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[quote="Jack Williams" post=280341]I am concerned about what Tariq had to say about why he is leaving the program.

Yes, he said the team failed to accomplish what they wanted to accomplish. They didn't win enough. So I understand the comments were made while looking in the rear-view.

However, I am concerned Tariq decided to leave because maybe he knows Shamorie does not plan on returning, in which case I don't blame him, because we will struggle and be in the basement of the Big East without Shamorie next season.

Time will tell[/quote]+

Not a social media guy but didn't some on here hint that Owens dad was annoyed that Ponds shot too much? So I doubt this move had any bearing on Ponds leaving.
 
Now that the truth is out on Owens and the mantra seems to be "if things aren't working out just quit", we are better off without him. We've had two quitters who were starters. We need better recruiting to find committed guys.
 
[quote="Delaware" post=280411][quote="Knight" post=280370]Two steps forward, two steps back.
We are, St. John's![/quote]

Not trying to be difficult, but where are the 2 steps forward?[/quote]

Duke and Villanova. Ponds and Simon.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=280419]Now that the truth is out on Owens and the mantra seems to be "if things aren't working out just quit", we are better off without him. We've had two quitters who were starters. We need better recruiting to find committed guys.[/quote]

In no world are we better off without Owens. He never quit on the court and he was well within his right to transfer. Keep in mind it took injury/quitting for Owens to even become a starter. Mullin trotted out the 4 guard and Clark lineup as long as he could. Owens did not complain one bit during the season.

When it was over we told the staff he was going to weigh is option then he left. I don't know see how there is any fault in that.
 
Posts here and on JJ are worthy of the Soap Operas that prolifetate on early afternoon TV . Posters speculate on Owens comments as if they mean something that justifies their dislike of Mullin , the Staff and their Amateur analysis of what needs to be done with the Program . Much of the far out is one poster answerring another , disagreeing with another, insulting 2 others, etc . Here’s a few examples : Owens final comments might mean Ponds is leaving . Mike Rice needs to be added to the Staff before some other Program gobbles up a Guy who hasn’t gotten a Whiff of any College job in 4 years . Here’s another , the Big 12 is more physical than the Big East and only G’town plays a physical game . Guess that Poster missed seeing Xavier play any games this year or, didn’t watch Spellman and Paschall bang Wagner around like a kewpie doll for the last 35 minutes of the Championship game ? A few more. Mullin is lazy and sits on the Scorer’s table . Probably means something ? 5 th Year transfers must mean the Player is dissatisfied with his current team and that is the Coach’s fault . Owens leaving is , of course , Mullins fault . Which flies in the face of what likely will be the Team’s focus next Season of Ponds, Simon and Clarke being the 3 major Scoring Options and leaving Owens to force his often off target Shot out of frustration . Tariq’s shot from the Elbow or corner just arent the stuff that make anyone want him to shoot more . Maybe Texas Tech thinks giving him 12-15 shots a game is a key to winning ? Forgetting that he doesn’t rebound his misses or, bang inside . And , other than shot blockimg 1 or 2 a game , isn’t a sterling Defender . But , is good at accumulating a lot of silly fouls on the Perimeter . Very early in too many games . Obviously , When Rick Barnes , no shrinking violet as a BB Coach took over at Tenn, he most have seen very little in Tariq’s game that appealed to him . Hence , Owens coming here . And , even the most ardent naysayers should admit that the Staff did get Owens to contribute in a meaningful way . The Pick and roll that Mullin employed with Ponds and Owens didn’t evolve from thin air . And , it gave Tariq opportunity to score more than he would have . The 5th Year transfer is a strategy to be used by Team’s to bolster their existing Roster . How valuable was Rowsey to Marqette this Year . Or , Kanter to Xavier? Answer , very . Texas Tech, obviously blew a lot of Lubbock smoke up Tariq and Dad’s rear end . Credit to Mullin for not being extorted to do something next season in response to a Player’s demands . Ponds , Simon and Clarke are going to have big seasons , The new additions will supplement that focus . Yakwe ? One would think Yakwe was a potential BE player of the Year candidate the way some posters moaned about losing him . And , it was Mullin’s fault that he didn’t develop him further . Develop what ? His bad hands , His awful shot ? His lack of fundamental BB skills ? His inane and untimely fouling ?
 
Seventy-Seven pages titled for a guy who walked away from our program and committed to another school. When is enough, enough?
 
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Good saying

You will never know how close you were to success if you give up.

Owens gave up.

If Ponds comes back with the depth we added with Owens we were going to have a good team next year.
 
[quote="Jack Williams" post=280341]I am concerned about what Tariq had to say about why he is leaving the program.

Yes, he said the team failed to accomplish what they wanted to accomplish. They didn't win enough. So I understand the comments were made while looking in the rear-view.

However, I am concerned Tariq decided to leave because maybe he knows Shamorie does not plan on returning, in which case I don't blame him, because we will struggle and be in the basement of the Big East without Shamorie next season.

Time will tell[/quote]

I think the opposite. TO wants more touches and shots and more than 8 ppg He saw how productive he could be those few games he played when Ponds was hurt. Maybe he knows ponds will be back and wants to be more of the focus of an offense. Lets see how it plays out. If a kid is unhappy I would rather not have him here. 3 teams in 4 years nuff said I think we can replace 8/6/3
 
Just because a 6'11 guy scores 13 points while stationing himself 25 feet from the basket doesn't mean he played a good game. Take note, Renard.
 
[quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=280436]Posts here and on JJ are worthy of the Soap Operas that prolifetate on early afternoon TV . Posters speculate on Owens comments as if they mean something that justifies their dislike of Mullin , the Staff and their Amateur analysis of what needs to be done with the Program . Much of the far out is one poster answerring another , disagreeing with another, insulting 2 others, etc . Here’s a few examples : Owens final comments might mean Ponds is leaving . Mike Rice needs to be added to the Staff before some other Program gobbles up a Guy who hasn’t gotten a Whiff of any College job in 4 years . Here’s another , the Big 12 is more physical than the Big East and only G’town plays a physical game . Guess that Poster missed seeing Xavier play any games this year or, didn’t watch Spellman and Paschall bang Wagner around like a kewpie doll for the last 35 minutes of the Championship game ? A few more. Mullin is lazy and sits on the Scorer’s table . Probably means something ? 5 th Year transfers must mean the Player is dissatisfied with his current team and that is the Coach’s fault . Owens leaving is , of course , Mullins fault . Which flies in the face of what likely will be the Team’s focus next Season of Ponds, Simon and Clarke being the 3 major Scoring Options and leaving Owens to force his often off target Shot out of frustration . Tariq’s shot from the Elbow or corner just arent the stuff that make anyone want him to shoot more . Maybe Texas Tech thinks giving him 12-15 shots a game is a key to winning ? Forgetting that he doesn’t rebound his misses or, bang inside . And , other than shot blockimg 1 or 2 a game , isn’t a sterling Defender . But , is good at accumulating a lot of silly fouls on the Perimeter . Very early in too many games . Obviously , When Rick Barnes , no shrinking violet as a BB Coach took over at Tenn, he most have seen very little in Tariq’s game that appealed to him . Hence , Owens coming here . And , even the most ardent naysayers should admit that the Staff did get Owens to contribute in a meaningful way . The Pick and roll that Mullin employed with Ponds and Owens didn’t evolve from thin air . And , it gave Tariq opportunity to score more than he would have . The 5th Year transfer is a strategy to be used by Team’s to bolster their existing Roster . How valuable was Rowsey to Marqette this Year . Or , Kanter to Xavier? Answer , very . Texas Tech, obviously blew a lot of Lubbock smoke up Tariq and Dad’s rear end . Credit to Mullin for not being extorted to do something next season in response to a Player’s demands . Ponds , Simon and Clarke are going to have big seasons , The new additions will supplement that focus . Yakwe ? One would think Yakwe was a potential BE player of the Year candidate the way some posters moaned about losing him . And , it was Mullin’s fault that he didn’t develop him further . Develop what ? His bad hands , His awful shot ? His lack of fundamental BB skills ? His inane and untimely fouling ?[/quote] how come you never responded to he threads I pointed out to you proving I wasn't negative during the winning streak or for the season the most part ?
 
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[quote="mjmaherjr" post=280461][quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=280436]Posts here and on JJ are worthy of the Soap Operas that prolifetate on early afternoon TV . Posters speculate on Owens comments as if they mean something that justifies their dislike of Mullin , the Staff and their Amateur analysis of what needs to be done with the Program . Much of the far out is one poster answerring another , disagreeing with another, insulting 2 others, etc . Here’s a few examples : Owens final comments might mean Ponds is leaving . Mike Rice needs to be added to the Staff before some other Program gobbles up a Guy who hasn’t gotten a Whiff of any College job in 4 years . Here’s another , the Big 12 is more physical than the Big East and only G’town plays a physical game . Guess that Poster missed seeing Xavier play any games this year or, didn’t watch Spellman and Paschall bang Wagner around like a kewpie doll for the last 35 minutes of the Championship game ? A few more. Mullin is lazy and sits on the Scorer’s table . Probably means something ? 5 th Year transfers must mean the Player is dissatisfied with his current team and that is the Coach’s fault . Owens leaving is , of course , Mullins fault . Which flies in the face of what likely will be the Team’s focus next Season of Ponds, Simon and Clarke being the 3 major Scoring Options and leaving Owens to force his often off target Shot out of frustration . Tariq’s shot from the Elbow or corner just arent the stuff that make anyone want him to shoot more . Maybe Texas Tech thinks giving him 12-15 shots a game is a key to winning ? Forgetting that he doesn’t rebound his misses or, bang inside . And , other than shot blockimg 1 or 2 a game , isn’t a sterling Defender . But , is good at accumulating a lot of silly fouls on the Perimeter . Very early in too many games . Obviously , When Rick Barnes , no shrinking violet as a BB Coach took over at Tenn, he most have seen very little in Tariq’s game that appealed to him . Hence , Owens coming here . And , even the most ardent naysayers should admit that the Staff did get Owens to contribute in a meaningful way . The Pick and roll that Mullin employed with Ponds and Owens didn’t evolve from thin air . And , it gave Tariq opportunity to score more than he would have . The 5th Year transfer is a strategy to be used by Team’s to bolster their existing Roster . How valuable was Rowsey to Marqette this Year . Or , Kanter to Xavier? Answer , very . Texas Tech, obviously blew a lot of Lubbock smoke up Tariq and Dad’s rear end . Credit to Mullin for not being extorted to do something next season in response to a Player’s demands . Ponds , Simon and Clarke are going to have big seasons , The new additions will supplement that focus . Yakwe ? One would think Yakwe was a potential BE player of the Year candidate the way some posters moaned about losing him . And , it was Mullin’s fault that he didn’t develop him further . Develop what ? His bad hands , His awful shot ? His lack of fundamental BB skills ? His inane and untimely fouling ?[/quote]

how come you never responded to he threads I pointed out to you proving I wasn't negative during the winning streak or for the season the most part ?[/quote]

Remember, as much as he tries to paint the picture of several having an agenda, it's actually him who has the agenda. Besides, he invents and exaggerates a lot of his material, so why would you expect him to come back and admit anything?
 
Mjmaher, I don’t recall seeing your posts you refer to but, I would say this , I don’t agree with a overall Assessment on Mullin and Staff that has hijacked this Board and a lot of JJ too. I do recall a seemingly continual commentary from you , last year and this about Mullin sitting on the Scorer’s table or not wearing a tie . More importantly and I admit to this , anyone who remotely supports any posts here or there that come from Dinkins gets my disapproval . He is as bad as Fun in his prime and gets no admonishment , other than the occasional censure which he admits to , in spewing forth the most insulting personal statements for years and years and years . Attributing guilt by association to anyone remotely agreeing with anything he says is probably a failing of mine and I should not lump people together for supporting his crap . If I inappropriately placed you in that category , I withdraw your name from that negative commentary . But, I do perceive you as a non supporter of the Mullin era and that is your opinion to post . The most important thing looking to next season is Ponds , Simon and Clarke ! Anyone and everyone else plays a supporting role . One would think losing Owens and Yakwe are taking BE All Stars from our lineup according to some posters . That is laughable . Touting Mike Rice as a savior for our Coaching Staff is another joke . He failed at Rutgers for a host of reasons and why that would qualify him for anything here is beyond comprehension . Why take a chance ? No one else has in 4 Years ! But, back to your post . If I offended you , it was in a moment of thoughtlessness on my part . I only respond in kind to the one Idiot on here that always takes the cheap personal shot . And, of the 11 game slide in January , possibly 3 and more likely 4 could have been Wins , as they were closely contested , except PC and the first DePaul game . We were close to beating Nova in the Garden, should have had 2 wins against Gtown , but Yakwe snipped that . Xavier at home was close too . Both , Hall games could have easily gone either way . Alas , they did not but, if we went 8-10 in the BE in essentially Mullins 2nd season and had a over 500 overall record , would all the negativity remain . Mullin secured Ponds , Simon and Clarke coming here , which was no small accomplishment . He had planned on a Lovett - Ponds backcourt duo that would have given fits to opponents and likely been the most heralded pair in College B.B. last season . How do you account for a player quitting mid season on his teammates . And , how much bitching do we hear from Ponds, Simon or Clarke ? None ! They believe in Mullin and the Staff even if some fans don’t .
 
SLYFOX can you please make your posts a little shorter so that I can skip over them quicker. Thanks in advance for your consideration of this matter.
 
[quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=280502]Mjmaher, I don’t recall seeing your posts you refer to but, I would say this , I don’t agree with a overall Assessment on Mullin and Staff that has hijacked this Board and a lot of JJ too. I do recall a seemingly continual commentary from you , last year and this about Mullin sitting on the Scorer’s table or not wearing a tie . More importantly and I admit to this , anyone who remotely supports any posts here or there that come from Dinkins gets my disapproval . He is as bad as Fun in his prime and gets no admonishment , other than the occasional censure which he admits to , in spewing forth the most insulting personal statements for years and years and years . Attributing guilt by association to anyone remotely agreeing with anything he says is probably a failing of mine and I should not lump people together for supporting his crap . If I inappropriately placed you in that category , I withdraw your name from that negative commentary . But, I do perceive you as a non supporter of the Mullin era and that is your opinion to post . The most important thing looking to next season is Ponds , Simon and Clarke ! Anyone and everyone else plays a supporting role . One would think losing Owens and Yakwe are taking BE All Stars from our lineup according to some posters . That is laughable . Touting Mike Rice as a savior for our Coaching Staff is another joke . He failed at Rutgers for a host of reasons and why that would qualify him for anything here is beyond comprehension . Why take a chance ? No one else has in 4 Years ! But, back to your post . If I offended you , it was in a moment of thoughtlessness on my part . I only respond in kind to the one Idiot on here that always takes the cheap personal shot . And, of the 11 game slide in January , possibly 3 and more likely 4 could have been Wins , as they were closely contested , except PC and the first DePaul game . We were close to beating Nova in the Garden, should have had 2 wins against Gtown , but Yakwe snipped that . Xavier at home was close too . Both , Hall games could have easily gone either way . Alas , they did not but, if we went 8-10 in the BE in essentially Mullins 2nd season and had a over 500 overall record , would all the negativity remain . Mullin secured Ponds , Simon and Clarke coming here , which was no small accomplishment . He had planned on a Lovett - Ponds backcourt duo that would have given fits to opponents and likely been the most heralded pair in College B.B. last season . How do you account for a player quitting mid season on his teammates . And , how much bitching do we hear from Ponds, Simon or Clarke ? None ! They believe in Mullin and the Staff even if some fans don’t .[/quote]

Haha! I can only laugh at your foolishness. Really, it's funny. If you think I'm anything like Fun, then you're more sillier than I thought. LOL That is rather funny.

You're the dude that loathes a man whom you didn't have any daily interaction with, and comes on here several times a week to regurgitate the same folly and indirectly AND directly ridicule posters. But you want so badly to make me the "bad guy." Ha! Can we say hypocrite?

You're just ticked at me because I exposed you for what and who you are as a person. You rarely, if ever, use any sound logic or facts when you say anything on here. You clearly have an agenda and it's distinctly apparent.

If my responses to your posts bothers you so much, then I suggest you stop posting or STFU.
 
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[quote="bamafan" post=280505]SLYFOX can you please make your posts a little shorter so that I can skip over them quicker. Thanks in advance for your consideration of this matter.[/quote]

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[quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=280502]Mjmaher, I don’t recall seeing your posts you refer to but, I would say this , I don’t agree with a overall Assessment on Mullin and Staff that has hijacked this Board and a lot of JJ too. I do recall a seemingly continual commentary from you , last year and this about Mullin sitting on the Scorer’s table or not wearing a tie . More importantly and I admit to this , anyone who remotely supports any posts here or there that come from Dinkins gets my disapproval . He is as bad as Fun in his prime and gets no admonishment , other than the occasional censure which he admits to , in spewing forth the most insulting personal statements for years and years and years . Attributing guilt by association to anyone remotely agreeing with anything he says is probably a failing of mine and I should not lump people together for supporting his crap . If I inappropriately placed you in that category , I withdraw your name from that negative commentary . But, I do perceive you as a non supporter of the Mullin era and that is your opinion to post . The most important thing looking to next season is Ponds , Simon and Clarke ! Anyone and everyone else plays a supporting role . One would think losing Owens and Yakwe are taking BE All Stars from our lineup according to some posters . That is laughable . Touting Mike Rice as a savior for our Coaching Staff is another joke . He failed at Rutgers for a host of reasons and why that would qualify him for anything here is beyond comprehension . Why take a chance ? No one else has in 4 Years ! But, back to your post . If I offended you , it was in a moment of thoughtlessness on my part . I only respond in kind to the one Idiot on here that always takes the cheap personal shot . And, of the 11 game slide in January , possibly 3 and more likely 4 could have been Wins , as they were closely contested , except PC and the first DePaul game . We were close to beating Nova in the Garden, should have had 2 wins against Gtown , but Yakwe snipped that . Xavier at home was close too . Both , Hall games could have easily gone either way . Alas , they did not but, if we went 8-10 in the BE in essentially Mullins 2nd season and had a over 500 overall record , would all the negativity remain . Mullin secured Ponds , Simon and Clarke coming here , which was no small accomplishment . He had planned on a Lovett - Ponds backcourt duo that would have given fits to opponents and likely been the most heralded pair in College B.B. last season . How do you account for a player quitting mid season on his teammates . And , how much bitching do we hear from Ponds, Simon or Clarke ? None ! They believe in Mullin and the Staff even if some fans don’t .[/quote] Again you are wrong so you might as well not mention my name again ever. I wasn’t harping on the scorers table last year because it was year one where he was doing it a lot. Actually last year I wasn’t really negative either so show me all my posts from last year going crazy about the scorers table. Other posters already told you that you are wrong about my being negative all the time. Do I get negative at times? Absolutely! Especially in regards to the recruiting situation with lack of multiple assistants recruiting actively. But I don’t post negativity incessantly and I click like on Dinkins posts and a hell of a lot of other posters when they write something I I might agree with or make me laugh or even when I don’t agree with but they make a good point that I might not have thought of. So do the world a favor and don’t mention me ever again unless you want to respond to one of my actual posts which I don’t mind at all
 
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[quote="bamafan" post=280505]SLYFOX can you please make your posts a little shorter so that I can skip over them quicker. Thanks in advance for your consideration of this matter.[/quote]

With every post he makes, I feel like I'm reading a new letter from the Zodiac to the San Francisco Chronicle.
 
[quote="L J S A" post=280518][quote="bamafan" post=280505]SLYFOX can you please make your posts a little shorter so that I can skip over them quicker. Thanks in advance for your consideration of this matter.[/quote]

With every post he makes, I feel like I'm reading a new letter from the Zodiac to the San Francisco Chronicle.[/quote]

That is funny. Guy on JJ posts remind me of Son of Sam's letters to Breslin
 
I read almost every post because of my OCD but there are quickly becoming several that I can now skip. Maybe its a breakthrough.
 
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