2017-18 Transfers
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[quote="JohnnyFan" post=284786][quote="Ralph Joseph Giordano" post=284773]this is the guy if we can land him. Fits the role perfect.[/quote]
Yes, could be a great fit. The problem is we may not even pick up the phone.[/quote]
Why on earth not?
Truly flummoxed, if that proves to be the case unless the guy has secretly committed elsewhere—kind of like ‘the ‘double secret probation’ of Animal House.
Nothing left to do but joke.
Yes, could be a great fit. The problem is we may not even pick up the phone.[/quote]
Why on earth not?
Truly flummoxed, if that proves to be the case unless the guy has secretly committed elsewhere—kind of like ‘the ‘double secret probation’ of Animal House.
Nothing left to do but joke.
Chicago Days wrote: JohnnyFan wrote:
Ralph Joseph Giordano wrote: this is the guy if we can land him. Fits the role perfect.
Yes, could be a great fit. The problem is we may not even pick up the phone.
Why on earth not?
Truly flummoxed, if that proves to be the case unless the guy has secretly committed elsewhere—kind of like ‘the ‘double secret probation’ of Animal House.
Nothing left to do but joke.
Chicago Days, you know I have been one of the biggest proponents of getting a second big, whether grad transfer or otherwise. However, in this case, based on pickup of Figueroa and limited playing time available for a big coming in (20 minutes tops unless he is going to take Keita's time which would spell problems in retaining Keita and we don't need any more big man transfers out), I don't think we could convince this kid that we are a good fit for him. He is going to want guarantee that he will play at least close to the 27 mpg he played at UMASS and can likely find a school that will give him that.
Ralph Joseph Giordano wrote: this is the guy if we can land him. Fits the role perfect.
Yes, could be a great fit. The problem is we may not even pick up the phone.
Why on earth not?
Truly flummoxed, if that proves to be the case unless the guy has secretly committed elsewhere—kind of like ‘the ‘double secret probation’ of Animal House.
Nothing left to do but joke.
Chicago Days, you know I have been one of the biggest proponents of getting a second big, whether grad transfer or otherwise. However, in this case, based on pickup of Figueroa and limited playing time available for a big coming in (20 minutes tops unless he is going to take Keita's time which would spell problems in retaining Keita and we don't need any more big man transfers out), I don't think we could convince this kid that we are a good fit for him. He is going to want guarantee that he will play at least close to the 27 mpg he played at UMASS and can likely find a school that will give him that.
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=284790]Chicago Days wrote: JohnnyFan wrote:
Ralph Joseph Giordano wrote: this is the guy if we can land him. Fits the role perfect.
Yes, could be a great fit. The problem is we may not even pick up the phone.
Why on earth not?
Truly flummoxed, if that proves to be the case unless the guy has secretly committed elsewhere—kind of like ‘the ‘double secret probation’ of Animal House.
Nothing left to do but joke.
Chicago Days, you know I have been one of the biggest proponents of getting a second big, whether grad transfer or otherwise. However, in this case, based on pickup of Figueroa and limited playing time available for a big coming in (20 minutes tops unless he is going to take Keita's time which would spell problems in retaining Keita and we don't need any more big man transfers out), I don't think we could convince this kid that we are a good fit for him. He is going to want guarantee that he will play at least close to the 27 mpg he played at UMASS and can likely find a school that will give him that.[/quote]
You may be right about PT NCJohnnies, but Clark also needs a spell and we’d be exposed if Keita gets injured for any string of games. Don’t see why this guy wouldn’t get 25 minutes+ and it’d be for just 1 year, so might not bum out Keita.
The other issue is I think Paultz and JohnnyFan here are hinting we may not even try for the guy, which both stuns and disturbs me.
If true, makes no sense to me.
Ralph Joseph Giordano wrote: this is the guy if we can land him. Fits the role perfect.
Yes, could be a great fit. The problem is we may not even pick up the phone.
Why on earth not?
Truly flummoxed, if that proves to be the case unless the guy has secretly committed elsewhere—kind of like ‘the ‘double secret probation’ of Animal House.
Nothing left to do but joke.
Chicago Days, you know I have been one of the biggest proponents of getting a second big, whether grad transfer or otherwise. However, in this case, based on pickup of Figueroa and limited playing time available for a big coming in (20 minutes tops unless he is going to take Keita's time which would spell problems in retaining Keita and we don't need any more big man transfers out), I don't think we could convince this kid that we are a good fit for him. He is going to want guarantee that he will play at least close to the 27 mpg he played at UMASS and can likely find a school that will give him that.[/quote]
You may be right about PT NCJohnnies, but Clark also needs a spell and we’d be exposed if Keita gets injured for any string of games. Don’t see why this guy wouldn’t get 25 minutes+ and it’d be for just 1 year, so might not bum out Keita.
The other issue is I think Paultz and JohnnyFan here are hinting we may not even try for the guy, which both stuns and disturbs me.
If true, makes no sense to me.
Chicago Days Wrote: You may be right about PT NCJohnnies, but Clark also needs a spell and we’d be exposed if Keita gets injured for any string of games. Don’t see why this guy wouldn’t get 25 minutes+ and it’d be for just 1 year, so might not bum out Keita.
The other issue is I think Paultz and JohnnyFan here are hinting we may not even try for the guy, which both stuns and disturbs me.
If true, makes no sense to me.
From what I can see there seems to be a type of player that this group of coaches targets and prioritizes more than others. Low post players with size and bulk don't seem to be a high priority in recruiting and the style of ball they seem to want to play does not utilize the skills of that type of player very much. At this point It seems like the idea is to play a smaller more perimeter style game. This has worked well for a number of teams but it remains to be seen how successful we will be at doing this.
It will be interesting to see if the recruitment of Kofi Cockburn represents a shift from that approach. Personally I would welcome that shift and believe we would benefit from having more of a low post and bulk presence in our rotation.
The other issue is I think Paultz and JohnnyFan here are hinting we may not even try for the guy, which both stuns and disturbs me.
If true, makes no sense to me.
From what I can see there seems to be a type of player that this group of coaches targets and prioritizes more than others. Low post players with size and bulk don't seem to be a high priority in recruiting and the style of ball they seem to want to play does not utilize the skills of that type of player very much. At this point It seems like the idea is to play a smaller more perimeter style game. This has worked well for a number of teams but it remains to be seen how successful we will be at doing this.
It will be interesting to see if the recruitment of Kofi Cockburn represents a shift from that approach. Personally I would welcome that shift and believe we would benefit from having more of a low post and bulk presence in our rotation.
[quote="ghostzapper" post=284794]Chicago Days Wrote: You may be right about PT NCJohnnies, but Clark also needs a spell and we’d be exposed if Keita gets injured for any string of games. Don’t see why this guy wouldn’t get 25 minutes+ and it’d be for just 1 year, so might not bum out Keita.
The other issue is I think Paultz and JohnnyFan here are hinting we may not even try for the guy, which both stuns and disturbs me.
If true, makes no sense to me.
From what I can see there seems to be a type of player that this group of coaches targets and prioritizes more than others. Low post players with size and bulk don't seem to be a high priority in recruiting and the style of ball they seem to want to play does not utilize the skills of that type of player very much. At this point It seems like the idea is to play a smaller more perimeter style game. This has worked well for a number of teams but it remains to be seen how successful we will be at doing this.
It will be interesting to see if the recruitment of Kofi Cockburn represents a shift from that approach. Personally I would welcome that shift and believe we would benefit from having more of a low post and bulk presence in our rotation.[/quote]
Agree Ghost, that CM prefers a fast-paced offense, keyed by sharpshooting guards and wings, but I believe the Staff had, previously, clearly targeted a Grad Big as a priority ‘get’ this recruiting season.
While their inability to garner one is disappointing, this ‘rumor’ that they may not care about a Grad Big possibly still available is stunning and disappointing—if true.
But, it’s time to move on, since we don’t know the details, and be happy for the surprise box of Figgies we got.
The current roster looks like it has real potential to do some damage in 2018-19.
This latest ‘development’ surprised me—that’s all.
I know we’ll all root like crazy for our Johnnies.
The other issue is I think Paultz and JohnnyFan here are hinting we may not even try for the guy, which both stuns and disturbs me.
If true, makes no sense to me.
From what I can see there seems to be a type of player that this group of coaches targets and prioritizes more than others. Low post players with size and bulk don't seem to be a high priority in recruiting and the style of ball they seem to want to play does not utilize the skills of that type of player very much. At this point It seems like the idea is to play a smaller more perimeter style game. This has worked well for a number of teams but it remains to be seen how successful we will be at doing this.
It will be interesting to see if the recruitment of Kofi Cockburn represents a shift from that approach. Personally I would welcome that shift and believe we would benefit from having more of a low post and bulk presence in our rotation.[/quote]
Agree Ghost, that CM prefers a fast-paced offense, keyed by sharpshooting guards and wings, but I believe the Staff had, previously, clearly targeted a Grad Big as a priority ‘get’ this recruiting season.
While their inability to garner one is disappointing, this ‘rumor’ that they may not care about a Grad Big possibly still available is stunning and disappointing—if true.
But, it’s time to move on, since we don’t know the details, and be happy for the surprise box of Figgies we got.
The current roster looks like it has real potential to do some damage in 2018-19.
This latest ‘development’ surprised me—that’s all.
I know we’ll all root like crazy for our Johnnies.
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We really don't have the minutes to offer a grad transfer big, and if someone would do a minutes distribution for next season, you can see that. Figure there are 200 minutes in a game for 5 positions 40 minutes per. Ponds, Simon and Clark are all going to command 30+ minutes and maybe even up to 100 total per game. So off the bat, half of our minutes are gone. Someone want to fill in the rest realistically?
Room112 wrote: We really don't have the minutes to offer a grad transfer big, and if someone would do a minutes distribution for next season, you can see that. Figure there are 200 minutes in a game for 5 positions 40 minutes per. Ponds, Simon and Clark are all going to command 30+ minutes and maybe even up to 100 total per game. So off the bat, half of our minutes are gone. Someone want to fill in the rest realistically?
Room112, IDRAFT did just that yesterday on page 5 of the Roster thread. I agree that we don't have starter's minutes to offer a grad big at this point, but we really could use a backup big who can give us 10-15 meaningful mpg. May be too late to find at this point.
Room112, IDRAFT did just that yesterday on page 5 of the Roster thread. I agree that we don't have starter's minutes to offer a grad big at this point, but we really could use a backup big who can give us 10-15 meaningful mpg. May be too late to find at this point.
[quote="Delaware" post=284824]I agree. Between injuries and defections, there would be room. Amazing that this staff can't envision and prepare for that.[/quote]
An injury won't free up a scholarship so it comes down to telling a recruit that we will push out one of our current players to make room for him.
I don't see how that discussion works out for either party. The recruit knows that any coach doing that to a current player will do it to him.
They would have make room now by accomodating a transfer for one the current kids and clearing space now.
It seems that they are staying with the players they have on the roster with a view towards the long term.
An injury won't free up a scholarship so it comes down to telling a recruit that we will push out one of our current players to make room for him.
I don't see how that discussion works out for either party. The recruit knows that any coach doing that to a current player will do it to him.
They would have make room now by accomodating a transfer for one the current kids and clearing space now.
It seems that they are staying with the players they have on the roster with a view towards the long term.
[quote="Paultzman" post=284725][quote="OLV72" post=284716]Are we all so sure that the 6 foot 8 4 star guy with the leg problem is not ready to contribute next season?
I know we heard that he's not healthy yet. I'm hoping what we're hearing is wrong.[/quote]
From staf feedback, little is expected of him. Secondly he would have been guy nudged out if they needed roster spot. Lastly, he is raw, rail thin & a small forward. Take a look at the guys sitting out this year and it easy to see PT will be tough to get for him.[/quote]
Paultz,
Thanks for the response. It does seem to be a key decision the staff is making this off-season by sticking with him. I am thinking they prefer him for the long term over the remaining one year transfers or the ones that are coming out late. I am hoping we see him make it on the court - even if it takes till January when the real games start. He should be a key player down the road.
I know we heard that he's not healthy yet. I'm hoping what we're hearing is wrong.[/quote]
From staf feedback, little is expected of him. Secondly he would have been guy nudged out if they needed roster spot. Lastly, he is raw, rail thin & a small forward. Take a look at the guys sitting out this year and it easy to see PT will be tough to get for him.[/quote]
Paultz,
Thanks for the response. It does seem to be a key decision the staff is making this off-season by sticking with him. I am thinking they prefer him for the long term over the remaining one year transfers or the ones that are coming out late. I am hoping we see him make it on the court - even if it takes till January when the real games start. He should be a key player down the road.
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[quote="NCJohnnie" post=284818]Room112 wrote: We really don't have the minutes to offer a grad transfer big, and if someone would do a minutes distribution for next season, you can see that. Figure there are 200 minutes in a game for 5 positions 40 minutes per. Ponds, Simon and Clark are all going to command 30+ minutes and maybe even up to 100 total per game. So off the bat, half of our minutes are gone. Someone want to fill in the rest realistically?
Room112, IDRAFT did just that yesterday on page 5 of the Roster thread. I agree that we don't have starter's minutes to offer a grad big at this point, but we really could use a backup big who can give us 10-15 meaningful mpg. May be too late to find at this point.[/quote]
Quick question to you guys. If there were 12 x 4 star G's and Wing's on the roster would the team need a big at all?
Room112, IDRAFT did just that yesterday on page 5 of the Roster thread. I agree that we don't have starter's minutes to offer a grad big at this point, but we really could use a backup big who can give us 10-15 meaningful mpg. May be too late to find at this point.[/quote]
Quick question to you guys. If there were 12 x 4 star G's and Wing's on the roster would the team need a big at all?
[quote="OLV72" post=284826][quote="Delaware" post=284824]I agree. Between injuries and defections, there would be room. Amazing that this staff can't envision and prepare for that.[/quote]
An injury won't free up a scholarship so it comes down to telling a recruit that we will push out one of our current players to make room for him.
I don't see how that discussion works out for either party. The recruit knows that any coach doing that to a current player will do it to him.
They would have make room now by accomodating a transfer for one the current kids and clearing space now.
It seems that they are staying with the players they have on the roster with a view towards the long term.[/quote]
I agree it’s unseemly to push a guy out for another recruit and would definitely be used against us by other programs.
But guessing ‘everybody’ does that the Classic way by ‘recruiting over’ current players to get a prized recruit.
That’s as old as college hoops.
An injury won't free up a scholarship so it comes down to telling a recruit that we will push out one of our current players to make room for him.
I don't see how that discussion works out for either party. The recruit knows that any coach doing that to a current player will do it to him.
They would have make room now by accomodating a transfer for one the current kids and clearing space now.
It seems that they are staying with the players they have on the roster with a view towards the long term.[/quote]
I agree it’s unseemly to push a guy out for another recruit and would definitely be used against us by other programs.
But guessing ‘everybody’ does that the Classic way by ‘recruiting over’ current players to get a prized recruit.
That’s as old as college hoops.