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Terrible shot selection, and way too many fouls. I'd be willing to say he averages about a foul every 2 minutes on the court.
 
Like it or not, Mullin gives his players a chance to contribute. Looie liked to go 7 deep and that's it. He is slipping in Freudenberg and Amar, and obviously is giving Ellison every chance he can, including crunch time. In a rebuild season like this, it's no problem. If it's a bubble season, it will be maddening to the fan base.
 
It appears that the Christian Jones legend is growing by the day. All for a player that scored 8 points a game on a team with less talent than this year's version. My memory is good enough to recall a player that would make one good play on offense, and then turn the ball over the next 2 times he touched it. The team went 1-18 in conference last year with CJ getting 25 minutes a game. Guess he didn't help them all that much. .
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Yeah, Christian Jones is why they won one game last year. Good thinking.

This team needs a grown ass body and good hands who can score inside and rebound. Jones is exactly that player. If he was asked to leave it's Mullin's biggest mistake to date, because with him the front court would be mediocre. As opposed to awful, which is what it is now.
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If CJ is the missing piece, then next year will be a breeze. Forget worrying if Zach Brown qualifies or Marvin Clark shakes off the rust and improves on his 4 ppg career average. The staff just needs to find a 5th year senior who averaged 8 points, 5 boards and 2 turnovers in his "breakout" senior year. I'm not buying it. Apparently, neither was Mullin.
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Wow you really packed a lot of nonsense into five sentences. I count three strawmen and an argumentum ad verecundiam. That might be a record.

If you can't see that this team needs a grown ass man with a grown ass body playing inside, then you're either blind or stupid or blind and stupid. Jones averaged in his first full year of college basketball better than what earned Justin Burrell sixth man of the year in the old Big East. Coming off that first year he had enormous room to improve and every right to and even he hadn't he'd still be light years ahead of the stiffs we're running out there at present. Because they all stink and they're why we're losing to the Delaware States of the world.
 
I am not going to knock Amar. He has been a good soldier and a very positive teammate. I think the small amount of playing time that he is getting makes sense, and it gives him a chance to prove how he might help the team. I don't think it is impossible that Amar carves a role out for this year. We'll see.
 
johnny i wasn't knocking him at all, just think he's not being utilized correctly. Id treat him like my son gets treated in his travel lacrosse team....stupid ill advised shot, pull him and take a seat. Kids think twice if they want to play about what they do when they are in there
 
LOTS OF TALENT HE NEEDS TO RELAX ON THE COURT
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I feel that way about Freudenberg, who's played limited minutes in a handful of games. But a kid who's now in his third season and he hasn't learned to relax? If anything, he looks way too relaxed when he passes, when he forces up shots, and when he's (ahem) guarding his man. But he does have bulk, which our forecourt seriously lacks.
 
Somewhere Mark Fratto has to be proud that the 8-11th guy off the bench got a thread dedicated to him
 
I said it in another post and will repeat it here. Christian Jones played three games for UNLV and got hurt. It is not clear if and when he comes back. He is injury prone.
 
The problem with Amar is the coaching. He does what they want him to do.
 
It appears that the Christian Jones legend is growing by the day. All for a player that scored 8 points a game on a team with less talent than this year's version. My memory is good enough to recall a player that would make one good play on offense, and then turn the ball over the next 2 times he touched it. The team went 1-18 in conference last year with CJ getting 25 minutes a game. Guess he didn't help them all that much. .
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Yeah, Christian Jones is why they won one game last year. Good thinking.

This team needs a grown ass body and good hands who can score inside and rebound. Jones is exactly that player. If he was asked to leave it's Mullin's biggest mistake to date, because with him the front court would be mediocre. As opposed to awful, which is what it is now.
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If CJ is the missing piece, then next year will be a breeze. Forget worrying if Zach Brown qualifies or Marvin Clark shakes off the rust and improves on his 4 ppg career average. The staff just needs to find a 5th year senior who averaged 8 points, 5 boards and 2 turnovers in his "breakout" senior year. I'm not buying it. Apparently, neither was Mullin.
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Wow you really packed a lot of nonsense into five sentences. I count three strawmen and an argumentum ad verecundiam. That might be a record.

If you can't see that this team needs a grown ass man with a grown ass body playing inside, then you're either blind or stupid or blind and stupid. Jones averaged in his first full year of college basketball better than what earned Justin Burrell sixth man of the year in the old Big East. Coming off that first year he had enormous room to improve and every right to and even he hadn't he'd still be light years ahead of the stiffs we're running out there at present. Because they all stink and they're why we're losing to the Delaware States of the world.
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Christian Jones may have helped but it was crystal clear he was not going to play 33 minutes per game as he was at UNLV.  It is too early to know if Mullin is just as bone headed as Steve Lavin with a smaller vocabulary or if he can develop and coach the God awful talent he has recruited on the front line that we raved about last season. Perhaps the negative improvement by Sima and Yakwe would have extended to Jones.  Perhaps Jones would have injured his big toe and be out most of the season because in reality he was always a Mack Truck running on 4 cylinders.  Comparing Jones to Burrell is unfair to Burrell who played on a better and deeper team. Both underachieved at St. John's imo.  The great teacher Steve Lavin redshirted Jones and he never recovered from the splinters on his ass. 
The bigger question is why are Sima, a 3 star recruit and Yakwe, a 4 star, so mediocre playing for Mullin and staff thus far.  Is it a motivation issue. Are their egos deflated knowing both have been recruited over or maybe on a very bad team last year they just looked better and are nothing more than situational subs once better talent is on board. 
Perhaps Mullin can never be as successful as our previous coaches who actually knew how to use the white board because he has never coached anywhere and needs mostly 4 and 5 star players to have any hope of being as successful as a Creighton or Xavier who never get better than 3 and 4 star players.  Perhaps Matt's strength of recruiting JC and transfers is not as good a fit at St. John's as at Iowa State.  Matt could not deliver on a 5th year bull that went elsewhere and Darien Williams has been a disaster.  Bottom line is we will not know until next year and Christian Jones will be ancient history by next November and hopefully Mullin can convince a couple of 5 star players he pursuing to join Ponds and Lovett because without that caliber of players we may all be in for more frustration and disappointment for us fans that would have been subjected to yet another rebuilding scam after the previous five plus years of rebuilding scams by Norm and Lavin.  
If, after 16 years, St. John's has the audacity to keep raising ticket prices while the older fans are dieing off and the younger fans don't have memories of any success, the program will die a slow natural death. In the end, it will have been a huge waste of resources in the greatest city in the country where playing in the world's greatest arena in front of 7,000 fans became more of an embarrassment than a source of long term pride.
 
The problem with Amar is the coaching. He does what they want him to do.
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Not guard his man, move when he sets picks, make lazy cross-court passes, come into the game cold off the bench and immediately launch a three-point shot? What coach is telling him to do that?
 
It appears that the Christian Jones legend is growing by the day. All for a player that scored 8 points a game on a team with less talent than this year's version. My memory is good enough to recall a player that would make one good play on offense, and then turn the ball over the next 2 times he touched it. The team went 1-18 in conference last year with CJ getting 25 minutes a game. Guess he didn't help them all that much. .
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Yeah, Christian Jones is why they won one game last year. Good thinking.

This team needs a grown ass body and good hands who can score inside and rebound. Jones is exactly that player. If he was asked to leave it's Mullin's biggest mistake to date, because with him the front court would be mediocre. As opposed to awful, which is what it is now.
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If CJ is the missing piece, then next year will be a breeze. Forget worrying if Zach Brown qualifies or Marvin Clark shakes off the rust and improves on his 4 ppg career average. The staff just needs to find a 5th year senior who averaged 8 points, 5 boards and 2 turnovers in his "breakout" senior year. I'm not buying it. Apparently, neither was Mullin.
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Wow you really packed a lot of nonsense into five sentences. I count three strawmen and an argumentum ad verecundiam. That might be a record.

If you can't see that this team needs a grown ass man with a grown ass body playing inside, then you're either blind or stupid or blind and stupid. Jones averaged in his first full year of college basketball better than what earned Justin Burrell sixth man of the year in the old Big East. Coming off that first year he had enormous room to improve and every right to and even he hadn't he'd still be light years ahead of the stiffs we're running out there at present. Because they all stink and they're why we're losing to the Delaware States of the world.
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I knew a guy who had a bad case of ad verecundiam. If it doesn't clear up, you may want to try penicillin. Meanwhile, when that gets better, you should take your beef up with Mullin, who had the advantage of coaching CJ and seeing plenty of him. The team needs a big body inside that can score or rebound. No argument there. Would CJ add a win or 2. Maybe, maybe not. If he got 20 minutes a game, would that limit whatever knowledge and experience Freud and Yakwe would have received from the minutes CJ could have taken away before he departs after the season for Turkey or Indonesia? I'd rather give the young guys a chance and hope they learn something and improve next season when expectations, and hopes, are higher.
 
It appears that the Christian Jones legend is growing by the day. All for a player that scored 8 points a game on a team with less talent than this year's version. My memory is good enough to recall a player that would make one good play on offense, and then turn the ball over the next 2 times he touched it. The team went 1-18 in conference last year with CJ getting 25 minutes a game. Guess he didn't help them all that much. .
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Yeah, Christian Jones is why they won one game last year. Good thinking.

This team needs a grown ass body and good hands who can score inside and rebound. Jones is exactly that player. If he was asked to leave it's Mullin's biggest mistake to date, because with him the front court would be mediocre. As opposed to awful, which is what it is now.
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If CJ is the missing piece, then next year will be a breeze. Forget worrying if Zach Brown qualifies or Marvin Clark shakes off the rust and improves on his 4 ppg career average. The staff just needs to find a 5th year senior who averaged 8 points, 5 boards and 2 turnovers in his "breakout" senior year. I'm not buying it. Apparently, neither was Mullin.
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Wow you really packed a lot of nonsense into five sentences. I count three strawmen and an argumentum ad verecundiam. That might be a record.

If you can't see that this team needs a grown ass man with a grown ass body playing inside, then you're either blind or stupid or blind and stupid. Jones averaged in his first full year of college basketball better than what earned Justin Burrell sixth man of the year in the old Big East. Coming off that first year he had enormous room to improve and every right to and even he hadn't he'd still be light years ahead of the stiffs we're running out there at present. Because they all stink and they're why we're losing to the Delaware States of the world.
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Christian Jones may have helped but it was crystal clear he was not going to play 33 minutes per game as he was at UNLV.  It is too early to know if Mullin is just as bone headed as Steve Lavin with a smaller vocabulary or if he can develop and coach the God awful talent he has recruited on the front line that we raved about last season. Perhaps the negative improvement by Sima and Yakwe would have extended to Jones.  Perhaps Jones would have injured his big toe and be out most of the season because in reality he was always a Mack Truck running on 4 cylinders.  Comparing Jones to Burrell is unfair to Burrell who played on a better and deeper team. Both underachieved at St. John's imo.  The great teacher Steve Lavin redshirted Jones and he never recovered from the splinters on his ass. 
The bigger question is why are Sima, a 3 star recruit and Yakwe, a 4 star, so mediocre playing for Mullin and staff thus far.  Is it a motivation issue. Are their egos deflated knowing both have been recruited over or maybe on a very bad team last year they just looked better and are nothing more than situational subs once better talent is on board. 
Perhaps Mullin can never be as successful as our previous coaches who actually knew how to use the white board because he has never coached anywhere and needs mostly 4 and 5 star players to have any hope of being as successful as a Creighton or Xavier who never get better than 3 and 4 star players.  Perhaps Matt's strength of recruiting JC and transfers is not as good a fit at St. John's as at Iowa State.  Matt could not deliver on a 5th year bull that went elsewhere and Darien Williams has been a disaster.  Bottom line is we will not know until next year and Christian Jones will be ancient history by next November and hopefully Mullin can convince a couple of 5 star players he pursuing to join Ponds and Lovett because without that caliber of players we may all be in for more frustration and disappointment for us fans that would have been subjected to yet another rebuilding scam after the previous five plus years of rebuilding scams by Norm and Lavin.  
If, after 16 years, St. John's has the audacity to keep raising ticket prices while the older fans are dieing off and the younger fans don't have memories of any success, the program will die a slow natural death. In the end, it will have been a huge waste of resources in the greatest city in the country where playing in the world's greatest arena in front of 7,000 fans became more of an embarrassment than a source of long term pride.
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The problem with Amar is the coaching. He does what they want him to do.
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Not guard his man, move when he sets picks, make lazy cross-court passes, come into the game cold off the bench and immediately launch a three-point shot? What coach is telling him to do that?
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Maybe the right question is what are the coaches telling him to do.
 
Is our Mullin/Matt recruited front line so horrible that we have to devote a thread to Amar Alibegovic, a Steve Lavin recruit? Since when is a 9th man on a team critical? Yakwe, Sima, Owens, Williams, Freudenberg and Bashir Ahmed are the 6 guys that were supposed to be more talented and important to the team's success this season. :dry:

[strike]Chris Obekpa[/strike] Darien Williams at 6'8 looked great in the scrimmage. But like all of the aforementioned, none seem to have any idea of what it takes to play defense. Freudenberg gets a pass because he is so wet behind the ears. If 5 of M&M's recruits are so irrelevant why are we discussing Amar? Next year we have 3 more recruits who had previously committed to their other dream schools before deciding to hopefully get another chance by being "coached" by two NBA Hall of Fame players. So far, thankfully Marcus Lovett decided to keep his commitment to coming to St. John's and Shamorie Ponds wanted to stay home instead of Providence because if none of M&M's can contribute then the problem may not be Amar Alibegovic or Chris Jones.
 
Is our Mullin/Matt recruited front line so horrible that we have to devote a thread to Amar Alibegovic, a Steve Lavin recruit? Since when is a 9th man on a team critical? Yakwe, Sima, Owens, Williams, Freudenberg and Bashir Ahmed are the 6 guys that were supposed to be more talented and important to the team's success this season. :dry:

[strike]Chris Obekpa[/strike] Darien Williams at 6'8 looked great in the scrimmage. But like all of the aforementioned, none seem to have any idea of what it takes to play defense. Freudenberg gets a pass because he is so wet behind the ears. If 5 of M&M's recruits are so irrelevant why are we discussing Amar? Next year we have 3 more recruits who had previously committed to their other dream schools before deciding to hopefully get another chance by being "coached" by two NBA Hall of Fame players. So far, thankfully Marcus Lovett decided to keep his commitment to coming to St. John's and Shamorie Ponds wanted to stay home instead of Providence because if none of M&M's can contribute then the problem may not be Amar Alibegovic or Chris Jones.
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I will always appreciate the 11th hour work M&M did closing on Ponds as Providence made huge strides down the stretch. Thought of not having him is cringe worthy.
 
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