Xavier, Wed. Jan. 6, 9pm, FS1 & 570 AM

My take on the game:

Xavier did their best to gift wrap this game for us. After looking like they would run away with the game in the first half, they went flat and we cut the lead to 4-6 points. I believe we had 5 opportunities to draw very close but failed to capitalize. So instead of having the lead or being nearly even, we went into the locker room with a 6 point deficit - still very nice considering they were the number 10 team in the country.

In the second half, Xavier had us at a safe distance, when they stubbornly decided to stay in a zone. It's as if they were oblivious to the way that we beat Syracuse. I've said before that Mussini has difficulty shooting off the dribble, difficulty creating his own shot as an undersized guard who isn't the quickest guy, and cannot take the ball to the hoop well. I've also said he is the best pure shooter we've had here since Mullin himself, and I won't back off that. In my neighborhood we used to call kids like that zonebusters. Play a zone, give them a little room, and sooner or later they will kill you by shooting over the zone. Mussini did exactly that late in the second half, and when this kid catches fire and the opponent keeps playing zone - watch out. He is a great, reliable catch and shoot player who can fill it up quickly. And he did.

Here's the problem: This team simply doesn't know how to win at this point. Xavier ignored the fact that Mussini was torching them, and thankfully for them, so did Mussini's teammates. After he drew us very close, they forgot who got them there, and on successive trips down the floor didn't reverse the ball to the right corner where he was wide open with tons of room, and on another occasion Durand Johnson launched one from beyond the key that didn't come close.

Forget about the fact that no one who isn't named Johnson or Mussini can come close to the rim on an open outside shot. A team that wins knows how to feed the hot hand, and Mussini was scorching hot.

I'll say this again - Johnson has the best basketball talent on this team, but very little court sense. He can take the ball to the hoop with authority, nail jumpers off the dribble, is athletic, gets off the floor (witness thunderous dunk), hustles his butt off, and hits the floor with regularity. In the schoolyard he would kill most D1 players all day. But he also believes that any time he has the ball the best option is to shoot no matter where he is, how much time is on the clock, or what the game circumstances are. I agree with OLV72 - there will be nights where he will be spectacular and be the reason for a win, and a lot of nights where he can hurt you, especially in crunch time. I'll take him above what else we have, but until (if ever) he learns to play with more discipline, his value is severely limited.

All in all, a surprisingly entertaining game. It appeared that many season ticket holders stayed home, and students still aren't back.

One annoyance. With 2 minutes left Xavier was getting everything they could handle, and the crowd could have helped tip the game. The crowd was engaged but give me a break. Two minutes to go and the game on the line there shouldn't have been an ass touching a seat - everyone should have been up and screaming, and it just didn't happen. To their credit the rich folk in the seatbacks were all up standing at that point, but the rest of the crowd mostly sat.

Footnote: Christian Jones wasn't much of a factor for this 3rd straight Big East game. He wold have made a nice low D1 or Very good D2 player.

Good post Beast. Let me just defend my man cj quickly however. I said myself that Jones played an awful first half, probably his worst of the season. However in the second he played great. 2-2, 2 great assists on big baskets late in the game that for some reason no one ever wants to give him credit for, also a steal, a block, another play where he stopped a fast break by himself by hitting the ball off the the X player creating a TO and low and behold another charge taken, in a big spot. Not a great game but definitely contributed to our run in the second half.
 
My take on the game:

Xavier did their best to gift wrap this game for us. After looking like they would run away with the game in the first half, they went flat and we cut the lead to 4-6 points. I believe we had 5 opportunities to draw very close but failed to capitalize. So instead of having the lead or being nearly even, we went into the locker room with a 6 point deficit - still very nice considering they were the number 10 team in the country.

In the second half, Xavier had us at a safe distance, when they stubbornly decided to stay in a zone. It's as if they were oblivious to the way that we beat Syracuse. I've said before that Mussini has difficulty shooting off the dribble, difficulty creating his own shot as an undersized guard who isn't the quickest guy, and cannot take the ball to the hoop well. I've also said he is the best pure shooter we've had here since Mullin himself, and I won't back off that. In my neighborhood we used to call kids like that zonebusters. Play a zone, give them a little room, and sooner or later they will kill you by shooting over the zone. Mussini did exactly that late in the second half, and when this kid catches fire and the opponent keeps playing zone - watch out. He is a great, reliable catch and shoot player who can fill it up quickly. And he did.

Here's the problem: This team simply doesn't know how to win at this point. Xavier ignored the fact that Mussini was torching them, and thankfully for them, so did Mussini's teammates. After he drew us very close, they forgot who got them there, and on successive trips down the floor didn't reverse the ball to the right corner where he was wide open with tons of room, and on another occasion Durand Johnson launched one from beyond the key that didn't come close.

Forget about the fact that no one who isn't named Johnson or Mussini can come close to the rim on an open outside shot. A team that wins knows how to feed the hot hand, and Mussini was scorching hot.

I'll say this again - Johnson has the best basketball talent on this team, but very little court sense. He can take the ball to the hoop with authority, nail jumpers off the dribble, is athletic, gets off the floor (witness thunderous dunk), hustles his butt off, and hits the floor with regularity. In the schoolyard he would kill most D1 players all day. But he also believes that any time he has the ball the best option is to shoot no matter where he is, how much time is on the clock, or what the game circumstances are. I agree with OLV72 - there will be nights where he will be spectacular and be the reason for a win, and a lot of nights where he can hurt you, especially in crunch time. I'll take him above what else we have, but until (if ever) he learns to play with more discipline, his value is severely limited.

All in all, a surprisingly entertaining game. It appeared that many season ticket holders stayed home, and students still aren't back.

One annoyance. With 2 minutes left Xavier was getting everything they could handle, and the crowd could have helped tip the game. The crowd was engaged but give me a break. Two minutes to go and the game on the line there shouldn't have been an ass touching a seat - everyone should have been up and screaming, and it just didn't happen. To their credit the rich folk in the seatbacks were all up standing at that point, but the rest of the crowd mostly sat.

Footnote: Christian Jones wasn't much of a factor for this 3rd straight Big East game. He wold have made a nice low D1 or Very good D2 player.

Good post Beast. Let me just defend my man cj quickly however. I said myself that Jones played an awful first half, probably his worst of the season. However in the second he played great. 2-2, 2 great assists on big baskets late in the game that for some reason no one ever wants to give him credit for, also a steal, a block, another play where he stopped a fast break by himself by hitting the ball off the the X player creating a TO and low and behold another charge taken, in a big spot. Not a great game but definitely contributed to our run in the second half.

Thanks, Mase. You're one of the best posters here and I respect your opinion. I don't hate CJ as a player at all. He reminds me somewhat of Justin Burrell, not in output, but in having a big body and being enigmatic. I just was strong in cautioning people that his numbers in the pre-Big East season would likely not continue through conference play. He really doesn't have to look over his shoulder at being yanked at the first mistake, and that will help any player. I would say, like almost every player on the roster, he has to work on finishing around the hoop. More than anything I think that takes steely concentration, to the point of getting hit and just focusing on the basket. The only guy I'd give a pass to there is Mussini, because he is so relatively small, gets hammered and not only doesn't get the call, but has little chance of getting off a good shot.

If I were Mullin, I'd:

1) Run a second practice at 10 pm till as late as guys could stand, to focus on hitting wide open shots, the way, ummm, Chris Mullin used to practice by himself at Alumni Hall.
2) Work at finishing around the hoop.
3) Make Mussini run 5 laps in practice for every time he trails the other team's fast break by jogging up court in a crawl.
4) work on guards doubling down on the ball in the post like a bee swarm.
5) Drill into these guys heads that when you take the ball to the hole you should score or get fouled 7 our of 10 times.
6) Train them to make the extra pass to get the best shot possible in a sequence, not the first open look.
 
Johnson is a one year stop gap. You guys getting too worked up about someone who won't be here. He shows flashes and if SJU was going to be competitive he was going to have to play like he does in flashes more frequently.
There are no other options. Mullin is hoping some of it is rust and there will be a game or two that Johnson basically wins for us by scoring a lot.
Do you think we would be better off with Ellison taking more shots? Balamou? Anyone?
Look it annoys me to at times but it is what it is.
I predict he wins a game for us at some point

Who doesn't recognize that? I don't think anyone has called for his benching; he has just not given us much and certainly nothing in terms of senior leadership.

Judging by game thread(s) most people. And as I indicated his gunning even bothers me, but again who else do you want shooting?
How are you quantifying "senior leadership"? Who the hell knows? I am sure in this day and age someone will eventually invent a stat for senior leadership but until that day it is pretty hard to judge.

Leadership is one of those things that is tough to define but you know it when you see it, and when you don't. As for who takes shots, I prefer that players take good shots in the flow of the game; jacking crap because you feel you are entitled because you are the best player or the oldest player is just that, crap. To sum it up, lack of senior leadership is hoisting crap after a tough comeback because you feel you are entitled and ignoring the open hot hand that got you back in the game.

Mullin seems to be ok with his shooting.
You know the point I was making. Complaining about him being a gunner is understandable.
Whether he is a good leader or not is something that really can't be determined by on court things other than maybe hustle. He does hustle.

Just have to agree to disagree; not sure how much Mullin is ok with his play; as you posted earlier, there is not much choice but to play him. As for leadership, it is much more than hustle but I would agree it is largely an opinion from anyone outside the team circle.
 
Agree that was a technical on Mussini but they issued a warning to Xavier in the first half after some Xavier guy dunked well after the whistle was blown. Have to T that guy up also. Sima got a T a couple of games because some red thought he was hanging on the rim.

Mussini"s slam of the ball (he got some height on it too) was in anger at a call and is showing up a ref so we both agree it was a technical. The Xavier player's move was dumb and he could have gotten a tech but it wasn't showing up the ref on hanging on the rim which you can get close to calling a lot of players on, but Sima's tech in the Creighton game was well deserved as he hung and swung.

Chris could have also gotten a technical instead of a warning for being out on the court in the first half instead of the warning he got from the official.



Do not agree. Mussini wasn't even involved in the call. He just showed his frustration over a foul called against one of his teammates, refs should have seen that. Raftery did.

No, the call had nothing to do with it, Mussini was frustrated at himself for not boxing out and giving up the rebound. Regardless of what Raftery said, it was an easy T to call.

This is interesting. Did you pick this up from one of his post game comments? It sure looked like he was pissed over the whistle

I did, he acknowledged he was mad at himself
 
My take on the game:

Xavier did their best to gift wrap this game for us. After looking like they would run away with the game in the first half, they went flat and we cut the lead to 4-6 points. I believe we had 5 opportunities to draw very close but failed to capitalize. So instead of having the lead or being nearly even, we went into the locker room with a 6 point deficit - still very nice considering they were the number 10 team in the country.

In the second half, Xavier had us at a safe distance, when they stubbornly decided to stay in a zone. It's as if they were oblivious to the way that we beat Syracuse. I've said before that Mussini has difficulty shooting off the dribble, difficulty creating his own shot as an undersized guard who isn't the quickest guy, and cannot take the ball to the hoop well. I've also said he is the best pure shooter we've had here since Mullin himself, and I won't back off that. In my neighborhood we used to call kids like that zonebusters. Play a zone, give them a little room, and sooner or later they will kill you by shooting over the zone. Mussini did exactly that late in the second half, and when this kid catches fire and the opponent keeps playing zone - watch out. He is a great, reliable catch and shoot player who can fill it up quickly. And he did.

Here's the problem: This team simply doesn't know how to win at this point. Xavier ignored the fact that Mussini was torching them, and thankfully for them, so did Mussini's teammates. After he drew us very close, they forgot who got them there, and on successive trips down the floor didn't reverse the ball to the right corner where he was wide open with tons of room, and on another occasion Durand Johnson launched one from beyond the key that didn't come close.

Forget about the fact that no one who isn't named Johnson or Mussini can come close to the rim on an open outside shot. A team that wins knows how to feed the hot hand, and Mussini was scorching hot.

I'll say this again - Johnson has the best basketball talent on this team, but very little court sense. He can take the ball to the hoop with authority, nail jumpers off the dribble, is athletic, gets off the floor (witness thunderous dunk), hustles his butt off, and hits the floor with regularity. In the schoolyard he would kill most D1 players all day. But he also believes that any time he has the ball the best option is to shoot no matter where he is, how much time is on the clock, or what the game circumstances are. I agree with OLV72 - there will be nights where he will be spectacular and be the reason for a win, and a lot of nights where he can hurt you, especially in crunch time. I'll take him above what else we have, but until (if ever) he learns to play with more discipline, his value is severely limited.

All in all, a surprisingly entertaining game. It appeared that many season ticket holders stayed home, and students still aren't back.

One annoyance. With 2 minutes left Xavier was getting everything they could handle, and the crowd could have helped tip the game. The crowd was engaged but give me a break. Two minutes to go and the game on the line there shouldn't have been an ass touching a seat - everyone should have been up and screaming, and it just didn't happen. To their credit the rich folk in the seatbacks were all up standing at that point, but the rest of the crowd mostly sat.

Footnote: Christian Jones wasn't much of a factor for this 3rd straight Big East game. He wold have made a nice low D1 or Very good D2 player.

Good post Beast. Let me just defend my man cj quickly however. I said myself that Jones played an awful first half, probably his worst of the season. However in the second he played great. 2-2, 2 great assists on big baskets late in the game that for some reason no one ever wants to give him credit for, also a steal, a block, another play where he stopped a fast break by himself by hitting the ball off the the X player creating a TO and low and behold another charge taken, in a big spot. Not a great game but definitely contributed to our run in the second half.



If I were Mullin, I'd:

1. Be very confident that I know more about basketball than anyone on a fan forum
2. Take no suggestions from anyone on a fan forum
3. Hope that the fact that I have hired two solid recruiters and I am Chris Mullin is enough to bring players to Queens

If number 3 doesn't pan out nothing else will matter.
 
The best thing about Mullin getting warned for being out of the coaches box is I won't have to worry about seeing him sit on the scorers table in the 2nd half :)


Well you won half your bet. LOL
if he's gonna win me money on the under's he can sit on that table all he wants :)

I believe you mean covers not unders.
same thing to me. I always call it unders when I take the points. Kind of like me calling you Austor for 10 years :)


So you never bet the over/under?
I took the points betting sju would lose by less

LOL! I know that!

But there is an actual bet called an under. The bookie sets the total points for the two teams combined and you either bet the over or the under.
 
The best thing about Mullin getting warned for being out of the coaches box is I won't have to worry about seeing him sit on the scorers table in the 2nd half :)


Well you won half your bet. LOL
if he's gonna win me money on the under's he can sit on that table all he wants :)

I believe you mean covers not unders.
same thing to me. I always call it unders when I take the points. Kind of like me calling you Austor for 10 years :)


So you never bet the over/under?
I took the points betting sju would lose by less

LOL! I know that!

But there is an actual bet called an under. The bookie sets the total points for the two teams combined and you either bet the over or the under.
I know that but I'm a creature of habit and when I call something a certain way I don't change or I don't bother to change. Life is easier that way Austor :)
 
The best thing about Mullin getting warned for being out of the coaches box is I won't have to worry about seeing him sit on the scorers table in the 2nd half :)


Well you won half your bet. LOL
if he's gonna win me money on the under's he can sit on that table all he wants :)

I believe you mean covers not unders.
same thing to me. I always call it unders when I take the points. Kind of like me calling you Austor for 10 years :)


So you never bet the over/under?
I took the points betting sju would lose by less

LOL! I know that!

But there is an actual bet called an under. The bookie sets the total points for the two teams combined and you either bet the over or the under.
I know that but I'm a creature of habit and when I call something a certain way I don't change or I don't bother to change. Life is easier that way Austor :)

Ergo the flip phone. Got it.
 
The best thing about Mullin getting warned for being out of the coaches box is I won't have to worry about seeing him sit on the scorers table in the 2nd half :)


Well you won half your bet. LOL
if he's gonna win me money on the under's he can sit on that table all he wants :)

I believe you mean covers not unders.
same thing to me. I always call it unders when I take the points. Kind of like me calling you Austor for 10 years :)


So you never bet the over/under?
I took the points betting sju would lose by less

LOL! I know that!

But there is an actual bet called an under. The bookie sets the total points for the two teams combined and you either bet the over or the under.
I know that but I'm a creature of habit and when I call something a certain way I don't change or I don't bother to change. Life is easier that way Austor :)

Ergo the flip phone. Got it.
EXACTLY !!! :)
 
i miss the game, but indications here are that we are getting better overall as a team. Development of our young guys is the most important thing we can achieve and it seems that it is happening. Our guys are competitive against tough teams lately and we are quite a bit undermanned and young. Can't wait to see what Mullin and Co. can do with a bunch more talent like Lovett, Ponds, Owens. Ahmed, Freudenberg and others added to this core. We will be competitive from the start next season. This season, I just enjoy being the spoiler and seeing the team improve slowly but surely.

Agree, next year is he beginning of the climb.
We will never be bad again, ever.
Very excited for the future.

Agree.. Next year we will have depth at all spots, our freshmen will all be sophisticated and we have significant talent coming in. Going to start opening eyes again. Very excited. Hey Tom, where u live? Salem Mass? I moved up to Portsmouth NH 2 months ago.

Good for you.
You'll love it.
Glad you didn't go to North Carolina.
We'll have to hook up for a game next season.

Yeah me too Tom. In he end, I couldn't just go down to NC because it was cheap and warm. Portsmouth is beautiful, historic, right by the ocean. Night and day difference from NC but I love it.

In the end culture trumps cost.
You get what you pay for.
Very impressed you got there , as Portsmouth and Portland Me, are wicked hot spots right now.
At least we have the makings of the first redmen.com New England chapter.

Yeah I never thought I'd be choosing between two polar opposite type places like that. In the end, Portsmouth was a much richer environment in every way for me and the family. It was an easy decision in the end. I'm still settling in and transitioning up here. Still working on job etc, but in my field that's not very difficult. Beautiful area this NH Seacoast. And definitely a New England chapter is warranted!

Next time I visit my brother in law in Scarborough we should get together for an Allagash Brewery tour!

Yeah I'd love to do that. I live a few miles from Smuttynose and do that all the time. Haven't been to Allagash or Shipyard yet...
 
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Chris Mack on #SJUBB: "He has transfer students, freshman. That’s difficult, but he could have won the game."
8:56 PM - 6 Jan 2016 from Queens, NY

That's a classy comment by Coach Mack.. No doubt Mullin has respect from his peers. He's earned it. As for Mussini, he's a freshman, they make mistakes. Part of the learning process. he will be a integral part of the rebuilding effort the next few years. As will Sima, and Yankuba(SIC).

We could use a big burly guy in the middle at some point..Somebody, 7' and with skills. Might have to go outside the Met area to get one. Guys like Ellenson, Fischer, Grasseil from Creighton, Midwest seems to have quite a supply. Sima needs 30 pounds next year of muscle and he will be great.


We had a BIG burly guy in the middle - his name was Adonis DeLaRosa
He had some skills but, apparently, not the smarts to make it at St John's
 
Sima and Owens are only going to add weight and muscle. Plus both are able to run the floor well. You don't want somebody that will get winded after 5 minutes, unless you are talking about someone getting spot minutes.
 
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