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carmineabbatiello
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No. It's related to the traumatic brain injuries suffered by two of our more prolific posters.
I believe those posters are counting regular season wins only. This team could notch a win or two in the Big East Tournament as well. 10 or 11 conference wins and a win or two in the Big East Tournament.... Yes, I'd feel super confident hearing our name called on Selection Sunday. 11 or 12 conference wins, regardless what occurs in the Big East Tournament; I'd still feel fairly good about making it to the dance.
Mullins Revenge
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The distaste for Jenkins stems from the bizarre obsession by some posters of a past, mediocre pg who Jenkins is 100 times better then.
How many wins did those teams have over ranked teams?
Larry Wright
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That is my point
If 19-12 going into BET
Losing that BET I think makes it more difficult
So think would need a win to feel better
We almost have 60 pages on a loss!!!! Sir Eric, where are you????? 
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If we beat UConn, Marquette, and/or Creighton to get to 19-13 and lose in our first game; yes, I'd feel confident about making the dance. There's numerous scenarios to where we could get to 19-13 (11 conference wins) and be rather firmly in the NCAA Tournament.
They can’t play together. I’m not sure how much more proof anyone needs. They both need the ball in their hands and there is only one ball. Neither one of them makes shooters better.
Dingle disappears in the middle of every game no matter how well he starts. He usually reappears at some point in the second half and then then he’s gone after the under 4. Whose fault that is will vary by poster. The last two minutes of every close game our offensive is literally just Jenkins jumpers unless someone rebounds his miss.
Dingle took just 6 official shots yesterday and he was awarded 10 FTs (8-10). Jenkins had 1 FT on 17 shots. The Xavier starting guards had 26 FTs and made 24 of them.
We have absolutely no ball movement. We have no offensive chemistry. It’s all 1 on 1 and dump downs to Soriano. There is not a single team in the Big East other than maybe DePaul that moves less on offense than us.
I thought Jenkins played one of his best games offensively yesterday, but he clearly doesn’t value free throws. You don’t shoot a three as 30% shooter when you are in the double bonus, your center is on fire, and the opposing starting center has fouled out. There is only one play there.
Just once can we win or lose with a Soriano shot? Do we have to lose every close game with a Jenkins jumper?
No worries. Trust me, I have the same concerns how we are losing games. Understanding it’s a fluid season and things can change for the better. No evidence that they will, but for the first time we have a coach that has a proven résumé. That’s just my point of view.
Your obsession with that PG is one of the most bizarre storylines in the history of this forum.
There will be some VERY happy players on the roster when Jenkins finishes his career next month. Soriano and Zuby love him….but I’d bet there isn’t single guard or wing that can stand playing with him.
I’d love to hear from 79 after there is some distance from this season.
I'm at a point where I blame the other guards for not stepping up. Jenkins is a gamer, has his faults, did not perform well the last 3 minutes of the game, and does shoot a lot. But I don't know if I'd call any of the other guards on our team a gamers or someone who brings it every night. That's not on Jenkins
jerseyshorejohnny
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On my flight back from Cincinnati, so let's break down last night's loss to Xavier.
- In my opinion, this was the worst perfromance outside of the Seton Hall blowout since the Boston College loss. Effort was there for about 10 minutes late in the second half. St. John's was destroyed in transition, beaten by 10 on the glass, hurt in the paint.
This team isn't good enough to win that way. Pitino has said the Johnnies need to play with extraordinary effort. That clearly didn't happen. This team wasn't ready for a game like this after a week off.
The way I see it with the NCAA Tournament. Have to win the four games with DePaul/Georgetown. That leaves six: home for UConn, Creighton, Hall; at Providence, Creighton and Butler. 3-3 gets them in relatively safely. 2-4 it gets dicey.
Still feel this team is in a good spot. But it has to start winning some of these games. The NET ranking is still 38. KenPom is 36.
The wing position was a major problem last night. Desmond Claude did whatever he wanted against Glenn Taylor Jr., RJ Luis and Brady Dunlap. Claude is very good, but St. John's couldn't slow him down. All three of those players have been up and down, especially lately. St. John's needs someone to emerge.
- This team is at its best when there is balance. That wasn't the case yesterday. Joel Soriano and Daniss Jenkins combined to score 46 of their 77 points. The other Johnnies shot a combined 8 for 32. There were only 11 assists on 27 made field goals
I have a positive. Jordan Dingle (ill) and Nahiem Alleyne (ankle) both played despite being game-time decisions. That should help moving forward. Alleyne had not been productive of late before the ankle injury. St. John's needs his shotmaking and perimeter defense.
On my flight back from Cincinnati, so let's break down last night's loss to Xavier.
- In my opinion, this was the worst perfromance outside of the Seton Hall blowout since the Boston College loss. Effort was there for about 10 minutes late in the second half. St. John's was destroyed in transition, beaten by 10 on the glass, hurt in the paint.
This team isn't good enough to win that way. Pitino has said the Johnnies need to play with extraordinary effort. That clearly didn't happen. This team wasn't ready for a game like this after a week off.
The way I see it with the NCAA Tournament. Have to win the four games with DePaul/Georgetown. That leaves six: home for UConn, Creighton, Hall; at Providence, Creighton and Butler. 3-3 gets them in relatively safely. 2-4 it gets dicey.
Still feel this team is in a good spot. But it has to start winning some of these games. The NET ranking is still 38. KenPom is 36.
The wing position was a major problem last night. Desmond Claude did whatever he wanted against Glenn Taylor Jr., RJ Luis and Brady Dunlap. Claude is very good, but St. John's couldn't slow him down. All three of those players have been up and down, especially lately. St. John's needs someone to emerge.
- This team is at its best when there is balance. That wasn't the case yesterday. Joel Soriano and Daniss Jenkins combined to score 46 of their 77 points. The other Johnnies shot a combined 8 for 32. There were only 11 assists on 27 made field goals
I have a positive. Jordan Dingle (ill) and Nahiem Alleyne (ankle) both played despite being game-time decisions. That should help moving forward. Alleyne had not been productive of late before the ankle injury. St. John's needs his shotmaking and perimeter defense.
They certainly can change, I was looking for that “flip” coming off the Nova game and a week of practice and my feeling after last night it just ain't gonna happen, hope I am wrong.
Ditto
To be transparent I don't always agree with your take on Jenkins, but you are 100% correct that our offensive choices at the end of the game yesterday made no sense. When Ousmane fouled out of the game and we were down only two at just under the five minute mark and with us in the double bonus we had a clear path to victory. From there on in, we got to the line only once and Soriano only got a single shot which was a jumper. Hoisting threes by our guards made no sense. We clearly needed to press our advantage, get the ball inside, go to the hoop, shoot foul shots and grind it out. Obviously Xavier knew that was our strategy and defended it well enough but we needed to get it inside and draw fouls anyway. Trying to get the ball down low to Joel should have been our go to every time down the floor.
I also agree that our guards do not get to the line often enough and specifically Jenkins. I was amazed that he has shot less free throws than either Zuby or Luis even though they have played about 1/3 of Jenkins's minutes. For comparison sake Tyler Kolek has shot 111 free throws thus far this season, Devin Carter 96 (19 against us alone) and Posh has shot 66. Thirty eight free throws this season for Jenkins, 21 games in, is far too little for a player who is on the floor the most on the team and plays primarily with the ball in his hands
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I agree dk, no one else has shown the ability to step up. Alleyne was good before he got hurt, Dingle hasn’t shown the ability to really step up, Wilcher just isn’t there yet, Luis is a complete mess, Taylor has regressed, Dunlap hasn’t hit a shot in a month, what do you want Jenkins to do? He’s actually out there busting his ass trying to win. The rest of this season , based on what I saw yesterday, will be Jenkins and Soriano basically trying to will us to victory every game. Other than Jenkins and Soriano , the rest of this team needs to look in the mirror.
SJU Center Court
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Agree Zuby with Joel when shots aren't falling is worth a try. I was hoping RP would try this during the Marquette game.
Recruiting pressure will obviously be high to replace Joel & Jenkins scoring output. I know we assume we will kill portal, but never a sure fire assumption. A lot of holes to fill, but keeping the faith. I personally think we won’t be a serious BE title contender until year 3 of Rick tenure.
At least the infrastructure is in place this year and CRP has a full year under his belt with a high major program in these changing recruiting times. It's easy to feel optimistic that this year's recruiting will be better than last year's.