Yankees - 2020

[quote="Monte" post=399499]Have watched very little baseball this year but at the last minute I decided to throw a few bucks on TB, so I watched. To Fordham's point, this team does not seem to have many situational hitters, like the great Yankee teams of the mid-late 70's and mid-late 90s. Those guys would make the opposing team's pitchers work, and every at bat would be a battle. Those guys also adjusted based on the situation, especially late in close games. This team seems to be all or nothing. And for a guy who guaranteed a win tonight, Voit didn't exactly make himself look like Joe Willie[/quote]

I agree that the composition of the Yankees is different from that of 90's glory years. But the game has changed. And it's hard to compare eras. It's hard to know exactly what accounts for the changes, but a couple of things to note:

1. The shifts that defenses employ have reduced the ability of hitters to get non-HR hits. Situational hitting is harder. Basically, a GM and the math he is employing, and thus the defensive alignment, makes it is harder to hit 'through' a defense, rather than just hit 'over' the defense. It worked for the Rays in the playoffs to hit 'over' the defense, and it almost worked for the Yankees.

The positioning of the defenses is just way better now. Math-wise, those glory year teams in the '70s and '90s hit into 'dumber' defenses. This is a good article on some of this stuff:

[URL]https://www.theringer.com/mlb/2020/8/10/21362068/mlb-babip-low-2020-season[/URL]

2. Power pitching. There are way more relievers throwing 97+ now. I'm sure situational hitting is harder when the pitcher can throw the ball past you and you can't even make contact.

In 1999 the league-wide batting average was .271; in 2020 it was .245; it's a huge differenece.

3. Finally - and this is me just wildly speculating; what else could have a potential impact - a lot less steroids now. In 1990s, that extra bit of strength might allow a player to hit that single, double or HR instead of making an out.


The game is just different. I presume most importantly, it's the GMs telling their players - the heck with the singles. Just swing super hard and hit home runs, draw walks, and we'll live with the strike outs and low batting average.
 
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[quote="SJ_NYC" post=399512][quote="Monte" post=399499]Have watched very little baseball this year but at the last minute I decided to throw a few bucks on TB, so I watched. To Fordham's point, this team does not seem to have many situational hitters, like the great Yankee teams of the mid-late 70's and mid-late 90s. Those guys would make the opposing team's pitchers work, and every at bat would be a battle. Those guys also adjusted based on the situation, especially late in close games. This team seems to be all or nothing. And for a guy who guaranteed a win tonight, Voit didn't exactly make himself look like Joe Willie[/quote]

I agree that the composition of the Yankees is different from that of 90's glory years. But the game has changed. And it's hard to compare eras. It's hard to know exactly what accounts for the changes, but a couple of things to note:

1. The shifts that defenses employ have reduced the ability of hitters to get non-HR hits. Situational hitting is harder. Basically, a GM and the math he is employing, and thus the defensive alignment, makes it is harder to hit 'through' a defense, rather than just hit 'over' the defense. It worked for the Rays in the playoffs to hit 'over' the defense, and it almost worked for the Yankees.

The positioning of the defenses is just way better now. Math-wise, those glory year teams in the '70s and '90s hit into 'dumber' defenses. This is a good article on some of this stuff:

[URL]https://www.theringer.com/mlb/2020/8/10/21362068/mlb-babip-low-2020-season[/URL]

2. Power pitching. There are way more relievers throwing 97+ now. I'm sure situational hitting is harder when the pitcher can throw the ball past you and you can't even make contact.

In 1999 the league-wide batting average was .271; in 2020 it was .245; it's a huge differenece.

3. Finally - and this is me just wildly speculating; what else could have a potential impact - a lot less steroids now. In 1990s, that extra bit of strength might allow a player to hit that single, double or HR instead of making an out.


The game is just different. I presume most importantly, it's the GMs telling their players - the heck with the singles. Just swing super hard and hit home runs, draw walks, and we'll live with the strike outs and low batting average.[/quote]

I appreciate your insight. All valid points. Are most of the team built this way? Knowing what I know about the Astros, it would seem that they have more versatile hitters then the Yanks do. As someone who did fantasy baseball up until 3 years ago, I feel like a dunce asking these questions. LOL.
 
[quote="SJ_NYC" post=399512]
3. Finally - and this is me just wildly speculating; what else could have a potential impact - a lot less steroids now. In 1990s, that extra bit of strength might allow a player to hit that single, double or HR instead of making an out.
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Another point is Steriods or HGH kept players healthier and playing through injuries. If that wasn't illegal in the game as it is now, can't help but wonder if players who are often hurt would be on the field more often.
 
Losing - by any team you have a rooting interest in - stinks. I usually reflect back to 1960 when a superior Yankee team lost to a lesser team in the Pirates. Watched game with my Dad who - despite living in Brooklyn - raised me to be a Yankee fan. Luckiest guy in the neighborhood.
All the best!
 
[quote="section10" post=399508]ouch. the rays destroyed the yanks, if some how 3 hits is a destruction.
ugh. the rays destroyed the yanks, if some how 2 first row homeruns and 3 to 2 in game wins, clearly means the rays are way better than the yanks
i cringed at the strike/ball calls on the 2nd rays home run hitter and stanton's last at bat[/quote]

I wouldn't call it "destroyed", but I assume you are being facetious.

Problem with Yankees is that they have 1 stud pitcher, need to get a great #2, or hope Severino makes it all the way back.

Sign DJLM, move him to 1B, and trade Voit, while his value is high. Need more situational hitting. Time to cut ties with Sanchez. Let him learn to hit and catch with some other organization.

Don't resign Gardner. Let Frazier be the LF'er, with Tauchman the defensive replacement. Trade Andujar?

I don't see the Yanks playing the free agent market. Tanaka and Paxton should be gone, replaced by Severino & German. Commit to Garcia. Don't screw around with him.
 
Cashman gave Gardner a 2 year deal, so he still has a year left.

The most disappointing things about the yankees was Happ / Paxton not performing and then Severino getting hurt. Severino is probably not back in the rotation until back half of 2021 - and even then he may not be great.

I have no idea what the expect for #2 through #5 next year. There isn't very much in the way of starting pitching. I assume Montgomery, Garcia start just because they are cheap, and they can't sign anyone. German...maybe Perhaps they sign Tanaka for a modest 1 year deal? But he'll probably get two years, which will drive us all nuts.
 
[quote="SJ_NYC" post=399534]Cashman gave Gardner a 2 year deal, so he still has a year left.

The most disappointing things about the yankees was Happ / Paxton not performing and then Severino getting hurt. Severino is probably not back in the rotation until back half of 2021 - and even then he may not be great.

I have no idea what the expect for #2 through #5 next year. There isn't very much in the way of starting pitching. I assume Montgomery, Garcia start just because they are cheap, and they can't sign anyone. German...maybe Perhaps they sign Tanaka for a modest 1 year deal? But he'll probably get two years, which will drive us all nuts.[/quote]

Gardner coming back as a 4th OF is fine by me.
Tauchman can go back to being a pumpkin after this past year.

I 'guess' Montgomery and Garcia are 4 and 5 but man there is a big hole at 2 and 3. Bauer tweeted at Yankees fans the other night one night after tweeting at Red Sox fans. 1. Bauer has some screws loose. 2. Him and Cole supposedly can't stand each other. A few articles out there about how bad their relationship is.

What most surprised me was Boone has a team option for this upcoming year.
 
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[quote="Delaware" post=399531][quote="section10" post=399508]ouch. the rays destroyed the yanks, if some how 3 hits is a destruction.
ugh. the rays destroyed the yanks, if some how 2 first row homeruns and 3 to 2 in game wins, clearly means the rays are way better than the yanks
i cringed at the strike/ball calls on the 2nd rays home run hitter and stanton's last at bat[/quote]

I wouldn't call it "destroyed", but I assume you are being facetious.

Problem with Yankees is that they have 1 stud pitcher, need to get a great #2, or hope Severino makes it all the way back.

Sign DJLM, move him to 1B, and trade Voit, while his value is high. Need more situational hitting. Time to cut ties with Sanchez. Let him learn to hit and catch with some other organization.

Don't resign Gardner. Let Frazier be the LF'er, with Tauchman the defensive replacement. Trade Andujar?

I don't see the Yanks playing the free agent market. Tanaka and Paxton should be gone, replaced by Severino & German. Commit to Garcia. Don't screw around with him.[/quote]

If I'm Cashman, I want to get catcher and so.

Realmuto at catcher and either seminar or viller at ss, move TORRES back to 2nd and DJ to 1st.

Cole, german, sev, monty, and garcia as my starting 5, and try to replace Chapman as the closer.
 
Plague year.
Consider a new manager. Maybe a new GM, who has a very mixed, and expensive record.
 
[quote="Moose" post=399518][quote="SJ_NYC" post=399512]
3. Finally - and this is me just wildly speculating; what else could have a potential impact - a lot less steroids now. In 1990s, that extra bit of strength might allow a player to hit that single, double or HR instead of making an out.
[/quote]

Another point is Steriods or HGH kept players healthier and playing through injuries. If that wasn't illegal in the game as it is now, can't help but wonder if players who are often hurt would be on the field more often.[/quote]

That was Andy Pettite's defense when caught.
 
Gardner has a option for next year that the Yankees can buy out for $2M. Left Field is Fraziers to lose. Will the real Tauchman stand up? Was it last year, or this year or something in-between, I don't mind bringing back Gardner as a 4th or 5th Outfielder but if Tachman had performed similar to last year, I would have let him go.

Garcia and Schmidt have thrown 100 innings once each in their professional careers and after this abbreviated season, the Yankees will look to "manage/control" their innings next year (hopefully in a way that doesn't resemble the Joba rules but more like Severino's a few years back and I am not sure that was handled that great). Speaking of Severino, they will look to do the same with him coming back from TJ surgery (hopefully all will go well). German might get similar treatment after more than a year away. All of this will have to be taken into consideration when building next year's rotation.

Even with Britton able to close, trading Chapman (and getting something worthwhile back at his salary) just means you will have to add another reliever and you are already short. Relievers are so volatile. Ottavino could bounce back like he's done before, or maybe not. Green can do like he did at the beginning of last year or suffer droughts or be dominate like he was this postseason. Either way you need more help here. I agree we should have looked more at Yajure and Nelson in situations during the season. Holder is not an answer.

Realmuto would be nice but there will be a bidding war and I'd rather spend that on pitching either by Free Agency and taken a salary in a trade. Bauer intrigues me but don't know if he and New York, or the clubhouse (with his old pitching buddy Cole) would work out. Could implode. Definitely need to be ready to move on from Sanchez.

Don't like Torres at SS, but I'd rather have him there and DJ at second as I don't see them trading Voit. DJ is perfect for this team and the 1st or 2nd spot in the batting order. Even with him getting considerable more money on this contract, I don't see him going for the "supersub" role like on this past contract.
 
Turns out when Yankees added a year to Chapman deal last fall a full no trade clause kicked in.

Also the Cole/Bauer dynamic is pretty rocky. (See below). I know recently Bauer tweeted praise to Cole and seemed to be egging on Yankees fans.

[URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story...rit-cole-ucla-dont-like-each-other/640362002/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.mlb.com/news/trevor-bauer-talks-gerrit-cole-ucla-days-c278186502[/URL]

[URL]https://www.cincinnati.com/sto...wn-pitches-takes-shot-gerrit-cole/4954324002/[/URL]
 
[quote="Moose" post=399643]Turns out when Yankees added a year to Chapman deal last fall a full no trade clause kicked in.

Also the Cole/Bauer dynamic is pretty rocky. (See below). I know recently Bauer tweeted praise to Cole and seemed to be egging on Yankees fans.

[URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story...rit-cole-ucla-dont-like-each-other/640362002/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.mlb.com/news/trevor-bauer-talks-gerrit-cole-ucla-days-c278186502[/URL]

[URL]https://www.cincinnati.com/sto...wn-pitches-takes-shot-gerrit-cole/4954324002/[/URL][/quote]

Moose, Bauer cannot stand Cole and probably vice-versa although Cole is not as direct as saying it in the past like Bauer.
 
[quote="SJU85" post=399709][quote="Moose" post=399643]Turns out when Yankees added a year to Chapman deal last fall a full no trade clause kicked in.

Also the Cole/Bauer dynamic is pretty rocky. (See below). I know recently Bauer tweeted praise to Cole and seemed to be egging on Yankees fans.

[URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story...rit-cole-ucla-dont-like-each-other/640362002/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.mlb.com/news/trevor-bauer-talks-gerrit-cole-ucla-days-c278186502[/URL]

[URL]https://www.cincinnati.com/sto...wn-pitches-takes-shot-gerrit-cole/4954324002/[/URL][/quote]

Moose, Bauer cannot stand Cole and probably vice-versa although Cole is not as direct as saying it in the past like Bauer.[/quote]

Yeah Cole keeps quiet and Bauer is a loudmouth. Two totally different approaches. Bauer is great pitcher but wacky and out there and I think in NY market it could be like a cigarette over a bed.
 
[quote="Moose" post=399713][quote="SJU85" post=399709][quote="Moose" post=399643]Turns out when Yankees added a year to Chapman deal last fall a full no trade clause kicked in.

Also the Cole/Bauer dynamic is pretty rocky. (See below). I know recently Bauer tweeted praise to Cole and seemed to be egging on Yankees fans.

[URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story...rit-cole-ucla-dont-like-each-other/640362002/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.mlb.com/news/trevor-bauer-talks-gerrit-cole-ucla-days-c278186502[/URL]

[URL]https://www.cincinnati.com/sto...wn-pitches-takes-shot-gerrit-cole/4954324002/[/URL][/quote]

Moose, Bauer cannot stand Cole and probably vice-versa although Cole is not as direct as saying it in the past like Bauer.[/quote]

Yeah Cole keeps quiet and Bauer is a loudmouth. Two totally different approaches. Bauer is great pitcher but wacky and out there and I think in NY market it could be like a cigarette over a bed.[/quote] Exactly why he signs with the Mets and sets our clubhouse on fire.
 
[quote="Moose" post=399643]Turns out when Yankees added a year to Chapman deal last fall a full no trade clause kicked in.

Also the Cole/Bauer dynamic is pretty rocky. (See below). I know recently Bauer tweeted praise to Cole and seemed to be egging on Yankees fans.

[URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story...rit-cole-ucla-dont-like-each-other/640362002/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.mlb.com/news/trevor-bauer-talks-gerrit-cole-ucla-days-c278186502[/URL]

[URL]https://www.cincinnati.com/sto...wn-pitches-takes-shot-gerrit-cole/4954324002/[/URL][/quote]

Actually don't mind keeping chap but he can't be the closer or even the setup man. Wouldn't mind him in the 7th.

Forget Bauer, could be another Gray
 
[quote="EliteBaller K" post=399856]
Forget Bauer, could be another Gray[/quote]

You could say that about any pitcher who never pitched in NY, no?

What worries you?
 
[quote="SJUFAN2" post=399874][quote="EliteBaller K" post=399856]
Forget Bauer, could be another Gray[/quote]

You could say that about any pitcher who never pitched in NY, no?

What worries you?[/quote]

I know you weren't asking me, but I just can't see the Yankees being willing to put up with Bauer's extracurricular stuff. My guess is that they don't make him an offer.

Honestly, their best bets for pitching next year may be a return to form for Severino and German. I also hope that Paxton is willing to sign a 1-year, reasonable deal (not far-fetched, take another shot at young free agency after next year), and that's three guys who, when they're on (admittedly, a big if), give you ace quality stuff, and the cost is 0 players.

I also think that Mark Texiera's idea of trading Voit, and signing Didi, is not that crazy at all. In fact, I think it's perfectly rational (although I make sure I have Didi in the fold before I trade either Voit or Urshela - I don't think their value will ever be higher then it is right now). The Yankees really do need a lefty power bat. They're so right-handed that even 1 lefty bat is not going to achieve good balance, but it would be a start.
 
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