ACC and MSG Chatter picking up
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I am not sure if you are just playing devil's advocate or you actually believe the crap you propose at this juncture of the realignment!
According to your thinking, all these Big East schools, including the C7, have just been spinning their wheels waiting for that great opportunity to become......DRUM ROLL.......the old Big East again, with MSG as their tourney home, with Cuse, Lville, Pitt, ND, BC, Miami, Uconn, Gtown, Nova, SJ with the addition of the only two basketball icons of the ACC, Duke and UNC!!!
Original thoughts such as yours make me think that something called the WHEEL is just around the corner as the next great thing in transportation.
Since all of this collegiate prostitution of the only two sports that raise revenue on the college level is about MONEY, what advantage is there for the C7 to be part of a football alliance??
Will they earn more than $4 million to just play basketball in the ACC??? If not, explain your position to just recreate the old Big East....with football still driving the bus?
Does it dawn on you that Duke and Syracuse still have to fund 80 football scholarships and a dozen coaches to stay irrelevant in football?
As for Syracuse, ND and Louisville......F them!
In addition to Xavier, Butler , Creighton and maybe Dayton and ST. Louis, the Big East would be much better if they added UConn, Memphis and Temple. I know their football schools, but Temple and Memphis ain't going anywhere with their football and UCONN won't get into the ACC because of Boston College and AG Blumenthal. Maybe the Big East doesn't wanna announce anything hoping that those 3 football schools come to their senses and ask to join the new BE. Even if one of those schools leave it'll be no big deal and having those schools will make us more competetive with the other conferences namely the ACC. Maybe those other 3 schools waited for their big pay day from the BE and now they'll jump ship to the new BE.
I won't pretend to understand the commercial arrangements associated with renting MSG...The rent is the rent...and, as far as attendance goes, 19K is 19K regardless of whether they come from Carolina or Providence...So, unless it comes down to a non-financial reason or someone believes that new BE won't fill MSG, I don't see why there would be added attraction...again, maybe I am missing something
I won't pretend to understand the commercial arrangement that underlies MSG rental...But, rent is rent...19K is 19K...So, unless there is a belief that the new BE won't sell out MSG, I don't see the incremental financial benefit to MSG
Again, maybe I am missing something
Again, maybe I am missing something
jerseyshorejohnny
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Maybe The ACC should move their tournament to Miami.
South Beach, great weather, plently of "scenery".
Play at The American Airlines Arena.
Don't think Syracuse fans would mind heading to South Florida vs Greensboro in March.
Would think everybody (Big East and ACC) would be happy.
South Beach, great weather, plently of "scenery".
Play at The American Airlines Arena.
Don't think Syracuse fans would mind heading to South Florida vs Greensboro in March.
Would think everybody (Big East and ACC) would be happy.
Personally, I don't care if the football schools mentioned would make our new conference stronger. They can go anywhere, just not with us. For years, the football schools tolerated us. They treated us like second class citizens. Now we have 7 like minded schools and soon to grow to 10 and then probably 12. I don't even want to hear about football schools in the same breath as the BIG EAST. We have our freedom from them, now we can concentrate on making it a very strong Basketball and other olympic sport conference. They literally bled us for that freedom, now they can go play with their pointed ball. Goodbye and good riddance.
NYCRedmen
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So now Jay Bilas is chiming in. Have you ever heard so many cry babies.
http://zagsblog.com/articles/bilas-acc-tournament-to-msg-is-inevitable/#more-91382
http://zagsblog.com/articles/bilas-acc-tournament-to-msg-is-inevitable/#more-91382
As St. John's fans, living here in NYC, it is our duty to truly make MSG our home. We need to pack it for every home game. If we, as the Big East representative, reestablish ourselves in the Garden, then it becomes harder for other teams/conferences to intrude. We need to commit ourselves to attending as many games as possible.
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Jay Bilas is an ACC whore!
Let's see -------Syracuse, Pitt, ND, BC, Miami, Va Tech, Louisville......oh, and Duke and UNC.......would be great at MSG?
That is the old Big East you moron with the only 2 ACC teams that have brand recognition in NYC!
I first got season tickets during the Norm years because I wanted to be a butt in the seats when a recruit visits. Winning helps pack an arena, but a packed arena helps with winning. There is only one thing I can control as a fan---and that is to go to the games and cheer. Therefore, that's what I do.
This ACC suck up fest will continue to be led by ESPN because they see it as their last chance to maintain a stranglehold on college hoops. B10 has their own network, P12 has it's own network. B12 and SEC have very limited college basketball appeal, BE is now a Fox property, Old BE is a pile of shite. So they have to position ACC as an unstoppable force destined for complete market dominance. Forget that of the last 40 Final Four participants only 9 were from this new supposed super conference and one, G Tech, is likely not long for that conference. Heck over that same period the weak sister new BE had 5. Things will even out when they start cannibalizing each other.
I honestly believe tat the only reason that the ACC would move their year end tourney to MSG would be to undermine and ultimately destroy the Big East. Why would traditional powers like Duke and Carolina whose fan base is rooted in Carolina want to give way to a potential overwhelming Syracuse fan base at the Garden? And don't tell me for the money or exposure as neither organization is hurting for either. And don't think for a minute that if the Garden didn't take their offer that The Barclays wouldn't jump at the chance. Let's be honest here, as a neutral fan, which would you rather see.? A semi final evening with Carolina, Duke, Cuse and perhaps Loiusville OR St. Johns, Georgetown, Nova and Butler. Again , I said as a neutral fan.
Well, it's all about if MSG can generate more revenues for itself by hosting the ACC vs the Big East. It's all about dollars. I don't know the answer to that question. I'm not sure how the economics of these tournament deals work. If anyone can shed light on that, it might be interesting to debate this topic with better information. Anyone know?
Second, I agree with you - Does Duke and Carolina want to be potentially overwhelmed by Syracuse fans? I'm sure they don't. We have to hope that those two schools fight to keep the tournament mainly based in the south.
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If the Garden wanted to old Big East/ACC after 2016, why did they not submit a bid to host the games?
The ACC has made sweetheart deals to play in the south and the demographics have changed but as long as UNC, Duke, Wake and NCST are in the ACC the southern trend will be hard to change given the costs of attending in NYC vs Greensboro.
A little history from an article from last year's tourney in Atlanta:
Carolina born
From its inception in 1954 — one year after the conference was formed — through 2000, the tournament was played in North Carolina 41 times and elsewhere only six times (three each in Atlanta and Landover, Md.). From 2001 through 2015, the tournament was (or will be) played in North Carolina 10 times (Greensboro eight times and Charlotte twice) and elsewhere five times (Atlanta thrice, Washington and Tampa once apiece).
Hicks said all cities that have hosted the tournament in the past decade plan to participate in the next round of bidding. He expects other cities to bid as well, but wouldn’t name them.
“Adding two schools to the north of where we are certainly will add to the menu of places we would consider taking the tournament,” Hicks said.
He deferred to Swofford on the question of whether Madison Square Garden is one such place.
Said Swofford: “It’s the most famous arena in the world, as they say, in a great city, and we’ll have a school with strong ties, in Syracuse, to New York City, but I think that’s premature. The Garden hosts the Big East tournament right now, and they’ve had a commitment to the Big East for a long time, and we’ll have to see what the future holds and if that changes at all.”
The Big East’s contract with Madison Square Garden runs through 2016. An arena being built in Brooklyn also has been mentioned as a possible site for the ACC tournament.
Philips Arena’s seating capacity of 19,500 is comparable to several venues where the tournament has been played since 2005 — Verizon Center in Washington, Time Warner Cable Arena in Charlotte and the Tampa Bay Times Forum. Philips Arena has about 3,500 fewer seats than Greensboro Coliseum.
Swofford said he expects this week’s tournament to sell out, although some schools still have tickets available.
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I don't care if he has 8 Big East teams in the final 8......He is an ACC man.