NCAA proposing new college athletics subdivision rooted in direct athlete compensation
The NCAA will introduce a proposal that would grant certain schools more power to compensate athletes in a new way.
Yahoo Sports: NCAA proposing new college athletics subdivision rooted in direct athlete compensation
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Better win now because this may be the last chance we'll ever have to still be competitive. Glad we have Pitino but the TV revenue the football schools bring in is so much higher than the Big East's TV deal.
One positive for us is Title IX, which would require schools to compensate female athletes equally. That means football schools would need to pay hundreds of athletes. St. John's could just pay the two basketball teams. Still pretty concerning for St. John's and it wouldn't surprise me if we end up joining a new conference in the next few years (along with UConn, Nova, Georgetown, and maybe others).
One positive for us is Title IX, which would require schools to compensate female athletes equally. That means football schools would need to pay hundreds of athletes. St. John's could just pay the two basketball teams. Still pretty concerning for St. John's and it wouldn't surprise me if we end up joining a new conference in the next few years (along with UConn, Nova, Georgetown, and maybe others).
There's still a lot of questions about this, but the fact that this is the NCAA's proposal says a lot about where this is heading. Imagine what the Big Ten/SEC wanted...
Some questions are: what's the timeline of implementation for this, does title IX pertain to the "fund" $ (30k) or NIL %, is this breakaway for all sports or just football (obviously this will ultimately be every sport), etc.
Both of us have been the most supportive/eyes wide open about the possibility of those schools joining a conference like the Big 12. This is the ultimate litmus test. Does a school like Seton Hall, Providence, Butler, DePaul want and have the resources to be part of this new scheme? I'm confident Villanova, Georgetown, UCONN, Creighton, Marquette has the resources and wants to. Pre-Pitino, I would've been unsure about ourselves, but now I think we'd be all-in.
Not sure how exactly Title IX would play into this. For instance, the Men's Head Basketball Coach and the Women's Head Basketball Coach does not have to earn the same salary nor do I believe the actual budgets for each program have to be individual.
We are definitely heading into areas of the unknown where no man or woman has gone before.
I'm no expert but I think coaching salaries are different because they're employees rather than student athletes.
From the article:
Entry into the subdivision requires a school to invest, at minimum, $30,000 per year per athlete into what is termed an “enhanced educational trust fund” for at least half of a school’s countable athletes. Schools would determine when athletes receive the amount, which, for four-year athletes, will total at least $120,000. Schools must continue to abide by the framework of Title IX, assuring that 50 percent of the investment be directed toward women athletes.
All the while, athletic departments must juggle compliance with Title IX by retaining women's athletic teams that generate very little revenue and often lose as much as $4 million a year.
I'll say this: St. John's basketball may be better situated than a football G5 or lower level P5 (no shot at joining the SEC/B1G). Many of those football schools I believe already operate at a loss, and this would accelerate that. UConn for instance would almost certainly need to drop football if they don't get invited to a Power 5. Not having to pay 85 football players (and another 85 female athletes) I think would at least allow us to continue operating. Also we may not be worse off than football schools who would be all-in on football (such as some from the SEC).
A huge concern is whether a school with a large endowment, such as Notre Dame (roughly 18X ours), could just buy championships. That's not just a concern for St. John's but the entire college landscape. This news would be much more significant than NIL, which in many cases was already happening (under the table).
So my wife is not a sports fan, start there.
BUT she said she could get into college sports more than pro sports because being amateurs, most of the players are not going to become pros and are playing for the love of the game and for the school that gave them a scholarship. Laudible but naive even back in the day.
Now she can justify her not being into even college sports because in the new landscape everyone is a pro, it's just a difference in how much $$$ goes into whose pocket.
I am probably in the minority on this but I liked the old rules, a scholarship, a small stipend, no free transfers, and some organization (maybe not the NCAA) to police it and really come down seriously hard on the violators.
{Opposite of CRP and his liking this new free market idea, I know, but he succeeded under the old rules too}.
BUT she said she could get into college sports more than pro sports because being amateurs, most of the players are not going to become pros and are playing for the love of the game and for the school that gave them a scholarship. Laudible but naive even back in the day.
Now she can justify her not being into even college sports because in the new landscape everyone is a pro, it's just a difference in how much $$$ goes into whose pocket.
I am probably in the minority on this but I liked the old rules, a scholarship, a small stipend, no free transfers, and some organization (maybe not the NCAA) to police it and really come down seriously hard on the violators.
{Opposite of CRP and his liking this new free market idea, I know, but he succeeded under the old rules too}.
The NCAA could have avoided this by just making football separate 15 years ago. The writing was on the wall and everyone knew football would dictate everything.
What sense does it makes to send volleyball players 3,000 miles to lose money because of your football conference affiliation?
What sense does it makes to send volleyball players 3,000 miles to lose money because of your football conference affiliation?
Yeah and paying a volleyball player millions to match a QB (for Title IX) sounds insane and I don't think the schools would be happy about that, especially since they're trying to profit and many are already losing money.
If football just totally separated from the NCAA that would solve a lot of issues, and most likely is where we're ultimately heading. Glad at least we have a president and coach who will put us in the best position possible throughout these changes. Would be far more concerning if this happened at any other point over the past couple decades.
NCAA could have avoided the NIL by allowing for reasonable stipends. Forward thinking, fair and equitable, timeliness and reasonableness are not adjectives that described the NCAA.
Redenbacher
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This was bound to happen. The NIL concept is a sloppy, inefficient way to pay players and for the vast majority of fans, it just does not fly. As someone else mentioned on another thread--apologies for not remembering who--that when he buys Mets tickets, the Mets don't ask him to make a second payment for the players salaries. To ask college fans to pony up for season tickets AND pony up more money so that a 20-year can make $500k playing college basketball is just not sustainable.
Asking the schools themselves to pay the athletes is no better. The NCAA is in the process of ruining college sports. It's so sad.
Asking the schools themselves to pay the athletes is no better. The NCAA is in the process of ruining college sports. It's so sad.
NYTimes The Athletic noted this morning that record number of football players entered The Portal and that some will get 7 figure NIL compensation.
Redenbacher
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I don't know if Pitino particularly likes the NIL situation. I think it's more a matter of him being practical and knowing that he has no choice but to embrace it whole hog if he wants to win.
The next step will be unions or some other organized collective bargaining to force a revenue sharing model.
These schools might be making less money in 15 years than prior to all of this realignment.
MugCostanza
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I can smell the curry now
