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 Artest claims that Harden "flopped" after his elbow and that he purposefully walked up behind him seeing he was getting emotional after the dunk.



Yeah, ok Ron.

Guy is an embarrassment. People say he just has mental problems, but overall he's a nice guy. That's simply not true. He's a D-bag. At least man up and admit you made a mistake.
 
 Artest is a thug. Used to be my favorite NBA player, even after he bulldozed through the fans at the Palace in Detroit. Its become too much of a sideshow with this fool, he is surely illiterate, a major liability, and probably has mental health issues self admittedly. His mental issues are no excuse for throwing vicious elbows like this one to an unassuming kid like Harden. Watching those incidents is surreal for me I'm sure a few of you can agree with that feeling.
 
 I agree. He's an embarrassment to our program. When he played for us he was one of my favorite players. Now he's just another thug.
 
Do any of you know Ron Artest personally? Because alot of you are quick to judge his character and call him names like you do. Ron Artest the basketball player and Ron Artest are completely different. You dont have to like him as a player but the personal attacks on him are weak
 
Do any of you know Ron Artest personally? Because alot of you are quick to judge his character and call him names like you do. Ron Artest the basketball player and Ron Artest are completely different. You dont have to like him as a player but the personal attacks on him are weak
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Oh, so that was a basketball play? brutally elbowing a guy in the head, then showing no remorse at all afterwards? He said he won't shake his hand, then say he flopped, and he can't even man up and say he did it on purpose.

I'm sorry, you can choose to believe he's a swell guy. I don't have to know him personally to draw my conclusion of him. Believe me, I've tried to root for him for a long time. This was the last straw for me. Nothing about the Malace at the Palace, or the Harden elbow had anything to do with basketball, they were thuggish and disgusting events.
 
Do any of you know Ron Artest personally? Because alot of you are quick to judge his character and call him names like you do. Ron Artest the basketball player and Ron Artest are completely different. You dont have to like him as a player but the personal attacks on him are weak
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Oh, so that was a basketball play? brutally elbowing a guy in the head, then showing no remorse at all afterwards? He said he won't shake his hand, then say he flopped, and he can't even man up and say he did it on purpose.

I'm sorry, you can choose to believe he's a swell guy. I don't have to know him personally to draw my conclusion of him. Believe me, I've tried to root for him for a long time. This was the last straw for me. Nothing about the Malace at the Palace, or the Harden elbow had anything to do with basketball, they were thuggish and disgusting events.
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Of course I dont condone what he did to Harden but its not like he is the only person who participates in fights/cheap shots. Larry Bird & Dr J must be "thugs" then. Every hockey player must be a criminal. Artest makes alot of mistakes, I dont think anyone would deny that. Extremely double standard to continuously bash him and call him names and give everyone else a pass
 
Do any of you know Ron Artest personally? Because alot of you are quick to judge his character and call him names like you do. Ron Artest the basketball player and Ron Artest are completely different. You dont have to like him as a player but the personal attacks on him are weak
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Oh, so that was a basketball play? brutally elbowing a guy in the head, then showing no remorse at all afterwards? He said he won't shake his hand, then say he flopped, and he can't even man up and say he did it on purpose.

I'm sorry, you can choose to believe he's a swell guy. I don't have to know him personally to draw my conclusion of him. Believe me, I've tried to root for him for a long time. This was the last straw for me. Nothing about the Malace at the Palace, or the Harden elbow had anything to do with basketball, they were thuggish and disgusting events.
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Of course I dont condone what he did to Harden but its not like he is the only person who participates in fights/cheap shots. Larry Bird & Dr J must be "thugs" then. Every hockey player must be a criminal. Artest makes alot of mistakes, I dont think anyone would deny that. Extremely double standard to continuously bash him and call him names and give everyone else a pass
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Well he's a former St. John's player, that's why he's discussed here. Just because other players and other sports may be thugs, doesn't change the fact that Artest is one also. Do not recall Bird or Magic deliberately elbowing a guy to the head like that when the basketball was not even in play. Also, do not recall them going into the stands to fight a fan either.

As far as hockey, usually both players accept the challenge to fight, it's part of the culture of the game. Also, hockey is a contact sport, completely different.

Artest deserves to be bashed. Start a thread on thug hockey players if you want to, but it has little relevance on this board.

He is probably the dirtiest player in basketball right now, and it's not a coincidence he was involved in the most disgraceful event to ever occur during an NBA game.
 
 I saw the malice in the palace live and vividly recall being immersed with support for Ron. I was younger then probably 17 so immaturity has something to do with it but ultimately it's easy to see how volatile of a character he is and I had a lot of sympathy for him back then. He was provoked in a gross manner but the guy has psychological issues on a deep level and I thought he actually represented Queens Bridge well by teaching those jerks a lesson in Detroit.

Now that I have grown a bit older and so has the artist formally known as Artest it's become a tired and sad act. In this case he acted unprovoked and as St. John's fans I do not believe it is entirely out of line to call him out as a person. Ultimately our expectations of him to fly our colors are so low that when he stoops to lower levels it's incredibly disappointing. I'd rather Moe be a classy player averaging career numbers of 12points 7 boards 3 assists then a great player with no place in modern day society
 
Do any of you know Ron Artest personally? Because alot of you are quick to judge his character and call him names like you do. Ron Artest the basketball player and Ron Artest are completely different. You dont have to like him as a player but the personal attacks on him are weak
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Oh, so that was a basketball play? brutally elbowing a guy in the head, then showing no remorse at all afterwards? He said he won't shake his hand, then say he flopped, and he can't even man up and say he did it on purpose.

I'm sorry, you can choose to believe he's a swell guy. I don't have to know him personally to draw my conclusion of him. Believe me, I've tried to root for him for a long time. This was the last straw for me. Nothing about the Malace at the Palace, or the Harden elbow had anything to do with basketball, they were thuggish and disgusting events.
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Of course I dont condone what he did to Harden but its not like he is the only person who participates in fights/cheap shots. Larry Bird & Dr J must be "thugs" then. Every hockey player must be a criminal. Artest makes alot of mistakes, I dont think anyone would deny that. Extremely double standard to continuously bash him and call him names and give everyone else a pass
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Well he's a former St. John's player, that's why he's discussed here. Just because other players and other sports may be thugs, doesn't change the fact that Artest is one also. Do not recall Bird or Magic deliberately elbowing a guy to the head like that when the basketball was not even in play. Also, do not recall them going into the stands to fight a fan either.

As far as hockey, usually both players accept the challenge to fight, it's part of the culture of the game. Also, hockey is a contact sport, completely different.

Artest deserves to be bashed. Start a thread on thug hockey players if you want to, but it has little relevance on this board.

He is probably the dirtiest player in basketball right now, and it's not a coincidence he was involved in the most disgraceful event to ever occur during an NBA game.
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I know why he is being discussed I'm speaking more in general though as to why Ron gets bashed and others get a passed. Again I know he can play dirty and what he did to Harden was terrible, i'm not going to deny that. The point i'm making is that other players dont get held to that standard. Kevin Love, who I have alot of respect for, intentionally stomped on Scola's face and no one ever calls him a thug or shows him the hate Artest receives. (again he deserves some)

Old school guys played extremely dirty and did things of this nature and we idolize them. I believe it was Moses Malone & Barkley who put Bird in a head lock while Dr. J swung on him. The reason I brought up the hockey thing was because all the time I see dirty things. I dont really watch hockey but see highlights of blatant cheap shots and fighting. Yes it is a contact sport but basketball is a very physical game too.

If you watch the brawl in Detroit, Ben Wallace started the whole thing. Ron got hit and was laying down on the scorers table while everything was being figured out. Then the fans got involved and he took action along with others. Many players would of reacted just as he did. It became a dangerous and he defended himself. He shouldn't of did what he did and he apologized but again he isn't the only player who would of got involved in this brawl.

My responses aren't directly answering to you but more as a general discussion on why he becomes the scape goat for everything bad when others like K Love gets passes
 
Do any of you know Ron Artest personally? Because alot of you are quick to judge his character and call him names like you do. Ron Artest the basketball player and Ron Artest are completely different. You dont have to like him as a player but the personal attacks on him are weak
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Oh, so that was a basketball play? brutally elbowing a guy in the head, then showing no remorse at all afterwards? He said he won't shake his hand, then say he flopped, and he can't even man up and say he did it on purpose.

I'm sorry, you can choose to believe he's a swell guy. I don't have to know him personally to draw my conclusion of him. Believe me, I've tried to root for him for a long time. This was the last straw for me. Nothing about the Malace at the Palace, or the Harden elbow had anything to do with basketball, they were thuggish and disgusting events.
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Of course I dont condone what he did to Harden but its not like he is the only person who participates in fights/cheap shots. Larry Bird & Dr J must be "thugs" then. Every hockey player must be a criminal. Artest makes alot of mistakes, I dont think anyone would deny that. Extremely double standard to continuously bash him and call him names and give everyone else a pass
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Well he's a former St. John's player, that's why he's discussed here. Just because other players and other sports may be thugs, doesn't change the fact that Artest is one also. Do not recall Bird or Magic deliberately elbowing a guy to the head like that when the basketball was not even in play. Also, do not recall them going into the stands to fight a fan either.

As far as hockey, usually both players accept the challenge to fight, it's part of the culture of the game. Also, hockey is a contact sport, completely different.

Artest deserves to be bashed. Start a thread on thug hockey players if you want to, but it has little relevance on this board.

He is probably the dirtiest player in basketball right now, and it's not a coincidence he was involved in the most disgraceful event to ever occur during an NBA game.
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I know why he is being discussed I'm speaking more in general though as to why Ron gets bashed and others get a passed. Again I know he can play dirty and what he did to Harden was terrible, i'm not going to deny that. The point i'm making is that other players dont get held to that standard. Kevin Love, who I have alot of respect for, intentionally stomped on Scola's face and no one ever calls him a thug or shows him the hate Artest receives. (again he deserves some)

Old school guys played extremely dirty and did things of this nature and we idolize them. I believe it was Moses Malone & Barkley who put Bird in a head lock while Dr. J swung on him. The reason I brought up the hockey thing was because all the time I see dirty things. I dont really watch hockey but see highlights of blatant cheap shots and fighting. Yes it is a contact sport but basketball is a very physical game too.

If you watch the brawl in Detroit, Ben Wallace started the whole thing. Ron got hit and was laying down on the scorers table while everything was being figured out. Then the fans got involved and he took action along with others. Many players would of reacted just as he did. It became a dangerous and he defended himself. He shouldn't of did what he did and he apologized but again he isn't the only player who would of got involved in this brawl.

My responses aren't directly answering to you but more as a general discussion on why he becomes the scape goat for everything bad when others like K Love gets passes
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I'm not saying that Artest is the only dirty NBA player. Love gets a pass because he is a first time offender (still a terrible thing to do). Artest has a long history of this type of behavior, and I gave him a pass after the Palace incident, but he never learned. I'm not sure how many NBA players would've rushed the stands like that, I would say the number is very low. As an NBA player you have to be prepared for immature fans.

Old NBA players played very rough, and gave very hard fouls, but most of that was done when the basketball was in play, which is what separates Artest's acts from them.

And Artest definitely escalated that brawl, it would not be remembered like it is now had he not been on the court that night.
 
 ...and there were at least 800 people who thought Jim Jones was a great guy. Keep drinking the Kool-Aid.
 
 I am not here to defend Ron or his actions but what I am here to convey is that no one should be quick to judge him based on isolated incidents, I am a firm believer that you should judge a person based on their entire record from beginning to end.

I have known Ron Ron personally and have had the opportunity to play ball with him a few times and also take some classes with him during his tenure at SJU. I think we all know he had a "rough" upbringing and environment which is no excuse for his behavior but what most people fail to realize about him is that he most likely suffers from some sort of clinical depression and needs some professional help which no one around him has helped him seek.

I can honestly say that every time I was around Ron he was nothing but a gentlemen and even in the classroom he contributed to discussions and always asked questions, I never heard a professor speak badly about him. I also know that he gives a lot away to charity, much more than the average millionaire ever would and that overall he has a big heart to help the less fortunate. I do think he needs better people surrounding him and hope for his sake and his kids that he will one day seek out the help he needs but I genuinely do not think he is the "thug" that everyone makes him out to be and think that everyone should be proud that he played here and at that point in time made SJU relevant again.
 
Do any of you know Ron Artest personally? Because alot of you are quick to judge his character and call him names like you do. Ron Artest the basketball player and Ron Artest are completely different. You dont have to like him as a player but the personal attacks on him are weak
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Oh, so that was a basketball play? brutally elbowing a guy in the head, then showing no remorse at all afterwards? He said he won't shake his hand, then say he flopped, and he can't even man up and say he did it on purpose.

I'm sorry, you can choose to believe he's a swell guy. I don't have to know him personally to draw my conclusion of him. Believe me, I've tried to root for him for a long time. This was the last straw for me. Nothing about the Malace at the Palace, or the Harden elbow had anything to do with basketball, they were thuggish and disgusting events.
Click to expand...
 

Of course I dont condone what he did to Harden but its not like he is the only person who participates in fights/cheap shots. Larry Bird & Dr J must be "thugs" then. Every hockey player must be a criminal. Artest makes alot of mistakes, I dont think anyone would deny that. Extremely double standard to continuously bash him and call him names and give everyone else a pass
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Well he's a former St. John's player, that's why he's discussed here. Just because other players and other sports may be thugs, doesn't change the fact that Artest is one also. Do not recall Bird or Magic deliberately elbowing a guy to the head like that when the basketball was not even in play. Also, do not recall them going into the stands to fight a fan either.

As far as hockey, usually both players accept the challenge to fight, it's part of the culture of the game. Also, hockey is a contact sport, completely different.

Artest deserves to be bashed. Start a thread on thug hockey players if you want to, but it has little relevance on this board.

He is probably the dirtiest player in basketball right now, and it's not a coincidence he was involved in the most disgraceful event to ever occur during an NBA game.
Click to expand...
 

I know why he is being discussed I'm speaking more in general though as to why Ron gets bashed and others get a passed. Again I know he can play dirty and what he did to Harden was terrible, i'm not going to deny that. The point i'm making is that other players dont get held to that standard. Kevin Love, who I have alot of respect for, intentionally stomped on Scola's face and no one ever calls him a thug or shows him the hate Artest receives. (again he deserves some)

Old school guys played extremely dirty and did things of this nature and we idolize them. I believe it was Moses Malone & Barkley who put Bird in a head lock while Dr. J swung on him. The reason I brought up the hockey thing was because all the time I see dirty things. I dont really watch hockey but see highlights of blatant cheap shots and fighting. Yes it is a contact sport but basketball is a very physical game too.

If you watch the brawl in Detroit, Ben Wallace started the whole thing. Ron got hit and was laying down on the scorers table while everything was being figured out. Then the fans got involved and he took action along with others. Many players would of reacted just as he did. It became a dangerous and he defended himself. He shouldn't of did what he did and he apologized but again he isn't the only player who would of got involved in this brawl.

My responses aren't directly answering to you but more as a general discussion on why he becomes the scape goat for everything bad when others like K Love gets passes
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I'm not saying that Artest is the only dirty NBA player. Love gets a pass because he is a first time offender (still a terrible thing to do). Artest has a long history of this type of behavior, and I gave him a pass after the Palace incident, but he never learned. I'm not sure how many NBA players would've rushed the stands like that, I would say the number is very low. As an NBA player you have to be prepared for immature fans.

Old NBA players played very rough, and gave very hard fouls, but most of that was done when the basketball was in play, which is what separates Artest's acts from them.

And Artest definitely escalated that brawl, it would not be remembered like it is now had he not been on the court that night.
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You made good points but I gotta disagree with the brawl. He barely fouled Ben Wallace and Wallace attacks him. They had Ron laying down on the scorers table (obviously a bad decision) while they were trying to settle everything down. Idiots in the stands thought they would be cool if they threw stuff at him and he reacted. Ron should of never went up there but that fan got what he deserved, hard to feel bad for alot of them. IMO the fans and lack of security are more to blame then the players.
 
 I am not here to defend Ron or his actions but what I am here to convey is that no one should be quick to judge him based on isolated incidents, I am a firm believer that you should judge a person based on their entire record from beginning to end.

I have known Ron Ron personally and have had the opportunity to play ball with him a few times and also take some classes with him during his tenure at SJU. I think we all know he had a "rough" upbringing and environment which is no excuse for his behavior but what most people fail to realize about him is that he most likely suffers from some sort of clinical depression and needs some professional help which no one around him has helped him seek.

I can honestly say that every time I was around Ron he was nothing but a gentlemen and even in the classroom he contributed to discussions and always asked questions, I never heard a professor speak badly about him. I also know that he gives a lot away to charity, much more than the average millionaire ever would and that overall he has a big heart to help the less fortunate. I do think he needs better people surrounding him and hope for his sake and his kids that he will one day seek out the help he needs but I genuinely do not think he is the "thug" that everyone makes him out to be and think that everyone should be proud that he played here and at that point in time made SJU relevant again.
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Exactly what I was trying to say. I just hate how people talk about him like he is an animal or a murderer.
 
 I am not here to defend Ron or his actions but what I am here to convey is that no one should be quick to judge him based on isolated incidents, I am a firm believer that you should judge a person based on their entire record from beginning to end.

I have known Ron Ron personally and have had the opportunity to play ball with him a few times and also take some classes with him during his tenure at SJU. I think we all know he had a "rough" upbringing and environment which is no excuse for his behavior but what most people fail to realize about him is that he most likely suffers from some sort of clinical depression and needs some professional help which no one around him has helped him seek.

I can honestly say that every time I was around Ron he was nothing but a gentlemen and even in the classroom he contributed to discussions and always asked questions, I never heard a professor speak badly about him. I also know that he gives a lot away to charity, much more than the average millionaire ever would and that overall he has a big heart to help the less fortunate. I do think he needs better people surrounding him and hope for his sake and his kids that he will one day seek out the help he needs but I genuinely do not think he is the "thug" that everyone makes him out to be and think that everyone should be proud that he played here and at that point in time made SJU relevant again.
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By far the best post I have read in this thread. Finally a poster with a little compassion and understanding for someone who suffers from mental illness.
 
 I am not here to defend Ron or his actions but what I am here to convey is that no one should be quick to judge him based on isolated incidents, I am a firm believer that you should judge a person based on their entire record from beginning to end.

I have known Ron Ron personally and have had the opportunity to play ball with him a few times and also take some classes with him during his tenure at SJU. I think we all know he had a "rough" upbringing and environment which is no excuse for his behavior but what most people fail to realize about him is that he most likely suffers from some sort of clinical depression and needs some professional help which no one around him has helped him seek.

I can honestly say that every time I was around Ron he was nothing but a gentlemen and even in the classroom he contributed to discussions and always asked questions, I never heard a professor speak badly about him. I also know that he gives a lot away to charity, much more than the average millionaire ever would and that overall he has a big heart to help the less fortunate. I do think he needs better people surrounding him and hope for his sake and his kids that he will one day seek out the help he needs but I genuinely do not think he is the "thug" that everyone makes him out to be and think that everyone should be proud that he played here and at that point in time made SJU relevant again.
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By far the best post I have read in this thread. Finally a poster with a little compassion and understanding for someone who suffers from mental illness.
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 Yep - we all should consider the entire picture that makes up Ron.

On a lighter note, some rumors abound regarding Ron's next name change:

1) World Metta Pieceamybo'
2) World Elbow B Free
3) World Meeta Mybow
 
 Everyone is entitled to their own opinion about this stuff but it's not ridiculous to ascertain that MWP is a thug. You can know somebody moderately well and 99% of their time on this earth is spent doing good by if that other 1% is spent throwing vicious elbows, throwing tantrums, starting melees, and making terrible rap albums declaring how hard you are then it's not offensive to call him a thug.
Back to what somebody said about Kevin Love, I believe what he did was thuggish and agregiously violent but that's his first incident that I know of. If you asked me to name how many thugs there are in the league I can probably count them on 1 hand. It jut so happens my pointer finger is reserved for moRon Artest.
 
On a lighter note, some rumors abound regarding Ron's next name change:

1) World Metta Pieceamybo'
2) World Elbow B Free
3) World Meeta Mybow
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ROFL :side:
 
 I am not here to defend Ron or his actions but what I am here to convey is that no one should be quick to judge him based on isolated incidents, I am a firm believer that you should judge a person based on their entire record from beginning to end.

I have known Ron Ron personally and have had the opportunity to play ball with him a few times and also take some classes with him during his tenure at SJU. I think we all know he had a "rough" upbringing and environment which is no excuse for his behavior but what most people fail to realize about him is that he most likely suffers from some sort of clinical depression and needs some professional help which no one around him has helped him seek.

I can honestly say that every time I was around Ron he was nothing but a gentlemen and even in the classroom he contributed to discussions and always asked questions, I never heard a professor speak badly about him. I also know that he gives a lot away to charity, much more than the average millionaire ever would and that overall he has a big heart to help the less fortunate. I do think he needs better people surrounding him and hope for his sake and his kids that he will one day seek out the help he needs but I genuinely do not think he is the "thug" that everyone makes him out to be and think that everyone should be proud that he played here and at that point in time made SJU relevant again.
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I've always been in Ron's corner. But each incident is making it harder and harder to defend him. Bottom line is he could seriously hurt someone out there with actions like his elbow to Harden. How many chances is he going to get. Lets say for argument sake someone was willing to overlook the elbow and chalk it up to his upbringing, something going on in his life etc.... Then to react the way he did with idiotic statements about not apologizing, not shaking hands etc is nuts.

A blind man can see he needs professional help. Too bad Ron can't see it.
 
 Or maybe the help can only do so much or medication and professional play are incompatible or any number of other factors. Sometimes the effort to make things better does not yield the desired results.
 
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