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SJU85 said:
The argument about the red uniforms, true or not, loses validity and all weight, when you have used Mascots wearing Indian costumes dating back to the 40’s, when you use to drag out a wooden Indian named Blackjack that was obtained from a smoke shop, used logos depicting an Indian (the Crazy Indian) dribbling a basketball, holding a baseball glove with a baseball on it and an Indian head on the back of your basketball warmups. Based on all of that, the past actions leads to the association of the name Redmen and American Indians even with the failed attempt to change it to a guy wearing a red tuxedo.

To go back to that name or copyright it would go against every reason the University changed the nickname and I don’t see that happening.

Footnote. What nickname do you give the Women’s teams which out number the Men’s teams?
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I don't think the red uniforms argument loses any validity. I don't think the school thought that plastering a football player clad in red on the back of the basketball warm-ups was a good idea and I doubt the school thought that having a football player clad in a red uniform was going to catch on when he/she was leading cheers at half court. So instead, St. John's probably thought it was a good idea to use Blackjack and a facsimile of a Native American on the uniforms was a good idea especially at that time when this was not controversial. My final point. Wasn't Joe Lapchick's nickname the "Big Chief"?
 
CBA69 said:
I don't think the red uniforms argument loses any validity. I don't think the school thought that plastering a football player clad in red on the back of the basketball warm-ups was a good idea and I doubt the school thought that having a football player clad in a red uniform was going to catch on when he/she was leading cheers at half court. So instead, St. John's probably thought it was a good idea to use Blackjack and a facsimile of a Native American on the uniforms was a good idea especially at that time when this was not controversial. My final point. Wasn't Joe Lapchick's nickname the "Big Chief"?
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It most certainly does lose validity when your whole image in terms of mascots and eventually logos for 50 years was associated with an Indian. Not the fact that your football team use to wear all red uniforms before Television was invented. The thinking behind it is irrelevant as it happened and that is what you became.

I am not sure what your point about Joe Lapchick’s nickname is or has anything to do with the team’s nickname other than the possibility it had to do with him being tall, the head coach of the St. John’s Redmen and their mascot being an Indian. With him being in charge like a Chief. I have no idea if that was how or why he got his nickname nor do I know (or care) how Robert Parrish was given the same nickname.

To be clear, I really didn’t care about the name change. IIRC without digging it out, I am pretty sure my dIploma says St. John’s University and Redmen does not appear anywhere on it. St. John’s is the name that matters to me.

As for going back to Redmen after all these years, regardless of whether or not you agreed with the change, would be a bad look and hypocritical based on the reasoning the University gave for the change. Again whether or not you agree with the reasons given or not, those reasons have not changed.
 
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