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[quote="Knight" post=398797]Other than hopes that Caraher refines and launches some 3-pointers, I also like his ability on the boards. He gets good position and is one of those guys that just gets in the way of opponents rebounding efforts.[/quote]
It always feels like Caraher should take more 3s than he's willing to put up. Think he had a little bit of a Sir Dom thing going last year where he was so focused on doing all of the other things on the court that he felt like he shouldn't be looking for his shot.
Hopefully this year the game has slowed down for him a bit and the need to defend other players on the floor will give him a little more space so he'll feel confident in launching it. Kid was a shooter before he got here, I think he was just trying too hard to do all of the other stuff.
As for the rest he hustles his ass off and sacrifices his game and his body to get loose balls, rebounds, or if he can't get the rebound to prevent his man from getting it, and is as unselfish as it gets. Only flaw is his feet are still too slow on D but not for lack of effort - you just can't teach speed is all.
It always feels like Caraher should take more 3s than he's willing to put up. Think he had a little bit of a Sir Dom thing going last year where he was so focused on doing all of the other things on the court that he felt like he shouldn't be looking for his shot.
Hopefully this year the game has slowed down for him a bit and the need to defend other players on the floor will give him a little more space so he'll feel confident in launching it. Kid was a shooter before he got here, I think he was just trying too hard to do all of the other stuff.
As for the rest he hustles his ass off and sacrifices his game and his body to get loose balls, rebounds, or if he can't get the rebound to prevent his man from getting it, and is as unselfish as it gets. Only flaw is his feet are still too slow on D but not for lack of effort - you just can't teach speed is all.
Moose
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[quote="lawmanfan" post=398808][quote="Knight" post=398797]Other than hopes that Caraher refines and launches some 3-pointers, I also like his ability on the boards. He gets good position and is one of those guys that just gets in the way of opponents rebounding efforts.[/quote]
It always feels like Caraher should take more 3s than he's willing to put up. Think he had a little bit of a Sir Dom thing going last year where he was so focused on doing all of the other things on the court that he felt like he shouldn't be looking for his shot.
Hopefully this year the game has slowed down for him a bit and the need to defend other players on the floor will give him a little more space so he'll feel confident in launching it. Kid was a shooter before he got here, I think he was just trying too hard to do all of the other stuff.
As for the rest he hustles his ass off and sacrifices his game and his body to get loose balls, rebounds, or if he can't get the rebound to prevent his man from getting it, and is as unselfish as it gets. Only flaw is his feet are still too slow on D but not for lack of effort - you just can't teach speed is all.[/quote]
MORE 3's???
I mean if you're looking at his 35% from wherever he was before SJU then sure. But I saw a lot of backboard breakers last year so personally I'd rather him take a step or two inside the arc and fire away.
Same goes for Dunn
It always feels like Caraher should take more 3s than he's willing to put up. Think he had a little bit of a Sir Dom thing going last year where he was so focused on doing all of the other things on the court that he felt like he shouldn't be looking for his shot.
Hopefully this year the game has slowed down for him a bit and the need to defend other players on the floor will give him a little more space so he'll feel confident in launching it. Kid was a shooter before he got here, I think he was just trying too hard to do all of the other stuff.
As for the rest he hustles his ass off and sacrifices his game and his body to get loose balls, rebounds, or if he can't get the rebound to prevent his man from getting it, and is as unselfish as it gets. Only flaw is his feet are still too slow on D but not for lack of effort - you just can't teach speed is all.[/quote]
MORE 3's???
I mean if you're looking at his 35% from wherever he was before SJU then sure. But I saw a lot of backboard breakers last year so personally I'd rather him take a step or two inside the arc and fire away.
Same goes for Dunn
Caraher shot .364 from 3 at Houston Baptist. Given either more time/space or being more comfortable playing against better competition I think he can contribute from long range.
Agree that Dunn is probably not going to be a sharpshooter but he has to shoot enough to keep them honest.
Agree that Dunn is probably not going to be a sharpshooter but he has to shoot enough to keep them honest.
Moose
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[quote="lawmanfan" post=398821]Caraher shot .364 from 3 at Houston Baptist. Given either more time/space or being more comfortable playing against better competition I think he can contribute from long range.
Agree that Dunn is probably not going to be a sharpshooter but he has to shoot enough to keep them honest.[/quote]
What would you say the 36% at Houston Baptist translates to at SJU in the BE in terms of natural regression.
Agree that Dunn is probably not going to be a sharpshooter but he has to shoot enough to keep them honest.[/quote]
What would you say the 36% at Houston Baptist translates to at SJU in the BE in terms of natural regression.
[quote="Moose" post=398812][quote="lawmanfan" post=398808][quote="Knight" post=398797]Other than hopes that Caraher refines and launches some 3-pointers, I also like his ability on the boards. He gets good position and is one of those guys that just gets in the way of opponents rebounding efforts.[/quote]
It always feels like Caraher should take more 3s than he's willing to put up. Think he had a little bit of a Sir Dom thing going last year where he was so focused on doing all of the other things on the court that he felt like he shouldn't be looking for his shot.
Hopefully this year the game has slowed down for him a bit and the need to defend other players on the floor will give him a little more space so he'll feel confident in launching it. Kid was a shooter before he got here, I think he was just trying too hard to do all of the other stuff.
As for the rest he hustles his ass off and sacrifices his game and his body to get loose balls, rebounds, or if he can't get the rebound to prevent his man from getting it, and is as unselfish as it gets. Only flaw is his feet are still too slow on D but not for lack of effort - you just can't teach speed is all.[/quote]
MORE 3's???
I mean if you're looking at his 35% from wherever he was before SJU then sure. But I saw a lot of backboard breakers last year so personally I'd rather him take a step or two inside the arc and fire away.
Same goes for Dunn[/quote]
Agree on Caraher. I wasn't impressed with his form and am not sure he's going to become the outside threat others think he will. He did everything he was asked of last season, and then some. Kudos to him. Just think some of his minutes may wind up going to some of the new and more athlete guys. Glad he's on the team, and I'm sure that CMA will find a role for him, but IMO he's one kid who may wind up with a more limited role with our expanded bench. Don't mean to sound negative again lol
It always feels like Caraher should take more 3s than he's willing to put up. Think he had a little bit of a Sir Dom thing going last year where he was so focused on doing all of the other things on the court that he felt like he shouldn't be looking for his shot.
Hopefully this year the game has slowed down for him a bit and the need to defend other players on the floor will give him a little more space so he'll feel confident in launching it. Kid was a shooter before he got here, I think he was just trying too hard to do all of the other stuff.
As for the rest he hustles his ass off and sacrifices his game and his body to get loose balls, rebounds, or if he can't get the rebound to prevent his man from getting it, and is as unselfish as it gets. Only flaw is his feet are still too slow on D but not for lack of effort - you just can't teach speed is all.[/quote]
MORE 3's???
I mean if you're looking at his 35% from wherever he was before SJU then sure. But I saw a lot of backboard breakers last year so personally I'd rather him take a step or two inside the arc and fire away.
Same goes for Dunn[/quote]
Agree on Caraher. I wasn't impressed with his form and am not sure he's going to become the outside threat others think he will. He did everything he was asked of last season, and then some. Kudos to him. Just think some of his minutes may wind up going to some of the new and more athlete guys. Glad he's on the team, and I'm sure that CMA will find a role for him, but IMO he's one kid who may wind up with a more limited role with our expanded bench. Don't mean to sound negative again lol
[quote="Moose" post=398823][quote="lawmanfan" post=398821]Caraher shot .364 from 3 at Houston Baptist. Given either more time/space or being more comfortable playing against better competition I think he can contribute from long range.
Agree that Dunn is probably not going to be a sharpshooter but he has to shoot enough to keep them honest.[/quote]
What would you say the 36% at Houston Baptist translates to at SJU in the BE in terms of natural regression.[/quote]
36%. The basket isn't higher or farther away.
Agree that Dunn is probably not going to be a sharpshooter but he has to shoot enough to keep them honest.[/quote]
What would you say the 36% at Houston Baptist translates to at SJU in the BE in terms of natural regression.[/quote]
36%. The basket isn't higher or farther away.
[quote="lawmanfan" post=398826][quote="Moose" post=398823][quote="lawmanfan" post=398821]Caraher shot .364 from 3 at Houston Baptist. Given either more time/space or being more comfortable playing against better competition I think he can contribute from long range.
Agree that Dunn is probably not going to be a sharpshooter but he has to shoot enough to keep them honest.[/quote]
What would you say the 36% at Houston Baptist translates to at SJU in the BE in terms of natural regression.[/quote]
36%. The basket isn't higher or farther away.[/quote]
Less time and space to shoot. All 36% isn't created equal. Looks like it translated to about 25%
Dunn shot 22% as a Fr at St. Francis. 28% as a So at St. Francis. 22% as a RJr at St. John's. Don't see where 8 percentage points are coming from. It's not a criticism of Dunn. He's a very useful player. But lets not put unrealistic expectations on him. Leopards don't often change their spots. The Phil Greene's are the exception rather than the rule. But at similar points in their careers, Greene had already drastically improved from 3pt range.
Agree that Dunn is probably not going to be a sharpshooter but he has to shoot enough to keep them honest.[/quote]
What would you say the 36% at Houston Baptist translates to at SJU in the BE in terms of natural regression.[/quote]
36%. The basket isn't higher or farther away.[/quote]
Less time and space to shoot. All 36% isn't created equal. Looks like it translated to about 25%
Dunn shot 22% as a Fr at St. Francis. 28% as a So at St. Francis. 22% as a RJr at St. John's. Don't see where 8 percentage points are coming from. It's not a criticism of Dunn. He's a very useful player. But lets not put unrealistic expectations on him. Leopards don't often change their spots. The Phil Greene's are the exception rather than the rule. But at similar points in their careers, Greene had already drastically improved from 3pt range.
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Moose
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[quote="lawmanfan" post=398826][quote="Moose" post=398823][quote="lawmanfan" post=398821]Caraher shot .364 from 3 at Houston Baptist. Given either more time/space or being more comfortable playing against better competition I think he can contribute from long range.
Agree that Dunn is probably not going to be a sharpshooter but he has to shoot enough to keep them honest.[/quote]
What would you say the 36% at Houston Baptist translates to at SJU in the BE in terms of natural regression.[/quote]
36%. The basket isn't higher or farther away.[/quote]
I hope you're joking.
Agree that Dunn is probably not going to be a sharpshooter but he has to shoot enough to keep them honest.[/quote]
What would you say the 36% at Houston Baptist translates to at SJU in the BE in terms of natural regression.[/quote]
36%. The basket isn't higher or farther away.[/quote]
I hope you're joking.
[quote="Matty Hoops" post=398827][quote="lawmanfan" post=398826][quote="Moose" post=398823][quote="lawmanfan" post=398821]Caraher shot .364 from 3 at Houston Baptist. Given either more time/space or being more comfortable playing against better competition I think he can contribute from long range.
Agree that Dunn is probably not going to be a sharpshooter but he has to shoot enough to keep them honest.[/quote]
What would you say the 36% at Houston Baptist translates to at SJU in the BE in terms of natural regression.[/quote]
36%. The basket isn't higher or farther away.[/quote]Less time and space to shoot. All 36% isn't created equal[/quote]
I agree - see my original post - he needs to be more comfortable with his shooting role in the offense and more time/space hopefully created by the D having to drop off him to pay attention to other players. If those things happen, there's no reason why he won't shoot for a decent %. If he has to rush shots or force them up then it won't go well.
Agree that Dunn is probably not going to be a sharpshooter but he has to shoot enough to keep them honest.[/quote]
What would you say the 36% at Houston Baptist translates to at SJU in the BE in terms of natural regression.[/quote]
36%. The basket isn't higher or farther away.[/quote]Less time and space to shoot. All 36% isn't created equal[/quote]
I agree - see my original post - he needs to be more comfortable with his shooting role in the offense and more time/space hopefully created by the D having to drop off him to pay attention to other players. If those things happen, there's no reason why he won't shoot for a decent %. If he has to rush shots or force them up then it won't go well.
[quote="lawmanfan" post=398808][quote="Knight" post=398797]Other than hopes that Caraher refines and launches some 3-pointers, I also like his ability on the boards. He gets good position and is one of those guys that just gets in the way of opponents rebounding efforts.[/quote]
It always feels like Caraher should take more 3s than he's willing to put up. Think he had a little bit of a Sir Dom thing going last year where he was so focused on doing all of the other things on the court that he felt like he shouldn't be looking for his shot.
Hopefully this year the game has slowed down for him a bit and the need to defend other players on the floor will give him a little more space so he'll feel confident in launching it. Kid was a shooter before he got here, I think he was just trying too hard to do all of the other stuff.
As for the rest he hustles his ass off and sacrifices his game and his body to get loose balls, rebounds, or if he can't get the rebound to prevent his man from getting it, and is as unselfish as it gets. Only flaw is his feet are still too slow on D but not for lack of effort - you just can't teach speed is all.[/quote]
36% at Hou Baptist isn't that good. For a reason I can easily put my finger on he was billed as a good three point shooter when that really isn't his game. What he is, is a useful rotation piece. Again let's not get too excited about lower probability outcomes.
It always feels like Caraher should take more 3s than he's willing to put up. Think he had a little bit of a Sir Dom thing going last year where he was so focused on doing all of the other things on the court that he felt like he shouldn't be looking for his shot.
Hopefully this year the game has slowed down for him a bit and the need to defend other players on the floor will give him a little more space so he'll feel confident in launching it. Kid was a shooter before he got here, I think he was just trying too hard to do all of the other stuff.
As for the rest he hustles his ass off and sacrifices his game and his body to get loose balls, rebounds, or if he can't get the rebound to prevent his man from getting it, and is as unselfish as it gets. Only flaw is his feet are still too slow on D but not for lack of effort - you just can't teach speed is all.[/quote]
36% at Hou Baptist isn't that good. For a reason I can easily put my finger on he was billed as a good three point shooter when that really isn't his game. What he is, is a useful rotation piece. Again let's not get too excited about lower probability outcomes.
[quote="Matty Hoops" post=398830][quote="lawmanfan" post=398808][quote="Knight" post=398797]Other than hopes that Caraher refines and launches some 3-pointers, I also like his ability on the boards. He gets good position and is one of those guys that just gets in the way of opponents rebounding efforts.[/quote]
It always feels like Caraher should take more 3s than he's willing to put up. Think he had a little bit of a Sir Dom thing going last year where he was so focused on doing all of the other things on the court that he felt like he shouldn't be looking for his shot.
Hopefully this year the game has slowed down for him a bit and the need to defend other players on the floor will give him a little more space so he'll feel confident in launching it. Kid was a shooter before he got here, I think he was just trying too hard to do all of the other stuff.
As for the rest he hustles his ass off and sacrifices his game and his body to get loose balls, rebounds, or if he can't get the rebound to prevent his man from getting it, and is as unselfish as it gets. Only flaw is his feet are still too slow on D but not for lack of effort - you just can't teach speed is all.[/quote]
36% at Hou Baptist isn't that good. For a reason I can easily put my finger on he was billed as a good three point shooter when that really isn't his game. What he is, is a useful rotation piece. Again let's not get too excited about lower probability outcomes.[/quote]
Caraher was never billed as a 3 pt shooter. A lot of people assumed that he was because he is White. He is a good ballplayer who knows his role. His IQ makes up for his limited athleticism. Happy to have him representing St Johns.
It always feels like Caraher should take more 3s than he's willing to put up. Think he had a little bit of a Sir Dom thing going last year where he was so focused on doing all of the other things on the court that he felt like he shouldn't be looking for his shot.
Hopefully this year the game has slowed down for him a bit and the need to defend other players on the floor will give him a little more space so he'll feel confident in launching it. Kid was a shooter before he got here, I think he was just trying too hard to do all of the other stuff.
As for the rest he hustles his ass off and sacrifices his game and his body to get loose balls, rebounds, or if he can't get the rebound to prevent his man from getting it, and is as unselfish as it gets. Only flaw is his feet are still too slow on D but not for lack of effort - you just can't teach speed is all.[/quote]
36% at Hou Baptist isn't that good. For a reason I can easily put my finger on he was billed as a good three point shooter when that really isn't his game. What he is, is a useful rotation piece. Again let's not get too excited about lower probability outcomes.[/quote]
Caraher was never billed as a 3 pt shooter. A lot of people assumed that he was because he is White. He is a good ballplayer who knows his role. His IQ makes up for his limited athleticism. Happy to have him representing St Johns.
If you’re gonna make the point that it’s easier to shoot a higher % at a lesser school then you must also point out the different roles. Caraher may have gotten less space and more attention at Houston Baptist. He may have also took worse shots. He may have also just shot better that season. It’s not as easy as saying, better competition = equals worse shooting.
I believe he’s a better shooter than he showed. A college
Basketball season is only so long, people have bad weeks/months/seasons. And the thing is I think he had plenty of good looks that he just didn’t make. It wasn’t as if he was getting run off the perimeter. So if he was able to make 36% of his shots at houston Baptist, why can’t he make close to that, taking good 3’s at a 4th/5th option here?
I believe he’s a better shooter than he showed. A college
Basketball season is only so long, people have bad weeks/months/seasons. And the thing is I think he had plenty of good looks that he just didn’t make. It wasn’t as if he was getting run off the perimeter. So if he was able to make 36% of his shots at houston Baptist, why can’t he make close to that, taking good 3’s at a 4th/5th option here?
QueensBall
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I like Caraher. He won me over. Seems like a guy who works hard and understands his role and skill level. He's playing for a coach who didn't recruit him in a system that isn't ideal for him and he still works his butt off. He's very clearly a team player. If he wanted to be the man he would have stayed in the Southland where he was already one of the better players as a freshman. He wants to push himself which is admirable.
Caraher clearly is not a dead eye 3pt shooter but I think he's better than he showed last year. We shot awful as a team and while I understand that we were never going to be a team of snipers, I don't think it was just because we were "off" for 9/10ths of the season. There are some personnel/style of play reasons that I think contributed to our low shooting but I'm optimistic we can improve on that stuff.
Caraher clearly is not a dead eye 3pt shooter but I think he's better than he showed last year. We shot awful as a team and while I understand that we were never going to be a team of snipers, I don't think it was just because we were "off" for 9/10ths of the season. There are some personnel/style of play reasons that I think contributed to our low shooting but I'm optimistic we can improve on that stuff.
Moose
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[quote="Amaseinyourface" post=398836]If you’re gonna make the point that it’s easier to shoot a higher % at a lesser school then you must also point out the different roles. Caraher may have gotten less space and more attention at Houston Baptist. He may have also took worse shots. He may have also just shot better that season. It’s not as easy as saying, better competition = equals worse shooting.
I believe he’s a better shooter than he showed. A college
Basketball season is only so long, people have bad weeks/months/seasons. And the thing is I think he had plenty of good looks that he just didn’t make. It wasn’t as if he was getting run off the perimeter. So if he was able to make 36% of his shots at houston Baptist, why can’t he make close to that, taking good 3’s at a 4th/5th option here?[/quote]
You're correct there are lots of factors at play. But it's pretty safe to say the majority of the time a star/leading scorer on a lower level team will step up conferences and become more a role player (which by the way is perfectly fine).
He shot 3 times as many attempts at Houston Baptist than SJU. Is he somewhere in between that 36% and SJU 25%. Sure very likely. Is it 30? 28? 33? We don't know besides the numbers from last year which were at the bottom of that scale. Maybe he needs to take 150 attempts to shoot 36%. Maybe he needs volume and as a 5th option can't be so reliable from 3.
I do know that last year I saw a lot of very ugly attempts. But I also know he had some really sweet looking mid range jumpers but again nobody takes mid range jumpers anymore because its not as sexy as 3. Based on the sample size of 50 some odd attempts I'd prefer more mid range shots.
I believe he’s a better shooter than he showed. A college
Basketball season is only so long, people have bad weeks/months/seasons. And the thing is I think he had plenty of good looks that he just didn’t make. It wasn’t as if he was getting run off the perimeter. So if he was able to make 36% of his shots at houston Baptist, why can’t he make close to that, taking good 3’s at a 4th/5th option here?[/quote]
You're correct there are lots of factors at play. But it's pretty safe to say the majority of the time a star/leading scorer on a lower level team will step up conferences and become more a role player (which by the way is perfectly fine).
He shot 3 times as many attempts at Houston Baptist than SJU. Is he somewhere in between that 36% and SJU 25%. Sure very likely. Is it 30? 28? 33? We don't know besides the numbers from last year which were at the bottom of that scale. Maybe he needs to take 150 attempts to shoot 36%. Maybe he needs volume and as a 5th option can't be so reliable from 3.
I do know that last year I saw a lot of very ugly attempts. But I also know he had some really sweet looking mid range jumpers but again nobody takes mid range jumpers anymore because its not as sexy as 3. Based on the sample size of 50 some odd attempts I'd prefer more mid range shots.
Caraher to me was a heady contributor last year with acceptable mid range shot on a short roster. I just sense on a team that appears to have good depth and athleticism he will only earn modest minutes reflective of an end of bench guy. We’ll see.
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[quote="Moose" post=398840][quote="Amaseinyourface" post=398836]If you’re gonna make the point that it’s easier to shoot a higher % at a lesser school then you must also point out the different roles. Caraher may have gotten less space and more attention at Houston Baptist. He may have also took worse shots. He may have also just shot better that season. It’s not as easy as saying, better competition = equals worse shooting.
I believe he’s a better shooter than he showed. A college
Basketball season is only so long, people have bad weeks/months/seasons. And the thing is I think he had plenty of good looks that he just didn’t make. It wasn’t as if he was getting run off the perimeter. So if he was able to make 36% of his shots at houston Baptist, why can’t he make close to that, taking good 3’s at a 4th/5th option here?[/quote]
You're correct there are lots of factors at play. But it's pretty safe to say the majority of the time a star/leading scorer on a lower level team will step up conferences and become more a role player (which by the way is perfectly fine).
He shot 3 times as many attempts at Houston Baptist than SJU. Is he somewhere in between that 36% and SJU 25%. Sure very likely. Is it 30? 28? 33? We don't know besides the numbers from last year which were at the bottom of that scale. Maybe he needs to take 150 attempts to shoot 36%. Maybe he needs volume and as a 5th option can't be so reliable from 3.
I do know that last year I saw a lot of very ugly attempts. But I also know he had some really sweet looking mid range jumpers but again nobody takes mid range jumpers anymore because its not as sexy as 3. Based on the sample size of 50 some odd attempts I'd prefer more mid range shots.[/quote]
Don't see him developing a mid range game. He doesn't have a quick release nor a high release point. That's going to make it real tough him to get his shot off, since defenses can close out on him quickly. Think his game is from perimeter, if he improves his stroke, and banging down low.
I believe he’s a better shooter than he showed. A college
Basketball season is only so long, people have bad weeks/months/seasons. And the thing is I think he had plenty of good looks that he just didn’t make. It wasn’t as if he was getting run off the perimeter. So if he was able to make 36% of his shots at houston Baptist, why can’t he make close to that, taking good 3’s at a 4th/5th option here?[/quote]
You're correct there are lots of factors at play. But it's pretty safe to say the majority of the time a star/leading scorer on a lower level team will step up conferences and become more a role player (which by the way is perfectly fine).
He shot 3 times as many attempts at Houston Baptist than SJU. Is he somewhere in between that 36% and SJU 25%. Sure very likely. Is it 30? 28? 33? We don't know besides the numbers from last year which were at the bottom of that scale. Maybe he needs to take 150 attempts to shoot 36%. Maybe he needs volume and as a 5th option can't be so reliable from 3.
I do know that last year I saw a lot of very ugly attempts. But I also know he had some really sweet looking mid range jumpers but again nobody takes mid range jumpers anymore because its not as sexy as 3. Based on the sample size of 50 some odd attempts I'd prefer more mid range shots.[/quote]
Don't see him developing a mid range game. He doesn't have a quick release nor a high release point. That's going to make it real tough him to get his shot off, since defenses can close out on him quickly. Think his game is from perimeter, if he improves his stroke, and banging down low.
Moose
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[quote="Monte" post=398846][quote="Moose" post=398840][quote="Amaseinyourface" post=398836]If you’re gonna make the point that it’s easier to shoot a higher % at a lesser school then you must also point out the different roles. Caraher may have gotten less space and more attention at Houston Baptist. He may have also took worse shots. He may have also just shot better that season. It’s not as easy as saying, better competition = equals worse shooting.
I believe he’s a better shooter than he showed. A college
Basketball season is only so long, people have bad weeks/months/seasons. And the thing is I think he had plenty of good looks that he just didn’t make. It wasn’t as if he was getting run off the perimeter. So if he was able to make 36% of his shots at houston Baptist, why can’t he make close to that, taking good 3’s at a 4th/5th option here?[/quote]
You're correct there are lots of factors at play. But it's pretty safe to say the majority of the time a star/leading scorer on a lower level team will step up conferences and become more a role player (which by the way is perfectly fine).
He shot 3 times as many attempts at Houston Baptist than SJU. Is he somewhere in between that 36% and SJU 25%. Sure very likely. Is it 30? 28? 33? We don't know besides the numbers from last year which were at the bottom of that scale. Maybe he needs to take 150 attempts to shoot 36%. Maybe he needs volume and as a 5th option can't be so reliable from 3.
I do know that last year I saw a lot of very ugly attempts. But I also know he had some really sweet looking mid range jumpers but again nobody takes mid range jumpers anymore because its not as sexy as 3. Based on the sample size of 50 some odd attempts I'd prefer more mid range shots.[/quote]
Don't see him developing a mid range game. He doesn't have a quick release nor a high release point. That's going to make it real tough him to get his shot off, since defenses can close out on him quickly. Think his game is from perimeter, if he improves his stroke, and banging down low.[/quote]
If the defense sits back and dares him to shoot the 3 he can just step and shoot just inside the arc. He definitely did it last year and I remember saying YES MORE PLEASE
It's amazing how just those 2 feet can increase odds.
I believe he’s a better shooter than he showed. A college
Basketball season is only so long, people have bad weeks/months/seasons. And the thing is I think he had plenty of good looks that he just didn’t make. It wasn’t as if he was getting run off the perimeter. So if he was able to make 36% of his shots at houston Baptist, why can’t he make close to that, taking good 3’s at a 4th/5th option here?[/quote]
You're correct there are lots of factors at play. But it's pretty safe to say the majority of the time a star/leading scorer on a lower level team will step up conferences and become more a role player (which by the way is perfectly fine).
He shot 3 times as many attempts at Houston Baptist than SJU. Is he somewhere in between that 36% and SJU 25%. Sure very likely. Is it 30? 28? 33? We don't know besides the numbers from last year which were at the bottom of that scale. Maybe he needs to take 150 attempts to shoot 36%. Maybe he needs volume and as a 5th option can't be so reliable from 3.
I do know that last year I saw a lot of very ugly attempts. But I also know he had some really sweet looking mid range jumpers but again nobody takes mid range jumpers anymore because its not as sexy as 3. Based on the sample size of 50 some odd attempts I'd prefer more mid range shots.[/quote]
Don't see him developing a mid range game. He doesn't have a quick release nor a high release point. That's going to make it real tough him to get his shot off, since defenses can close out on him quickly. Think his game is from perimeter, if he improves his stroke, and banging down low.[/quote]
If the defense sits back and dares him to shoot the 3 he can just step and shoot just inside the arc. He definitely did it last year and I remember saying YES MORE PLEASE
It's amazing how just those 2 feet can increase odds.
[quote="Moose" post=398847][quote="Monte" post=398846][quote="Moose" post=398840][quote="Amaseinyourface" post=398836]If you’re gonna make the point that it’s easier to shoot a higher % at a lesser school then you must also point out the different roles. Caraher may have gotten less space and more attention at Houston Baptist. He may have also took worse shots. He may have also just shot better that season. It’s not as easy as saying, better competition = equals worse shooting.
I believe he’s a better shooter than he showed. A college
Basketball season is only so long, people have bad weeks/months/seasons. And the thing is I think he had plenty of good looks that he just didn’t make. It wasn’t as if he was getting run off the perimeter. So if he was able to make 36% of his shots at houston Baptist, why can’t he make close to that, taking good 3’s at a 4th/5th option here?[/quote]
You're correct there are lots of factors at play. But it's pretty safe to say the majority of the time a star/leading scorer on a lower level team will step up conferences and become more a role player (which by the way is perfectly fine).
He shot 3 times as many attempts at Houston Baptist than SJU. Is he somewhere in between that 36% and SJU 25%. Sure very likely. Is it 30? 28? 33? We don't know besides the numbers from last year which were at the bottom of that scale. Maybe he needs to take 150 attempts to shoot 36%. Maybe he needs volume and as a 5th option can't be so reliable from 3.
I do know that last year I saw a lot of very ugly attempts. But I also know he had some really sweet looking mid range jumpers but again nobody takes mid range jumpers anymore because its not as sexy as 3. Based on the sample size of 50 some odd attempts I'd prefer more mid range shots.[/quote]
Don't see him developing a mid range game. He doesn't have a quick release nor a high release point. That's going to make it real tough him to get his shot off, since defenses can close out on him quickly. Think his game is from perimeter, if he improves his stroke, and banging down low.[/quote]
If the defense sits back and dares him to shoot the 3 he can just step and shoot just inside the arc. He definitely did it last year and I remember saying YES MORE PLEASE It's amazing how just those 2 feet can increase odds.[/quote]
He averaged 4 pts per game, so you couldn't have said it too many times
I believe he’s a better shooter than he showed. A college
Basketball season is only so long, people have bad weeks/months/seasons. And the thing is I think he had plenty of good looks that he just didn’t make. It wasn’t as if he was getting run off the perimeter. So if he was able to make 36% of his shots at houston Baptist, why can’t he make close to that, taking good 3’s at a 4th/5th option here?[/quote]
You're correct there are lots of factors at play. But it's pretty safe to say the majority of the time a star/leading scorer on a lower level team will step up conferences and become more a role player (which by the way is perfectly fine).
He shot 3 times as many attempts at Houston Baptist than SJU. Is he somewhere in between that 36% and SJU 25%. Sure very likely. Is it 30? 28? 33? We don't know besides the numbers from last year which were at the bottom of that scale. Maybe he needs to take 150 attempts to shoot 36%. Maybe he needs volume and as a 5th option can't be so reliable from 3.
I do know that last year I saw a lot of very ugly attempts. But I also know he had some really sweet looking mid range jumpers but again nobody takes mid range jumpers anymore because its not as sexy as 3. Based on the sample size of 50 some odd attempts I'd prefer more mid range shots.[/quote]
Don't see him developing a mid range game. He doesn't have a quick release nor a high release point. That's going to make it real tough him to get his shot off, since defenses can close out on him quickly. Think his game is from perimeter, if he improves his stroke, and banging down low.[/quote]
If the defense sits back and dares him to shoot the 3 he can just step and shoot just inside the arc. He definitely did it last year and I remember saying YES MORE PLEASE
It's amazing how just those 2 feet can increase odds.[/quote]He averaged 4 pts per game, so you couldn't have said it too many times
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[quote="Monte" post=398848][quote="Moose" post=398847][quote="Monte" post=398846][quote="Moose" post=398840][quote="Amaseinyourface" post=398836]If you’re gonna make the point that it’s easier to shoot a higher % at a lesser school then you must also point out the different roles. Caraher may have gotten less space and more attention at Houston Baptist. He may have also took worse shots. He may have also just shot better that season. It’s not as easy as saying, better competition = equals worse shooting.
I believe he’s a better shooter than he showed. A college
Basketball season is only so long, people have bad weeks/months/seasons. And the thing is I think he had plenty of good looks that he just didn’t make. It wasn’t as if he was getting run off the perimeter. So if he was able to make 36% of his shots at houston Baptist, why can’t he make close to that, taking good 3’s at a 4th/5th option here?[/quote]
You're correct there are lots of factors at play. But it's pretty safe to say the majority of the time a star/leading scorer on a lower level team will step up conferences and become more a role player (which by the way is perfectly fine).
He shot 3 times as many attempts at Houston Baptist than SJU. Is he somewhere in between that 36% and SJU 25%. Sure very likely. Is it 30? 28? 33? We don't know besides the numbers from last year which were at the bottom of that scale. Maybe he needs to take 150 attempts to shoot 36%. Maybe he needs volume and as a 5th option can't be so reliable from 3.
I do know that last year I saw a lot of very ugly attempts. But I also know he had some really sweet looking mid range jumpers but again nobody takes mid range jumpers anymore because its not as sexy as 3. Based on the sample size of 50 some odd attempts I'd prefer more mid range shots.[/quote]
Don't see him developing a mid range game. He doesn't have a quick release nor a high release point. That's going to make it real tough him to get his shot off, since defenses can close out on him quickly. Think his game is from perimeter, if he improves his stroke, and banging down low.[/quote]
If the defense sits back and dares him to shoot the 3 he can just step and shoot just inside the arc. He definitely did it last year and I remember saying YES MORE PLEASE It's amazing how just those 2 feet can increase odds.[/quote]
He averaged 4 pts per game, so you couldn't have said it too many times[/quote]
Just as many times as the 14 3's he hit
I believe he’s a better shooter than he showed. A college
Basketball season is only so long, people have bad weeks/months/seasons. And the thing is I think he had plenty of good looks that he just didn’t make. It wasn’t as if he was getting run off the perimeter. So if he was able to make 36% of his shots at houston Baptist, why can’t he make close to that, taking good 3’s at a 4th/5th option here?[/quote]
You're correct there are lots of factors at play. But it's pretty safe to say the majority of the time a star/leading scorer on a lower level team will step up conferences and become more a role player (which by the way is perfectly fine).
He shot 3 times as many attempts at Houston Baptist than SJU. Is he somewhere in between that 36% and SJU 25%. Sure very likely. Is it 30? 28? 33? We don't know besides the numbers from last year which were at the bottom of that scale. Maybe he needs to take 150 attempts to shoot 36%. Maybe he needs volume and as a 5th option can't be so reliable from 3.
I do know that last year I saw a lot of very ugly attempts. But I also know he had some really sweet looking mid range jumpers but again nobody takes mid range jumpers anymore because its not as sexy as 3. Based on the sample size of 50 some odd attempts I'd prefer more mid range shots.[/quote]
Don't see him developing a mid range game. He doesn't have a quick release nor a high release point. That's going to make it real tough him to get his shot off, since defenses can close out on him quickly. Think his game is from perimeter, if he improves his stroke, and banging down low.[/quote]
If the defense sits back and dares him to shoot the 3 he can just step and shoot just inside the arc. He definitely did it last year and I remember saying YES MORE PLEASE
It's amazing how just those 2 feet can increase odds.[/quote]He averaged 4 pts per game, so you couldn't have said it too many times
[/quote]Just as many times as the 14 3's he hit