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 The Texas-focused website Orangebloods.com, citing unidentified sources, said that Notre Dame could announce that it is moving its non-football sports into the Big 12 “before the end of the summer,” with the football program also promising to play a series of games against Big 12 opponents.

Before the expected replies from posters are made that that they will be pleased to have ND leave please understand that there are also reports that Florida State and Clemson may exist the ACC which in turn may cause the ACC to take Louisville and another Big East school.

See LINK:
http://blog.syracuse.com/sports/2012/06/notre_dame_denies_report_of_mo.html
 
ND is only interested in the Big 10 or ACC and still wants to be independent in FB. That would make the Big 12 appealing for what reasons?? Eight of the 10 schools in the conference are from Texas, Kansas and Oklahoma. Unlike West Virginia, ND does not need the FB $$ with its lucrative arrangement with the Big East. It is one of the most endowed colleges in America and the only issue is BCS football monopoly arrangements. It is time for the Feds to take a closer look at the collusion taking place in college football.
 
 And assuming this happens and Louisville bolts, you know UConn will go too and the domino effect will be in place. Would the ACC want to take us based on our huge NYC market and new energy surrounding the team under Lavin? Our market has to be appealing.
 
 Once again, ACC football is as obsolete as Big East football, especially if they lose their power programs. What is the benefit of some of these teams leaving for the ACC at that point? I'd argue that the Big East actually would have better football programs if ACC loses teams like Fsu/Clemson, VTech etc. At least Big East has some solid Texas programs, amongst others. ACC is a football afterthought as well. They better get used to it.
 
the best thing about a ACC implosion would be that it would hopefully skrew the University of $yracuse and Pitt$.
 
the best thing about a ACC implosion would be that it would hopefully skrew the University of $yracuse and Pitt$.
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Syracuse football games average about 27k people. That's not "big time". They will also soon lose a 1000 win head coach who is truly irreplaceable. They then will procede to move their sports out of the region. I hope they go the route of BC and worse.
 
If any of this is true, give kudos to the Big XII ADs for getting their act together so their conference survives and even thrives. They were almost left for dead 6 to 12 months ago. Now it's the Big East (again) and the ACC looking over their shoulders.



  
 
 In terms of football nobody compares to the SEC but I'd be willing to bet with the revivals of FSU and obviously the U will come around big time the ACC will thrive again. Slim to none chance the ACC implodes and under no circumstances will football or basketball be better in the Big East than the ACC which is sad to admit.
 
 Make no mistake about it; the BE is on very shaky footing. Football rules and we have almost no national presence there. Everyone likes to tout the big television markets but the truth is college FB is just not a draw in the Northeast; frankly those markets are not even an afterthought to the strategies the SEC, Big 12, and Big 10 are formulating (and acting on) to snatch all the college sports revenue.
 
 Once again, ACC football is as obsolete as Big East football, especially if they lose their power programs. What is the benefit of some of these teams leaving for the ACC at that point? I'd argue that the Big East actually would have better football programs if ACC loses teams like Fsu/Clemson, VTech etc. At least Big East has some solid Texas programs, amongst others. ACC is a football afterthought as well. They better get used to it.
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MCNPA, you keep saying this, but it's just not true. You and I might think ACC football is irrelevant, but fans and TV networks don't seem to agree.

The Big East football members get $6 million a year, ACC members get $17 mil. Maybe the BE gains a notch or two in the new contract, but they're not going to double their contract let alone come close to matching the ACC.
http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/61217/college-tv-rights-deals-undergo-makeovers

The BEST attendance for any remaining Big East school is Louisville at 46k per game, that's less than every team in the ACC except for BC or Duke. That means their "crappy" programs Virginia, North Carolina, Wake .. all draw more fans than the biggest Big East football program.

Even if the ACC were to lose Florida State and Clemson (which they won't), they're still relevant. Virginia Tech, Miami, Georgia Tech .. are all national programs. Those Texas programs were adding? SMU and Houston.. draw less fans than BC. Same for Boise. Meanwhile they're adding Pittsburgh who has history and draws 46k a game and we're adding Temple and Memphis who are equivalent to MAAC teams in football.
http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_records/Attendance/2011.pdf

ACC football makes twice as much money and draws twice as many fans, even without FSU and Clemson. It's not really close.
I hate the ACC as much as anyone, but within two years they'll have Connecticut and Cincinnati/Rutgers. I think that's pretty much a foregone conclusion at this point. So to say they're as irrelevant as BE football is letting your bias get the best of you.  
 
 Once again, ACC football is as obsolete as Big East football, especially if they lose their power programs. What is the benefit of some of these teams leaving for the ACC at that point? I'd argue that the Big East actually would have better football programs if ACC loses teams like Fsu/Clemson, VTech etc. At least Big East has some solid Texas programs, amongst others. ACC is a football afterthought as well. They better get used to it.
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MCNPA, you keep saying this, but it's just not true. You and I might think ACC football is irrelevant, but fans and TV networks don't seem to agree.

The Big East football members get $6 million a year, ACC members get $17 mil. Maybe the BE gains a notch or two in the new contract, but they're not going to double their contract let alone come close to matching the ACC.
http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/61217/college-tv-rights-deals-undergo-makeovers

The BEST attendance for any remaining Big East school is Louisville at 46k per game, that's less than every team in the ACC except for BC or Duke. That means their "crappy" programs Virginia, North Carolina, Wake .. all draw more fans than the biggest Big East football program.

Even if the ACC were to lose Florida State and Clemson (which they won't), they're still relevant. Virginia Tech, Miami, Georgia Tech .. are all national programs. Those Texas programs were adding? SMU and Houston.. draw less fans than BC. Same for Boise. Meanwhile they're adding Pittsburgh who has history and draws 46k a game and we're adding Temple and Memphis who are equivalent to MAAC teams in football.
http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_records/Attendance/2011.pdf

ACC football makes twice as much money and draws twice as many fans, even without FSU and Clemson. It's not really close.
I hate the ACC as much as anyone, but within two years they'll have Connecticut and Cincinnati/Rutgers. I think that's pretty much a foregone conclusion at this point. So to say they're as irrelevant as BE football is letting your bias get the best of you.  
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Temple a MAAC team? They destroyed Maryland last year. SMU destroyed Pitt. Houston destroyed Penn State. I'm talking about the ACC moving forward. If they lose their big schools, the will be as obsolete as the big east or worse. Teams like UCF and USF are improving rapidly and will be better than most of the ACC schools in a few years. Wake, Duke and the rest will be losers without Fsu and Clemson. You insist that those schools arent leaving for a Big 4 conference but you are totally wrong. They are dying to go and the Big 12 wants 2 more schools. I think it is going to happen. V-tech a threat to leave too.

You can't argue about their current contract and how it compares to ours when they haven t been raided yet. The ACC's football product isn't any better than the Big East and they will get hit with bigger defections than ours. Only 4 conferences will be running the show and they will be the SEC, PAC-12, Big10 and Big 12. If you're not one of those, you're on the outside looking in. That's the way it's headed.
 
The status of Boise St. and S D State are still question marks. Although agreeing to leave the Moutain West for the Big East, Boise thus far has been unable to find a home for its non-football sports. S.D. State is scheduled to join the Big West for bask., etc. The date for notifying the MWC is June 30, so we should know shortly if they are joining the Big East. A knowledgeable reporter out here thinks Boise St. will not jump, and that might convince S.D. St. to also reneg. The fee for leaving by June 30th is five million, after - 10 million.  
 
 Once again, ACC football is as obsolete as Big East football, especially if they lose their power programs. What is the benefit of some of these teams leaving for the ACC at that point? I'd argue that the Big East actually would have better football programs if ACC loses teams like Fsu/Clemson, VTech etc. At least Big East has some solid Texas programs, amongst others. ACC is a football afterthought as well. They better get used to it.
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MCNPA, you keep saying this, but it's just not true. You and I might think ACC football is irrelevant, but fans and TV networks don't seem to agree.

The Big East football members get $6 million a year, ACC members get $17 mil. Maybe the BE gains a notch or two in the new contract, but they're not going to double their contract let alone come close to matching the ACC.
http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/61217/college-tv-rights-deals-undergo-makeovers

The BEST attendance for any remaining Big East school is Louisville at 46k per game, that's less than every team in the ACC except for BC or Duke. That means their "crappy" programs Virginia, North Carolina, Wake .. all draw more fans than the biggest Big East football program.

ACC football makes twice as much money and draws twice as many fans, even without FSU and Clemson. It's not really close.
I hate the ACC as much as anyone, but within two years they'll have Connecticut and Cincinnati/Rutgers. I think that's pretty much a foregone conclusion at this point. So to say they're as irrelevant as BE football is letting your bias get the best of you.  
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MCNPA is not wrong. The ACC is as irrelevant in college football as the Big East. Yes, in the college football south they get 50,000 fans in one-horse towns but so what! It is TV money driving the bus....period. You cannot compare the ACC contract which was just signed to the Big East which has not negotiated yet.
The ACC is a basketball conference , as is the Big East. If you think they raided Syracuse and Pitt for football and that UCONN is a national football power, pass the hash pipe. Finally, look up the attendance records of BC and Miami and their impact on the national landscape since joining the ACC........the Big East found replacements and will do so again. If Clemson and FlaSt leave the ACC, they are no better than the Big East in football.
 
 I'll add that if the ACC loses schools like Fsu, Clemson, v-tech, the Big East is actually looking a lot better with rising powers in football like the two Florida schools USF and UCF as well as the two Texas program Houston and SMU. Those additions in massive football hotbeds actually keep the Big East in pretty spdecent stead and dare I say potentially a step ahead of the ACC. I think all four of the programs I mentioned are/will be better than Pitt and Syracuse at football, not to mention Temple already slaughtered Maryland last season. I think the only program to defect that really "won" was WVU who is in the Big 12 and in great shape. No wonder they were in a rush to get the ink dry. 

You were also wrong about attendance desco, wake averages in the low 30's attendance-wise. USF-47k, Rutgers 43k and Uconn 36k are all higher.
 
 Once again, ACC football is as obsolete as Big East football, especially if they lose their power programs. What is the benefit of some of these teams leaving for the ACC at that point? I'd argue that the Big East actually would have better football programs if ACC loses teams like Fsu/Clemson, VTech etc. At least Big East has some solid Texas programs, amongst others. ACC is a football afterthought as well. They better get used to it.
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MCNPA, you keep saying this, but it's just not true. You and I might think ACC football is irrelevant, but fans and TV networks don't seem to agree.

The Big East football members get $6 million a year, ACC members get $17 mil. Maybe the BE gains a notch or two in the new contract, but they're not going to double their contract let alone come close to matching the ACC.
http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/61217/college-tv-rights-deals-undergo-makeovers

The BEST attendance for any remaining Big East school is Louisville at 46k per game, that's less than every team in the ACC except for BC or Duke. That means their "crappy" programs Virginia, North Carolina, Wake .. all draw more fans than the biggest Big East football program.

Even if the ACC were to lose Florida State and Clemson (which they won't), they're still relevant. Virginia Tech, Miami, Georgia Tech .. are all national programs. Those Texas programs were adding? SMU and Houston.. draw less fans than BC. Same for Boise. Meanwhile they're adding Pittsburgh who has history and draws 46k a game and we're adding Temple and Memphis who are equivalent to MAAC teams in football.
http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_records/Attendance/2011.pdf

ACC football makes twice as much money and draws twice as many fans, even without FSU and Clemson. It's not really close.
I hate the ACC as much as anyone, but within two years they'll have Connecticut and Cincinnati/Rutgers. I think that's pretty much a foregone conclusion at this point. So to say they're as irrelevant as BE football is letting your bias get the best of you.  
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Temple a MAAC team? They destroyed Maryland last year. SMU destroyed Pitt. Houston destroyed Penn State. I'm talking about the ACC moving forward. If they lose their big schools, the will be as obsolete as the big east or worse. Teams like UCF and USF are improving rapidly and will be better than most of the ACC schools in a few years. Wake, Duke and the rest will be losers without Fsu and Clemson. You insist that those schools arent leaving for a Big 4 conference but you are totally wrong. They are dying to go and the Big 12 wants 2 more schools. I think it is going to happen. V-tech a threat to leave too.

You can't argue about their current contract and how it compares to ours when they haven t been raided yet. The ACC's football product isn't any better than the Big East and they will get hit with bigger defections than ours. Only 4 conferences will be running the show and they will be the SEC, PAC-12, Big10 and Big 12. If you're not one of those, you're on the outside looking in. That's the way it's headed.
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I agree with you and '72, that eventually college football is headed towards 4 super conferences. You're right.. that's obvious. And the process would have been sped up if the new playoff required conference champions only. But as it is.. were still a few ways off from that.

The ACC is a joke compared to the Big 10, and Pac12 and everyone is on a different level than the SEC. You're right about that. But the Big East is truly close to being irrelevant in football. And I have a family member who played at Boise last year. We're the new Conference USA. Our best teams are Boise, Houston and Louisville. Even if the ACC were to lose Clemson and Fla State, and I only say "if" because I think the Big 12 may take Fla State but not Clemson, and take Louisville instead or hold the spot open for ND. But even without Fla State the ACC still has teams who have vied for National Championships in Miami, Va Tech, Georgia Tech and now even Pittsburgh. And for as bad as Miami has been since they switched conferences, don't forget BC had pretty good years during the Matt Ryan era.
We (the big East) have no teams that have the fan support or the history of Miami, Virginia Tech etc.

And I understand the Big East's new contract is a question mark, but even if they were to double it (which I can't imagine they will) - they'd still be short of what the ACC makes. And the ACC has added Syracuse and Pittsburgh. We've added teams that can't draw 35k to games. Yes, Boise and Houston might be near major media markets .. but no one watches them. A conference would rather have West Virginia any day over Rutgers. So I can't see the Big East making all that much money with the new additions .. with the possible exception of Navy who has a national following.

Bottom line though, is you are right. And I should have said that before. The Big East and ACC are both in big trouble. The only difference I see, is that when they lose one or two teams they are going to reach back and take UCONN, Louisville, or Cincinnati. And at that point the Big East will be left to do do what? Add coastal Carolina?

In the next few years were going to lose 2 football schools probably, and ND for all other sports. At that point the BE as we know it is dead. I'm not particularly worried about SJU. Because basketball schools don't need a dominant conference to survive.. and we'll always be the only team in NYC. So we'll be fine.
But it will be upsetting when either the Big East folds, or it's made up of all former Conference USA teams.
 
 I also think the playoffs are terrible for college football. Which I'm sure isn't a popular opinion either.
 
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