All Realignment Talk Here

bucketshardy said:
With Rick mentioning those teams... he is most likely aware of whats "realistic"...

The Pipe dream would be to get some ADs to separate Basketball from all other sports (football). In that dream I would want: Duke / Pitt / BC / Cuse / ND / Wake / Louisville / Dayton.... all private schools - fit the mold-ish of current BE teams...

Now- if we need to expand for survival purposes- what's realistic... that doesn't marginalize us totally... Dayton - VCU ? Can we convince ND to comeback to the Catholics?

Gonna be a tough one...
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I think SLU is the clear cut #3 school after Dayton and VCU. St. Louis does have a good culture of basketball, their administration is all-in (they spent 80 mill on a new arena in 2006 + hiring Josh Schertz was impressive --12 mill for 6 years), so there's clear upside for their program to get good. Location is a 10/10.

Memphis would be very uninspiring and I don't even think they'd sacrifice their football program to join us. But, they are definitely a good program.
 
dk423 said:
I think SLU is the clear cut #3 school after Dayton and VCU. St. Louis does have a good culture of basketball, their administration is all-in (they spent 80 mill on a new arena in 2006 + hiring Josh Schertz was impressive --12 mill for 6 years), so there's clear upside for their program to get good. Location is a 10/10.

Memphis would be very uninspiring and I don't even think they'd sacrifice their football program to join us. But, they are definitely a good program.
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What do you see as an ideal number of teams to have in the conference in the future? Obviously a big part of expansion will be having to do away with the current neat round robin we have.
 
room112 said:
What do you see as an ideal number of teams to have in the conference in the future? Obviously a big part of expansion will be having to do away with the current neat round robin we have.
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I think its a more complicated question than people think. I love the 11 team conference. Round robin creates rivals and geographically, it makes enough sense. In the current state of the game, I'm still very picky about who would be #12 to try to maintain it.

But, these super conferences already built may have some implications down the road for college basketball. If TV networks are going to separate college basketball deals from football, I can see them wanting to add more conference games to their schedule for higher quality games-- maybe from 20 to 22 or even 24. That would then make teams from those conferences less likely to schedule more OOC games against quality opponents. Aside from the NIL MTEs (e.g. Vegas), I'm not even convinced that schools will be doing much of them anymore unless there's an international component to legally pay players NIL. Coaches already don't like the conference vs. conference games.

So if that's the case, then at minimum, we will need to expand to 13 or 14 schools. We may keep the round robin if thats the case.

In the pie in the sky scenario where the ACC gets totally raided by the Big Ten, SEC and Big 12, I do think its worth the Big East creating football and adding true juggernaut programs back into the fold -- even if that means getting to a stupid number like 20.
 
dk423 said:
More about us becoming a football conference and adding seven.
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yukon's gone. They're made for the ACC. I can totally see endee joining the BIG EAST. That way they're not stuck playing any ACC schools and can continue to schedule Northern Illinois's of the country. Dayton, Loyola, St. Louis and VCU are super logical and as someone else mentioned, we might be able to sustain our round robin schedule. Good for all the other sports also.
 
tom in salem said:
yukon's gone. They're made for the ACC. I can totally see endee joining the BIG EAST. That way they're not stuck playing any ACC schools and can continue to schedule Northern Illinois's of the country. Dayton, Loyola, St. Louis and VCU are super logical and as someone else mentioned, we might be able to sustain our round robin schedule. Good for all the other sports also.
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UConn can very easily end up being the Tulane-to-the-Big East though. What is that conference without UNC, UVA, NC State, Florida State, Clemson, Miami?
 
dk423 said:
UConn can very easily end up being the Tulane-to-the-Big East though. What is that conference without UNC, UVA, NC State, Florida State, Clemson, Miami?
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dk423 said:
UConn can very easily end up being the Tulane-to-the-Big East though. What is that conference without UNC, UVA, NC State, Florida State, Clemson, Miami?
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THEY'RE DYING TO GET INTO A FOOTBALL CONFERENCE AND THE ACC MAKES PERFECT SENSE. FELLOW NORTHEASTERN SCHOOLS SYRACUSE AND BEE CEE ALREADY RESIDE UP HERE AND THEIR FOOTBALL TEAM IS FINALLY DECENT, 8-4 THIS SEASON.
 
dk423 said:
I think its a more complicated question than people think. I love the 11 team conference. Round robin creates rivals and geographically, it makes enough sense. In the current state of the game, I'm still very picky about who would be #12 to try to maintain it.

But, these super conferences already built may have some implications down the road for college basketball. If TV networks are going to separate college basketball deals from football, I can see them wanting to add more conference games to their schedule for higher quality games-- maybe from 20 to 22 or even 24. That would then make teams from those conferences less likely to schedule more OOC games against quality opponents. Aside from the NIL MTEs (e.g. Vegas), I'm not even convinced that schools will be doing much of them anymore unless there's an international component to legally pay players NIL. Coaches already don't like the conference vs. conference games.

So if that's the case, then at minimum, we will need to expand to 13 or 14 schools. We may keep the round robin if thats the case.

In the pie in the sky scenario where the ACC gets totally raided by the Big Ten, SEC and Big 12, I do think its worth the Big East creating football and adding true juggernaut programs back into the fold -- even if that means getting to a stupid number like 20.
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I think you pretty much summed it up. And the outcome I've arrived at is, as much as we like the current format, the Big East will have no choice but to expand and adapt to survive the next round of re-alignment, and come out stronger on the other side.
 
tom in salem said:
THEY'RE DYING TO GET INTO A FOOTBALL CONFERENCE AND THE ACC MAKES PERFECT SENSE. FELLOW NORTHEASTERN SCHOOLS SYRACUSE AND BEE CEE ALREADY RESIDE UP HERE AND THEIR FOOTBALL TEAM IS FINALLY DECENT, 8-4 THIS SEASON.
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Okay but if the ACC is dead after all of their premiere teams leave, we can literally replicate the same thing
 
room112 said:
I think you pretty much summed it up. And the outcome I've arrived at is, as much as we like the current format, the Big East will have no choice but to expand and adapt to survive the next round of re-alignment, and come out stronger on the other side.
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Adapt or perish.
 
tom in salem said:
yukon's gone. They're made for the ACC. I can totally see endee joining the BIG EAST. That way they're not stuck playing any ACC schools and can continue to schedule Northern Illinois's of the country. Dayton, Loyola, St. Louis and VCU are super logical and as someone else mentioned, we might be able to sustain our round robin schedule. Good for all the other sports also.
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But are 2 games vs St. Louis or Loyola, better than OOC games we could currently schedule? And if the round robin is lost, they certainly don’t improve the slate of conference games.
 
Amaseinyourface said:
But are 2 games vs St. Louis or Loyola, better than OOC games we could currently schedule? And if the round robin is lost, they certainly don’t improve the slate of conference games.
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Which is why the round robin is so important. Look at the shit OOC GAMES WE BOOKED THIS TEAR.
 
Amaseinyourface said:
But are 2 games vs St. Louis or Loyola, better than OOC games we could currently schedule? And if the round robin is lost, they certainly don’t improve the slate of conference games.
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From a basketball only standpoint the ACC lost its round robin with all their expansion and the conference gets weaker annually. I don’t understand why cutting back on games with current league members to add games with more questionable league members helps. And as streaming takes over and regional sports networks continue to die the past goal of gaining entry to regional markets diminishes.

It’s clear that it will be a huge challenge for basketball only leagues to compete with football inclusive leagues. That said, the huge expansion of those leagues is to serve football interests, at the expense of basketball. With Gonzaga off the board it’s hard to see any basketball schools remaining who add anything more than another school, and dilution to the product.

A game against VCU is better than a game against New Mexico OOC? It would take a lot before New Mexico would turn down a game against SJU. And we can’t think it’s worth losing a game against UConn, Villanova, etc. to play one against someone like St. Louis. Good luck filling MSG for them.

I’m not hating on these programs to be a hater, just being honest.
 
IDRAFT said:
From a basketball only standpoint the ACC lost its round robin with all their expansion and the conference gets weaker annually. I don’t understand why cutting back on games with current league members to add games with more questionable league members helps. And as streaming takes over and regional sports networks continue to die the past goal of gaining entry to regional markets diminishes.

It’s clear that it will be a huge challenge for basketball only leagues to compete with football inclusive leagues. That said, the huge expansion of those leagues is to serve football interests, at the expense of basketball. With Gonzaga off the board it’s hard to see any basketball schools remaining who add anything more than another school, and dilution to the product.

A game against VCU is better than a game against New Mexico OOC? It would take a lot before New Mexico would turn down a game against SJU. And we can’t think it’s worth losing a game against UConn, Villanova, etc. to play one against someone like St. Louis. Good luck filling MSG for them.

I’m not hating on these programs to be a hater, just being honest.
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Dayton's literally the only school that I think we can count on being middle of the pack right away.
 
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