their sports division, this is not an affiliation that will be long term positive for their brand and therefore their revenue. That's why THEY made the decision. I wasn't screaming for his head. I honestly don't care. I was simply predicting he would be fired and that he should hope to be hired by a company that feels this association would be a positive for them. Maybe the church? OAN? Anyway.
I do speak in public or at industry events representing my employer. If I did the same on a live mic in public I would definitely expect to be fired. It would make it very hard to do my job in the future based on the demographics of our audience and target market.[/quote]
I did listen to the quote. Not good. And i know why FOX fired him: the cancel culture at work again. People have been fired for a lot less. I said that I expected he'd be fired, since its all about the $$$. I also said that I didn't think that he should be fired. I'm not condoning his words, but unlike you I'm not making assumptions about him. He said something bad when he thought he was off mic. Lots of people say stupid and bad crap. Lots of people use derogatory terms, sometimes in jest and sometimes out of anger. He apologized profusely. IMO he should have been suspended and kept his job. Never realized how many people on this board live in glass houses.[/quote]
Our of curiosity, what type of person do you think could make comments like this while working at their job and not expect to be fired?[/quote]
Not sure you mean by "what type of person". If you're trying to goad me, nice try. The guy said something bad while he thought he was off mic. Same as it he was sitting in his living room. He F'ed up royally. He apologized profusely. A suspension is what I think is fair punishment. Not sure how much clearer I can be.[/quote]
Sorry my wording was off. The point I was trying to make was, I'm curious which jobs a person could make a comment like that while on the job and expect to keep their job. Even say if you were in your office, and thought nobody was around, and someone overheard you. The person is likely going to be fired.
Just thought I should add. I'm not calling for him to be fired. I wholly agree cancel culture has gone too far. But I would like to see him atone for his mistake and keep his job.[/quote]
Thanks for clarification 112. I've been out of a large office setting for about 30 years, but let's say for instance 2 male colleagues were joking around about which city had the most beautiful women. And one guy said "San Fran has some beautiful women". And the other guy responded with "Nah, that's a fag city". And let's just say that, unbeknownst to the 2 men, the boss was listening to the conversation. Do I think the guy should be fired? Absolutely not. Honestly, in that setting IMO he deserves a reprimand.
1. Welcome back Logen - good to see you. They sucked me back in, so come on in, the water's fine.
2. Oh, and since this thread no longer has anything at all to do with either Amir Garrett or basketball, and it can't be moved to the Politics forum because we don't have one ... locked.
2. Oh, and since this thread no longer has anything at all to do with either Amir Garrett or basketball, and it can't be moved to the Politics forum because we don't have one ... locked.
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I listened to the quote in question and he not only said it but he said it with disdain. Tom Brennaman should be hired by a company that does not have a problem being associated with homophobia and anti-gay positions.
If he loses his job it's just because his present employers don't fit that description. It could be a moral stance or it could be an economic decision because hiring him and presenting him to the nation tarnishes their brand. That's up to them.[/quote]
He used the word "Fag" so that automatically makes him "anti-gay"? Because you know what's in his heart? So everytine someone uttered the word "WOP" we can assume they're anti-Italian? What little I know of you, not at all surprised by your assumptions and position. Needless to say, I couldn't disagree more. But then again, I tend to be more "tolerant" then most of those who profess to be.[/quote]
First it seems like you still didn't listen to the quote. He obviously was saying "fag cities" as a derogatory term. So maybe he dislikes "fag cities" but likes "fags"? Highly unlikely. You seem to jump to the defense of most who use offensive language so like you I also am not surprised by your position.
Second, you don't seem to understand why Fox has fired him. He represents their brand. I have no doubt he has used that term and a lot more in private. That's his right, he wouldn't be in my social circle but I doubt he'd want to be. But when he says it in front of say a million viewers while representing Fox they have to decide if that type of language does damage to a brand they spend billions trying to build. And, at least in the case of their sports division, this is not an affiliation that will be long term positive for their brand and therefore their revenue. That's why THEY made the decision. I wasn't screaming for his head. I honestly don't care. I was simply predicting he would be fired and that he should hope to be hired by a company that feels this association would be a positive for them. Maybe the church? OAN? Anyway.
I do speak in public or at industry events representing my employer. If I did the same on a live mic in public I would definitely expect to be fired. It would make it very hard to do my job in the future based on the demographics of our audience and target market.[/quote]
I did listen to the quote. Not good. And i know why FOX fired him: the cancel culture at work again. People have been fired for a lot less. I said that I expected he'd be fired, since its all about the $$$. I also said that I didn't think that he should be fired. I'm not condoning his words, but unlike you I'm not making assumptions about him. He said something bad when he thought he was off mic. Lots of people say stupid and bad crap. Lots of people use derogatory terms, sometimes in jest and sometimes out of anger. He apologized profusely. IMO he should have been suspended and kept his job. Never realized how many people on this board live in glass houses.[/quote]
Our of curiosity, what type of person do you think could make comments like this while working at their job and not expect to be fired?[/quote]
Not sure you mean by "what type of person". If you're trying to goad me, nice try. The guy said something bad while he thought he was off mic. Same as it he was sitting in his living room. He F'ed up royally. He apologized profusely. A suspension is what I think is fair punishment. Not sure how much clearer I can be.[/quote]
Sorry my wording was off. The point I was trying to make was, I'm curious which jobs a person could make a comment like that while on the job and expect to keep their job. Even say if you were in your office, and thought nobody was around, and someone overheard you. The person is likely going to be fired.
Just thought I should add. I'm not calling for him to be fired. I wholly agree cancel culture has gone too far. But I would like to see him atone for his mistake and keep his job.[/quote]
Thanks for clarification 112. I've been out of a large office setting for about 30 years, but let's say for instance 2 male colleagues were joking around about which city had the most beautiful women. And one guy said "San Fran has some beautiful women". And the other guy responded with "Nah, that's a fag city". And let's just say that, unbeknownst to the 2 men, the boss was listening to the conversation. Do I think the guy should be fired? Absolutely not. Honestly, in that setting IMO he deserves a reprimand.[/quote]
Agreed. But there were only 3 people involved in that scenario...
Now lets say those two guys were on a panel on TV talking about their company and its wonderful products/services and coming out of commercial break they had that same exchange and it went out over the airwaves.
Would firing him for embarrassing the company and hurting its brand be a reasonable response by his employer?
I listened to the quote in question and he not only said it but he said it with disdain. Tom Brennaman should be hired by a company that does not have a problem being associated with homophobia and anti-gay positions.
If he loses his job it's just because his present employers don't fit that description. It could be a moral stance or it could be an economic decision because hiring him and presenting him to the nation tarnishes their brand. That's up to them.[/quote]
He used the word "Fag" so that automatically makes him "anti-gay"? Because you know what's in his heart? So everytine someone uttered the word "WOP" we can assume they're anti-Italian? What little I know of you, not at all surprised by your assumptions and position. Needless to say, I couldn't disagree more. But then again, I tend to be more "tolerant" then most of those who profess to be.[/quote]
First it seems like you still didn't listen to the quote. He obviously was saying "fag cities" as a derogatory term. So maybe he dislikes "fag cities" but likes "fags"? Highly unlikely. You seem to jump to the defense of most who use offensive language so like you I also am not surprised by your position.
Second, you don't seem to understand why Fox has fired him. He represents their brand. I have no doubt he has used that term and a lot more in private. That's his right, he wouldn't be in my social circle but I doubt he'd want to be. But when he says it in front of say a million viewers while representing Fox they have to decide if that type of language does damage to a brand they spend billions trying to build. And, at least in the case of their sports division, this is not an affiliation that will be long term positive for their brand and therefore their revenue. That's why THEY made the decision. I wasn't screaming for his head. I honestly don't care. I was simply predicting he would be fired and that he should hope to be hired by a company that feels this association would be a positive for them. Maybe the church? OAN? Anyway.
I do speak in public or at industry events representing my employer. If I did the same on a live mic in public I would definitely expect to be fired. It would make it very hard to do my job in the future based on the demographics of our audience and target market.[/quote]
I did listen to the quote. Not good. And i know why FOX fired him: the cancel culture at work again. People have been fired for a lot less. I said that I expected he'd be fired, since its all about the $$$. I also said that I didn't think that he should be fired. I'm not condoning his words, but unlike you I'm not making assumptions about him. He said something bad when he thought he was off mic. Lots of people say stupid and bad crap. Lots of people use derogatory terms, sometimes in jest and sometimes out of anger. He apologized profusely. IMO he should have been suspended and kept his job. Never realized how many people on this board live in glass houses.[/quote]
Our of curiosity, what type of person do you think could make comments like this while working at their job and not expect to be fired?[/quote]
Not sure you mean by "what type of person". If you're trying to goad me, nice try. The guy said something bad while he thought he was off mic. Same as it he was sitting in his living room. He F'ed up royally. He apologized profusely. A suspension is what I think is fair punishment. Not sure how much clearer I can be.[/quote]
Sorry my wording was off. The point I was trying to make was, I'm curious which jobs a person could make a comment like that while on the job and expect to keep their job. Even say if you were in your office, and thought nobody was around, and someone overheard you. The person is likely going to be fired.
Just thought I should add. I'm not calling for him to be fired. I wholly agree cancel culture has gone too far. But I would like to see him atone for his mistake and keep his job.[/quote]
Thanks for clarification 112. I've been out of a large office setting for about 30 years, but let's say for instance 2 male colleagues were joking around about which city had the most beautiful women. And one guy said "San Fran has some beautiful women". And the other guy responded with "Nah, that's a fag city". And let's just say that, unbeknownst to the 2 men, the boss was listening to the conversation. Do I think the guy should be fired? Absolutely not. Honestly, in that setting IMO he deserves a reprimand.[/quote]
Agreed. But there were only 3 people involved in that scenario...
Now lets say those two guys were on a panel on TV talking about their company and its wonderful products/services and coming out of commercial break they had that same exchange and it went out over the airwaves.
Would firing him for embarrassing the company and hurting its brand be a reasonable response by his employer?
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