Amir Garrett Speaks Out

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[quote="Monte" post=396618][quote="SJUFAN2" post=396616][quote="Monte" post=396614][quote="austour" post=396587][quote="Monte" post=396582][quote="Duke of Earlington" post=396573][quote="Monte" post=396571][quote="Duke of Earlington" post=396569]Im not a huge PC guy and I think alot of this stuff is an overreaction, but what grown adult still uses this word? This dude has no one to blame but himself and if he never works again, he has no one to blame but himself.[/quote]

"...never works again"? Really? How about we confiscate all of his personal belongings and banish him to siberia? Inappropriate comment? Absolutely! An apology and maybe a small suspension is more then enough IMO. But then again, ESPN are masters at selective outrage and punishment, and Plus I'm sure the corporate hypocrites(the advertisers) are already feigning outrage and threatening to pull commercials.[/quote]

I meant on TV or radio. Obviously he can be employeed again but for a tv or radio station to call games, i doubt it.[/quote]

Respect your opinion Duke, but still think the guy does not deserved to be fired, let alone never work as a broadcaster again.[/quote]

I listened to the quote in question and he not only said it but he said it with disdain. Tom Brennaman should be hired by a company that does not have a problem being associated with homophobia and anti-gay positions.

If he loses his job it's just because his present employers don't fit that description. It could be a moral stance or it could be an economic decision because hiring him and presenting him to the nation tarnishes their brand. That's up to them.[/quote]

He used the word "Fag" so that automatically makes him "anti-gay"? Because you know what's in his heart? So everytine someone uttered the word "WOP" we can assume they're anti-Italian? What little I know of you, not at all surprised by your assumptions and position. Needless to say, I couldn't disagree more. But then again, I tend to be more "tolerant" then most of those who profess to be.[/quote]

If he'd just been caught uttering only the word "fag" then you might have a point. But he said (roughly) "...that's one of the biggest fag cities in the world." Clearly his statement was intended to poke fun at, or insult some city by linking it to a derogatory phrase for a fairly large segment of the human population. Its certainly fair to presume he's not a fan of the folks that the word is meant to deride, or he wouldn't have used it to insult whatever city he was talking about.
Context matters.
To use your WOP analogy...if he'd just uttered "WOP"...people would have been scratching their heads wondering WTF is he talking about? And people would want to know the the rest of the conversation was to determine whether it was intended as a derogatory comment towards Italians.
Whereas, if he said something as outrageous as ... "My daughter is engaged to a WOP, I'd rather she married a N****r." Nobody would have a doubt what he meant or how it should be taken.

The guy F'd up. He'll pay a price for that, and should.
He apologized, live on the air and off the cuff. He deserves some credit for that. Whether he gets another gig behind a microphone will probably depend on whether he takes your point of view and argues he wasn't intending it to be an insult, or if he follows through on his apology with real action that reaches out to those he offended.

In a civil society "Fag", "WOP", "N****r", and every other ethnic, religious or social slur should never be acceptable in the public space. ESPECIALLY on the public airwaves when children are watching/listening.[/quote]

Agree with much of what you're saying, but are you suggesting those words not be used in movies, theater, etc? Whether in jest or seriously? How about for comedic purposes? What about in music????? Also, keep in mind that his words weren't meant for the public.
Major screw up no doubt, but unless he has a history of homophobic, racist, etc behavior, but should not be career ending IMO.[/quote]

I'm not suggesting that those words be censored from art or legislated out of existence. Just that they aren't fit for the PUBLIC airwaves, nor should they be used in public discourse, say at a PTA or school board meeting.
If they were in a movie, it would get an R rating. Parents would be able to decide if that content was acceptable for their children.
If they were in lyrics there would be a warning on the CD case about the language content.
People should be able to have the expectation that they won't have to worry about hearing that kind of flippant bigotry, or having their kids exposed to that language on public broadcasts.
 
[quote="SJUFAN2" post=396620][quote="Monte" post=396618][quote="SJUFAN2" post=396616][quote="Monte" post=396614][quote="austour" post=396587][quote="Monte" post=396582][quote="Duke of Earlington" post=396573][quote="Monte" post=396571][quote="Duke of Earlington" post=396569]Im not a huge PC guy and I think alot of this stuff is an overreaction, but what grown adult still uses this word? This dude has no one to blame but himself and if he never works again, he has no one to blame but himself.[/quote]

"...never works again"? Really? How about we confiscate all of his personal belongings and banish him to siberia? Inappropriate comment? Absolutely! An apology and maybe a small suspension is more then enough IMO. But then again, ESPN are masters at selective outrage and punishment, and Plus I'm sure the corporate hypocrites(the advertisers) are already feigning outrage and threatening to pull commercials.[/quote]

I meant on TV or radio. Obviously he can be employeed again but for a tv or radio station to call games, i doubt it.[/quote]

Respect your opinion Duke, but still think the guy does not deserved to be fired, let alone never work as a broadcaster again.[/quote]

I listened to the quote in question and he not only said it but he said it with disdain. Tom Brennaman should be hired by a company that does not have a problem being associated with homophobia and anti-gay positions.

If he loses his job it's just because his present employers don't fit that description. It could be a moral stance or it could be an economic decision because hiring him and presenting him to the nation tarnishes their brand. That's up to them.[/quote]

He used the word "Fag" so that automatically makes him "anti-gay"? Because you know what's in his heart? So everytine someone uttered the word "WOP" we can assume they're anti-Italian? What little I know of you, not at all surprised by your assumptions and position. Needless to say, I couldn't disagree more. But then again, I tend to be more "tolerant" then most of those who profess to be.[/quote]

If he'd just been caught uttering only the word "fag" then you might have a point. But he said (roughly) "...that's one of the biggest fag cities in the world." Clearly his statement was intended to poke fun at, or insult some city by linking it to a derogatory phrase for a fairly large segment of the human population. Its certainly fair to presume he's not a fan of the folks that the word is meant to deride, or he wouldn't have used it to insult whatever city he was talking about.
Context matters.
To use your WOP analogy...if he'd just uttered "WOP"...people would have been scratching their heads wondering WTF is he talking about? And people would want to know the the rest of the conversation was to determine whether it was intended as a derogatory comment towards Italians.
Whereas, if he said something as outrageous as ... "My daughter is engaged to a WOP, I'd rather she married a N****r." Nobody would have a doubt what he meant or how it should be taken.

The guy F'd up. He'll pay a price for that, and should.
He apologized, live on the air and off the cuff. He deserves some credit for that. Whether he gets another gig behind a microphone will probably depend on whether he takes your point of view and argues he wasn't intending it to be an insult, or if he follows through on his apology with real action that reaches out to those he offended.

In a civil society "Fag", "WOP", "N****r", and every other ethnic, religious or social slur should never be acceptable in the public space. ESPECIALLY on the public airwaves when children are watching/listening.[/quote]

Agree with much of what you're saying, but are you suggesting those words not be used in movies, theater, etc? Whether in jest or seriously? How about for comedic purposes? What about in music????? Also, keep in mind that his words weren't meant for the public.
Major screw up no doubt, but unless he has a history of homophobic, racist, etc behavior, but should not be career ending IMO.[/quote]

I'm not suggesting that those words be censored from art or legislated out of existence. Just that they aren't fit for the PUBLIC airwaves, nor should they be used in public discourse, say at a PTA or school board meeting.
If they were in a movie, it would get an R rating. Parents would be able to decide if that content was acceptable for their children.
If they were in lyrics there would be a warning on the CD case about the language content.
People should be able to have the expectation that they won't have to worry about hearing that kind of flippant bigotry, or having their kids exposed to that language on public broadcasts.[/quote]

Agree, but think we are way beyond the point where we can protect our kids from certain language.
 
[quote="Monte" post=396614][quote="austour" post=396587]
I listened to the quote in question and he not only said it but he said it with disdain. Tom Brennaman should be hired by a company that does not have a problem being associated with homophobia and anti-gay positions.

If he loses his job it's just because his present employers don't fit that description. It could be a moral stance or it could be an economic decision because hiring him and presenting him to the nation tarnishes their brand. That's up to them.[/quote]

He used the word "Fag" so that automatically makes him "anti-gay"? Because you know what's in his heart? So everytine someone uttered the word "WOP" we can assume they're anti-Italian? What little I know of you, not at all surprised by your assumptions and position. Needless to say, I couldn't disagree more. But then again, I tend to be more "tolerant" then most of those who profess to be.[/quote]

First it seems like you still didn't listen to the quote. He obviously was saying "fag cities" as a derogatory term. So maybe he dislikes "fag cities" but likes "fags"? Highly unlikely. You seem to jump to the defense of most who use offensive language so like you I also am not surprised by your position.

Second, you don't seem to understand why Fox has fired him. He represents their brand. I have no doubt he has used that term and a lot more in private. That's his right, he wouldn't be in my social circle but I doubt he'd want to be. But when he says it in front of say a million viewers while representing Fox they have to decide if that type of language does damage to a brand they spend billions trying to build. And, at least in the case of their sports division, this is not an affiliation that will be long term positive for their brand and therefore their revenue. That's why THEY made the decision. I wasn't screaming for his head. I honestly don't care. I was simply predicting he would be fired and that he should hope to be hired by a company that feels this association would be a positive for them. Maybe the church? OAN? Anyway.

I do speak in public or at industry events representing my employer. If I did the same on a live mic in public I would definitely expect to be fired. It would make it very hard to do my job in the future based on the demographics of our audience and target market.
 
[quote="austour" post=396624][quote="Monte" post=396614][quote="austour" post=396587]
I listened to the quote in question and he not only said it but he said it with disdain. Tom Brennaman should be hired by a company that does not have a problem being associated with homophobia and anti-gay positions.

If he loses his job it's just because his present employers don't fit that description. It could be a moral stance or it could be an economic decision because hiring him and presenting him to the nation tarnishes their brand. That's up to them.[/quote]

He used the word "Fag" so that automatically makes him "anti-gay"? Because you know what's in his heart? So everytine someone uttered the word "WOP" we can assume they're anti-Italian? What little I know of you, not at all surprised by your assumptions and position. Needless to say, I couldn't disagree more. But then again, I tend to be more "tolerant" then most of those who profess to be.[/quote]

First it seems like you still didn't listen to the quote. He obviously was saying "fag cities" as a derogatory term. So maybe he dislikes "fag cities" but likes "fags"? Highly unlikely. You seem to jump to the defense of most who use offensive language so like you I also am not surprised by your position.

Second, you don't seem to understand why Fox has fired him. He represents their brand. I have no doubt he has used that term and a lot more in private. That's his right, he wouldn't be in my social circle but I doubt he'd want to be. But when he says it in front of say a million viewers while representing Fox they have to decide if that type of language does damage to a brand they spend billions trying to build. And, at least in the case of their sports division, this is not an affiliation that will be long term positive for their brand and therefore their revenue. That's why THEY made the decision. I wasn't screaming for his head. I honestly don't care. I was simply predicting he would be fired and that he should hope to be hired by a company that feels this association would be a positive for them. Maybe the church? OAN? Anyway.

I do speak in public or at industry events representing my employer. If I did the same on a live mic in public I would definitely expect to be fired. It would make it very hard to do my job in the future based on the demographics of our audience and target market.[/quote]

I did listen to the quote. Not good. And i know why FOX fired him: the cancel culture at work again. People have been fired for a lot less. I said that I expected he'd be fired, since its all about the $$$. I also said that I didn't think that he should be fired. I'm not condoning his words, but unlike you I'm not making assumptions about him. He said something bad when he thought he was off mic. Lots of people say stupid and bad crap. Lots of people use derogatory terms, sometimes in jest and sometimes out of anger. He apologized profusely. IMO he should have been suspended and kept his job. Never realized how many people on this board live in glass houses.
 
OK, maybe you just don't understand how business works. It has to be about $$$. That's what drives shareholder value which is all that matters in today's world. Maybe if he had other skills they could give him a job off air. I'm betting he doesn't have other skills.

But APOLOGIES, we're in here talking about APOLOGIES? Apologies are like opinions. Everyone has one. He was going to lose his job so I'd have respected him more if he owned it. LOL
 
[quote="austour" post=396625]PS there's no brownie points for tolerating intolerance.[/quote]

Who's looking for browning points? And who made you the arbiter of what's "intolerant"?
 
[quote="austour" post=396628]OK, maybe you just don't understand how business works. It has to be about $$$. That's what drives shareholder value which is all that matters in today's world. Maybe if he had other skills they could give him a job off air. I'm betting he doesn't have other skills.

But APOLOGIES, we're in here talking about APOLOGIES? Apologies are like opinions. Everyone has one. He was going to lose his job so I'd have respected him more if he owned it. LOL[/quote]

Oh right, certain people are let off with APOLOGIES and others aren't. Right.
 
You don't get brownie points for apologizing for your intolerance.
 
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[quote="austour" post=396628]OK, maybe you just don't understand how business works. It has to be about $$$. That's what drives shareholder value which is all that matters in today's world. Maybe if he had other skills they could give him a job off air. I'm betting he doesn't have other skills.

But APOLOGIES, we're in here talking about APOLOGIES? Apologies are like opinions. Everyone has one. He was going to lose his job so I'd have respected him more if he owned it. LOL[/quote]

PS Owned my own business for 30 years. Did ok for myself. I know how business works. I also know how supporting your employees, and giving 2nd chances works. I've also seen how big corporations are quick to cover their asses by sacrificing the little guys, especially in this day and age.
 
I'll say this much, he rightfully shouldn't be hired to call WNBA games.
 
[quote="Monte" post=396626][quote="austour" post=396624][quote="Monte" post=396614][quote="austour" post=396587]
I listened to the quote in question and he not only said it but he said it with disdain. Tom Brennaman should be hired by a company that does not have a problem being associated with homophobia and anti-gay positions.

If he loses his job it's just because his present employers don't fit that description. It could be a moral stance or it could be an economic decision because hiring him and presenting him to the nation tarnishes their brand. That's up to them.[/quote]

He used the word "Fag" so that automatically makes him "anti-gay"? Because you know what's in his heart? So everytine someone uttered the word "WOP" we can assume they're anti-Italian? What little I know of you, not at all surprised by your assumptions and position. Needless to say, I couldn't disagree more. But then again, I tend to be more "tolerant" then most of those who profess to be.[/quote]

First it seems like you still didn't listen to the quote. He obviously was saying "fag cities" as a derogatory term. So maybe he dislikes "fag cities" but likes "fags"? Highly unlikely. You seem to jump to the defense of most who use offensive language so like you I also am not surprised by your position.

Second, you don't seem to understand why Fox has fired him. He represents their brand. I have no doubt he has used that term and a lot more in private. That's his right, he wouldn't be in my social circle but I doubt he'd want to be. But when he says it in front of say a million viewers while representing Fox they have to decide if that type of language does damage to a brand they spend billions trying to build. And, at least in the case of their sports division, this is not an affiliation that will be long term positive for their brand and therefore their revenue. That's why THEY made the decision. I wasn't screaming for his head. I honestly don't care. I was simply predicting he would be fired and that he should hope to be hired by a company that feels this association would be a positive for them. Maybe the church? OAN? Anyway.

I do speak in public or at industry events representing my employer. If I did the same on a live mic in public I would definitely expect to be fired. It would make it very hard to do my job in the future based on the demographics of our audience and target market.[/quote]

I did listen to the quote. Not good. And i know why FOX fired him: the cancel culture at work again. People have been fired for a lot less. I said that I expected he'd be fired, since its all about the $$$. I also said that I didn't think that he should be fired. I'm not condoning his words, but unlike you I'm not making assumptions about him. He said something bad when he thought he was off mic. Lots of people say stupid and bad crap. Lots of people use derogatory terms, sometimes in jest and sometimes out of anger. He apologized profusely. IMO he should have been suspended and kept his job. Never realized how many people on this board live in glass houses.[/quote]

Our of curiosity, what type of person do you think could make comments like this while working at their job and not expect to be fired?
 
[quote="Room112" post=396639][quote="Monte" post=396626][quote="austour" post=396624][quote="Monte" post=396614][quote="austour" post=396587]
I listened to the quote in question and he not only said it but he said it with disdain. Tom Brennaman should be hired by a company that does not have a problem being associated with homophobia and anti-gay positions.

If he loses his job it's just because his present employers don't fit that description. It could be a moral stance or it could be an economic decision because hiring him and presenting him to the nation tarnishes their brand. That's up to them.[/quote]

He used the word "Fag" so that automatically makes him "anti-gay"? Because you know what's in his heart? So everytine someone uttered the word "WOP" we can assume they're anti-Italian? What little I know of you, not at all surprised by your assumptions and position. Needless to say, I couldn't disagree more. But then again, I tend to be more "tolerant" then most of those who profess to be.[/quote]

First it seems like you still didn't listen to the quote. He obviously was saying "fag cities" as a derogatory term. So maybe he dislikes "fag cities" but likes "fags"? Highly unlikely. You seem to jump to the defense of most who use offensive language so like you I also am not surprised by your position.

Second, you don't seem to understand why Fox has fired him. He represents their brand. I have no doubt he has used that term and a lot more in private. That's his right, he wouldn't be in my social circle but I doubt he'd want to be. But when he says it in front of say a million viewers while representing Fox they have to decide if that type of language does damage to a brand they spend billions trying to build. And, at least in the case of their sports division, this is not an affiliation that will be long term positive for their brand and therefore their revenue. That's why THEY made the decision. I wasn't screaming for his head. I honestly don't care. I was simply predicting he would be fired and that he should hope to be hired by a company that feels this association would be a positive for them. Maybe the church? OAN? Anyway.

I do speak in public or at industry events representing my employer. If I did the same on a live mic in public I would definitely expect to be fired. It would make it very hard to do my job in the future based on the demographics of our audience and target market.[/quote]

I did listen to the quote. Not good. And i know why FOX fired him: the cancel culture at work again. People have been fired for a lot less. I said that I expected he'd be fired, since its all about the $$$. I also said that I didn't think that he should be fired. I'm not condoning his words, but unlike you I'm not making assumptions about him. He said something bad when he thought he was off mic. Lots of people say stupid and bad crap. Lots of people use derogatory terms, sometimes in jest and sometimes out of anger. He apologized profusely. IMO he should have been suspended and kept his job. Never realized how many people on this board live in glass houses.[/quote]

Our of curiosity, what type of person do you think could make comments like this while working at their job and not expect to be fired?[/quote]

Not sure you mean by "what type of person". If you're trying to goad me, nice try. The guy said something bad while he thought he was off mic. Same as it he was sitting in his living room. He F'ed up royally. He apologized profusely. A suspension is what I think is fair punishment. Not sure how much clearer I can be.
 
[quote="Monte" post=396626][quote="austour" post=396624][quote="Monte" post=396614][quote="austour" post=396587]
I listened to the quote in question and he not only said it but he said it with disdain. Tom Brennaman should be hired by a company that does not have a problem being associated with homophobia and anti-gay positions.

If he loses his job it's just because his present employers don't fit that description. It could be a moral stance or it could be an economic decision because hiring him and presenting him to the nation tarnishes their brand. That's up to them.[/quote]

He used the word "Fag" so that automatically makes him "anti-gay"? Because you know what's in his heart? So everytine someone uttered the word "WOP" we can assume they're anti-Italian? What little I know of you, not at all surprised by your assumptions and position. Needless to say, I couldn't disagree more. But then again, I tend to be more "tolerant" then most of those who profess to be.[/quote]

First it seems like you still didn't listen to the quote. He obviously was saying "fag cities" as a derogatory term. So maybe he dislikes "fag cities" but likes "fags"? Highly unlikely. You seem to jump to the defense of most who use offensive language so like you I also am not surprised by your position.

Second, you don't seem to understand why Fox has fired him. He represents their brand. I have no doubt he has used that term and a lot more in private. That's his right, he wouldn't be in my social circle but I doubt he'd want to be. But when he says it in front of say a million viewers while representing Fox they have to decide if that type of language does damage to a brand they spend billions trying to build. And, at least in the case of their sports division, this is not an affiliation that will be long term positive for their brand and therefore their revenue. That's why THEY made the decision. I wasn't screaming for his head. I honestly don't care. I was simply predicting he would be fired and that he should hope to be hired by a company that feels this association would be a positive for them. Maybe the church? OAN? Anyway.

I do speak in public or at industry events representing my employer. If I did the same on a live mic in public I would definitely expect to be fired. It would make it very hard to do my job in the future based on the demographics of our audience and target market.[/quote]

I did listen to the quote. Not good. And i know why FOX fired him: the cancel culture at work again. People have been fired for a lot less. I said that I expected he'd be fired, since its all about the $$$. I also said that I didn't think that he should be fired. I'm not condoning his words, but unlike you I'm not making assumptions about him. He said something bad when he thought he was off mic. Lots of people say stupid and bad crap. Lots of people use derogatory terms, sometimes in jest and sometimes out of anger. He apologized profusely. IMO he should have been suspended and kept his job. Never realized how many people on this board live in glass houses.[/quote]

First, someone being fired for making a clearly derogatory term based on someone’s (or in this case, a whole city’s) sexuality is not the cancel culture at work.

Second, we don’t have to make assumptions about him. We all heard what he said. That was not an assumption; it was a specific behavior. A behavior which is totally unacceptable today.

Third, did you hear his whole apology? He stopped during his apology to call a home run by a Reds player and give the score. That did not sound like a sincere apology to me. It sounded like a distraction from him calling the game.

Finally, even when people use a derogatory term in jest, one really doesn’t know how other people will react to it, unless they tell you. Best not to use a derogatory term, such as a homophobic slur, at all.

Cancel culture? No. It’s about consequences for one’s behavior.
 
Yet ESPN had no problem hiring the artist who wrote these words, to create a commercial for them.

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How outraged are you guys over this? Enough that you'd boycott the next SJU midnight madness that he performed at?
 
[quote="Tonyinfairfield " post=396641][quote="Monte" post=396626][quote="austour" post=396624][quote="Monte" post=396614][quote="austour" post=396587]
I listened to the quote in question and he not only said it but he said it with disdain. Tom Brennaman should be hired by a company that does not have a problem being associated with homophobia and anti-gay positions.

If he loses his job it's just because his present employers don't fit that description. It could be a moral stance or it could be an economic decision because hiring him and presenting him to the nation tarnishes their brand. That's up to them.[/quote]

He used the word "Fag" so that automatically makes him "anti-gay"? Because you know what's in his heart? So everytine someone uttered the word "WOP" we can assume they're anti-Italian? What little I know of you, not at all surprised by your assumptions and position. Needless to say, I couldn't disagree more. But then again, I tend to be more "tolerant" then most of those who profess to be.[/quote]

First it seems like you still didn't listen to the quote. He obviously was saying "fag cities" as a derogatory term. So maybe he dislikes "fag cities" but likes "fags"? Highly unlikely. You seem to jump to the defense of most who use offensive language so like you I also am not surprised by your position.

Second, you don't seem to understand why Fox has fired him. He represents their brand. I have no doubt he has used that term and a lot more in private. That's his right, he wouldn't be in my social circle but I doubt he'd want to be. But when he says it in front of say a million viewers while representing Fox they have to decide if that type of language does damage to a brand they spend billions trying to build. And, at least in the case of their sports division, this is not an affiliation that will be long term positive for their brand and therefore their revenue. That's why THEY made the decision. I wasn't screaming for his head. I honestly don't care. I was simply predicting he would be fired and that he should hope to be hired by a company that feels this association would be a positive for them. Maybe the church? OAN? Anyway.

I do speak in public or at industry events representing my employer. If I did the same on a live mic in public I would definitely expect to be fired. It would make it very hard to do my job in the future based on the demographics of our audience and target market.[/quote]

I did listen to the quote. Not good. And i know why FOX fired him: the cancel culture at work again. People have been fired for a lot less. I said that I expected he'd be fired, since its all about the $$$. I also said that I didn't think that he should be fired. I'm not condoning his words, but unlike you I'm not making assumptions about him. He said something bad when he thought he was off mic. Lots of people say stupid and bad crap. Lots of people use derogatory terms, sometimes in jest and sometimes out of anger. He apologized profusely. IMO he should have been suspended and kept his job. Never realized how many people on this board live in glass houses.[/quote]

First, someone being fired for making a clearly derogatory term based on someone’s (or in this case, a whole city’s) sexuality is not the cancel culture at work.

Second, we don’t have to make assumptions about him. We all heard what he said. That was not an assumption; it was a specific behavior. A behavior which is totally unacceptable today.

Third, did you hear his whole apology? He stopped during his apology to call a home run by a Reds player and give the score. That did not sound like a sincere apology to me. It sounded like a distraction from him calling the game.

Finally, even when people use a derogatory term in jest, one really doesn’t know how other people will react to it, unless they tell you. Best not to use a derogatory term, such as a homophobic slur, at all.

Cancel culture? No. It’s about consequences for one’s behavior.[/quote]

Right, so I assume you disown every single person that you've ever known who's made a similar derogatory remark. You either have very few friends, or a lot of friends who walk a damn straight line. Once again, because some of you are twisting my words to fit your narrative; what he said was bad, very bad. He should he punished. He should not be fired IMO. And it it weren't for the "cancel culture" of today, IMO he probably wouldn't have been fired.
Note all the "IMO"s.
 
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We are "The Great Hypocrisy ".... but who cares...getting more and more depressing on this board! Very little Bball talk without some form of political talk...negative talk.....hard not to think that a lot of this has nothing to do with being a strong supporter of St John's Basketball...and more about axes to be ground at the expense of this great University and its storied ball program....GO ST JOHNS!
 
In our holier than thought sensibilities, we are I guess rightfully quick to condemn the utterance.

It sounds like something Archie Bunker would declare in the 70s, "well meathead, we got these fag cities in San Francisco, Greenwich Village. Key West. It's where your friend Roger should go to be a pansy."

That caricature that Caroll O'Connor played helped show a generation how absurd biases were , and what we saw when we looked in the mirror.

Fact is though, is that all of us could have guessed where he meant, but his contemptuous tone is out of place.

Let's not forget just a few years ago when asked if he would welcome the first openly gay nba player into his locker room, Lebron James replied, "I wouldn't be comfortable with that. " james got a pass for that and is now a strong voice in the nba. We've come a long way.

Stupid comment from an announcer off air, but on the Mel Gibson or Alec Baldwin scale of bias rants, it was maybe a 2.

Mercy goes a long way towards creating tolerance.
 
[quote="Monte" post=396643]Yet ESPN had no problem hiring the artist who wrote these words, to create a commercial for them.

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How outraged are you guys over this? Enough that you'd boycott the next SJU midnight madness that he performed at?[/quote]

I have essentially quit the board and become a lurker (I guess this post proves my hypocrisy, but I accepted my humanity with all its flaws a long time ago.) anyway, I quit because of the political hypocrisy of what was allowed to be posted politically and what was deleted by certain mods, certainly not Paul. The cancel culture doesn’t want dialog, they want control and the reaction here proves it. Monte can’t offer an alternative PUNISHMENT without all the “holier than thou” saints not bothering to understand a word he is saying but twisting his words to fit their sick ideology. Yes, sick! People can be stupid and say stupid things, intelligent and decent people point out the stupidity clearly and succinctly and move on, they have no desire to ruin people’s lives and oppose those who do, or didn’t any of you ever hear of Jesus Christ at the time spent in at a Christian university?
As for the use of this particular phraseology, I always hearken to a story Ray Davies of the Kinks told about how they were astounded at the ridiculously soaring sales in San Francisco of one of their early hits until they were informed it was because of the use of the word “fag” in the lyrics, obviously using the term in the context of the British slang for cigarette. Surprised the cancel culture Nazis haven’t gotten to burning and banning Kinks records yet. It will come if decent people don’t wake up.
 
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