Why HBCUs could again become serious options for elite basketball prospects
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[quote="Class of 72" post=391010][quote="L J S A" post=391006][quote="Class of 72" post=391004]
"It shouldn't be a crime that I want to go support my own." This is a quote from one of the athletes.
If he is going to receive the same or better training and academic benefit then fine. If he is making his decision in 2020 to be with own then that thinking reeks of racism based upon the separation of the races.[/quote]
You are calling a black kid racist if he decides to be with his own?[/quote]
I don't give a crap if he is black, brown, yellow or a rainbow but would you sound shockingly outraged if a white kid says "I would rather play only with other white kids, in school that has no blacks and only for a white coach"?
What pandering whites say these days to sound politically correct borders on the ridiculous.
You sound like you are living in Lexington, Kentucky in 1955.[/quote]
What makes you think that HBCUs only have black students and players?
"It shouldn't be a crime that I want to go support my own." This is a quote from one of the athletes.
If he is going to receive the same or better training and academic benefit then fine. If he is making his decision in 2020 to be with own then that thinking reeks of racism based upon the separation of the races.[/quote]
You are calling a black kid racist if he decides to be with his own?[/quote]
I don't give a crap if he is black, brown, yellow or a rainbow but would you sound shockingly outraged if a white kid says "I would rather play only with other white kids, in school that has no blacks and only for a white coach"?
What pandering whites say these days to sound politically correct borders on the ridiculous.
You sound like you are living in Lexington, Kentucky in 1955.[/quote]
What makes you think that HBCUs only have black students and players?
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L J S A
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[quote="Sju grad 13" post=391898]Well our theory is about to be tested. Makur Maker (5 star prospect) younger brother of Thon Maker just chose Howard University over Kentucky, UCLA, Memphis and Kansas.[/quote]
It only took my entire viewing lifetime, but I think top kids may finally be realizing that they'll be in the NBA no matter where they play. And the best part is I don't think Howard paid, so they won out over dirty programs.
Of course most kids will opt for the fancy facilities anyway, but if enough of these kids go to HBCUs, they'll all have great facilities in about five years. I am impressed with Maker having the onions to do this, because he won't benefit from it nearly as much as those who follow if it becomes a trend.
It only took my entire viewing lifetime, but I think top kids may finally be realizing that they'll be in the NBA no matter where they play. And the best part is I don't think Howard paid, so they won out over dirty programs.
Of course most kids will opt for the fancy facilities anyway, but if enough of these kids go to HBCUs, they'll all have great facilities in about five years. I am impressed with Maker having the onions to do this, because he won't benefit from it nearly as much as those who follow if it becomes a trend.
[quote="Paultzman" post=391939]Former Wake Forest Sharone Wright JR @S_Wri2 has committed to Morgan State #PhenomHoops[/quote]
Morgan State also got Troy Baxter from UNLV, Trevor Moore from Cincinnati, Troy Holston from St Joe's, and Nassem Khalid who decommitted from Florida State. Kevin Broadus is getting it done there.
Morgan State also got Troy Baxter from UNLV, Trevor Moore from Cincinnati, Troy Holston from St Joe's, and Nassem Khalid who decommitted from Florida State. Kevin Broadus is getting it done there.
[quote="panther2" post=391959][quote="Paultzman" post=391939]Former Wake Forest Sharone Wright JR @S_Wri2 has committed to Morgan State #PhenomHoops[/quote]
Morgan State also got Troy Baxter from UNLV, Trevor Moore from Cincinnati, Troy Holston from St Joe's, and Nassem Khalid who decommitted from Florida State. Kevin Broadus is getting it done there.[/quote]
Good for him. Let’s hope other coaches can follow suit in a similar fashion.
Morgan State also got Troy Baxter from UNLV, Trevor Moore from Cincinnati, Troy Holston from St Joe's, and Nassem Khalid who decommitted from Florida State. Kevin Broadus is getting it done there.[/quote]
Good for him. Let’s hope other coaches can follow suit in a similar fashion.
This is very good news, so tired of everything being spun from a political perspective. Kids should go to college wherever they feel is the best fit. These schools have served a critical need and so happy to see that kids who can help them bring in some needed revenue are looking their way for whatever reasons.
JohnnyFever
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I think you can be happy for the kid and impressed he went against the grain (though probably a good chance he got some $ for this given how much this has been pushed lately by ESPN and others) but also note that there's a major double standard. It's a nationalist perspective to say things like "my people", "stay with my own", etc. and this is racial nationalism like it or not and segregation of sorts. I understand that all groups haven't been treated the same way or afforded the same opportunities in the past, so that should obviously be noted. But do we really want to go backwards? Do we really want to go down this path of "my own", "my people" when it comes to race? It's like the scene from Goodfellas. DeNiro says to his son "I just think when dating we should all stick to our own". That was set in the 1960's when things really were racist. Is that ok or not by today's standards? You either condemn racial nationalism as a whole or you don't condemn any. Anything in between sets up a dangerous double-standard. The more obsessed we become over race with identity politics and us vs. them tribalism, the less we will see each other as Americans first and race second. We will see each other as enemies with this tribalism. It doesn't matter that white students can attend HBCU's...it's the language being thrown out there related to race that is troubling.
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[quote="Mike Zaun" post=391964]I think you can be happy for the kid and impressed he went against the grain (though probably a good chance he got some $ for this given how much this has been pushed lately by ESPN and others) but also note that there's a major double standard. It's a nationalist perspective to say things like "my people", "stay with my own", etc. and this is racial nationalism like it or not and segregation of sorts. I understand that all groups haven't been treated the same way or afforded the same opportunities in the past, so that should obviously be noted. But do we really want to go backwards? Do we really want to go down this path of "my own", "my people" when it comes to race? It's like the scene from Goodfellas. DeNiro says to his son "I just think when dating we should all stick to our own". That was set in the 1960's when things really were racist. Is that ok or not by today's standards? You either condemn racial nationalism as a whole or you don't condemn any. Anything in between sets up a dangerous double-standard. The more obsessed we become over race with identity politics and us vs. them tribalism, the less we will see each other as Americans first and race second. We will see each other as enemies with this tribalism. It doesn't matter that white students can attend HBCU's...it's the language being thrown out there related to race that is troubling.[/quote]
The reality is that the Public School system in most parts of the United States is segregated. I know this is true for New York City. If a young man plays at Boys High, Robeson, Campus Magnet and a lot of other city schools, most of his teammates are Black. Since we accept this on the high school level, why should anyone have a problem with it on the college level?
The reality is that the Public School system in most parts of the United States is segregated. I know this is true for New York City. If a young man plays at Boys High, Robeson, Campus Magnet and a lot of other city schools, most of his teammates are Black. Since we accept this on the high school level, why should anyone have a problem with it on the college level?
L J S A
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[quote="Mike Zaun" post=391964]I think you can be happy for the kid and impressed he went against the grain (though probably a good chance he got some $ for this given how much this has been pushed lately by ESPN and others) but also note that there's a major double standard. It's a nationalist perspective to say things like "my people", "stay with my own", etc. and this is racial nationalism like it or not and segregation of sorts. I understand that all groups haven't been treated the same way or afforded the same opportunities in the past, so that should obviously be noted. But do we really want to go backwards? Do we really want to go down this path of "my own", "my people" when it comes to race? It's like the scene from Goodfellas. DeNiro says to his son "I just think when dating we should all stick to our own". That was set in the 1960's when things really were racist. Is that ok or not by today's standards? You either condemn racial nationalism as a whole or you don't condemn any. Anything in between sets up a dangerous double-standard. The more obsessed we become over race with identity politics and us vs. them tribalism, the less we will see each other as Americans first and race second. We will see each other as enemies with this tribalism. It doesn't matter that white students can attend HBCU's...it's the language being thrown out there related to race that is troubling.[/quote]
"A lot of people are comfortable with familiarity. Kids could say, 'I would feel welcome that I'm not just an athlete -- I'm part of a community,'" Ed Smith, Maker's guardian, told ESPN recently. "On the visit at Howard, that was the main difference. Just for me on the outside looking in, he's part of the fabric. You're not just the athlete or the Black athlete."
I don't see how anyone could argue what he said.
"A lot of people are comfortable with familiarity. Kids could say, 'I would feel welcome that I'm not just an athlete -- I'm part of a community,'" Ed Smith, Maker's guardian, told ESPN recently. "On the visit at Howard, that was the main difference. Just for me on the outside looking in, he's part of the fabric. You're not just the athlete or the Black athlete."
I don't see how anyone could argue what he said.
Mike Zaun,
This has zero to do with black/white nationalism for God's sake. Assuming these schools exist for a good reason (which is pretty hard to deny), why shouldn't excellent athletes decide to go there like anyone else? There are a million reasons why kids choose colleges and there is no logical reason why an excellent athlete shouldn't be able to go there like anyone else. Just a bunch of nonsense imho.
This has zero to do with black/white nationalism for God's sake. Assuming these schools exist for a good reason (which is pretty hard to deny), why shouldn't excellent athletes decide to go there like anyone else? There are a million reasons why kids choose colleges and there is no logical reason why an excellent athlete shouldn't be able to go there like anyone else. Just a bunch of nonsense imho.
Wouldn't it be great if next year three of the top fifteen recruits got together and selected to play together at Howard or some other HBCU and be a serious contender to win the whole thing.
Then again ,if this happened the NCAA would probably declare that college ineligible.
Then again ,if this happened the NCAA would probably declare that college ineligible.
JohnnyFever
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I applaud the kid for doing what he wants, but just be very clear that this is a blatant double standard. Imagine a white athlete saying he is more comfortable at a white college. He'd be forced to take diversity training and his life and his family's life would be over. Just saying, it's the elephant in the room. I wish him luck, but the double standards could not be more clear.
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I read there are ~ 100 HBCU's, not sure of mix of public vs. private. Specific to D1 athletics, I'd guess there are less than 25. I know the MEAC & SWAC have a lot.
With this signing, and them being private, well known and in major city, I can see how Howard U and a few others can make inroads in NCAA basketball in short order. A few big time pro donations can help expedite.
That said, while SJU is not a HCBU, it can be an increasingly attractive option with Anderson and staff at helm, major city and high diversity among students.
Key is for any student athlete to pick the best fit - whether that be location, coach, diversity, playing time, academic options etc.
With this signing, and them being private, well known and in major city, I can see how Howard U and a few others can make inroads in NCAA basketball in short order. A few big time pro donations can help expedite.
That said, while SJU is not a HCBU, it can be an increasingly attractive option with Anderson and staff at helm, major city and high diversity among students.
Key is for any student athlete to pick the best fit - whether that be location, coach, diversity, playing time, academic options etc.
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[quote="Mike Zaun" post=391971]I applaud the kid for doing what he wants, but just be very clear that this is a blatant double standard. Imagine a white athlete saying he is more comfortable at a white college. He'd be forced to take diversity training and his life and his family's life would be over. Just saying, it's the elephant in the room. I wish him luck, but the double standards could not be more clear.[/quote]
Dont blame the kid...he found a fit for him.
Read Howard's mission statement
[URL]https://www2.howard.edu/about/mission[/URL]
Dont blame the kid...he found a fit for him.
Read Howard's mission statement
[URL]https://www2.howard.edu/about/mission[/URL]
L J S A
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[quote="Mike Zaun" post=391971]I applaud the kid for doing what he wants, but just be very clear that this is a blatant double standard. Imagine a white athlete saying he is more comfortable at a white college. He'd be forced to take diversity training and his life and his family's life would be over. Just saying, it's the elephant in the room. I wish him luck, but the double standards could not be more clear.[/quote]
Why would a white kid even have to say that? All but a handful of schools are white.
Why would a white kid even have to say that? All but a handful of schools are white.
JohnnyFever
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[quote="L J S A" post=391974][quote="Mike Zaun" post=391971]I applaud the kid for doing what he wants, but just be very clear that this is a blatant double standard. Imagine a white athlete saying he is more comfortable at a white college. He'd be forced to take diversity training and his life and his family's life would be over. Just saying, it's the elephant in the room. I wish him luck, but the double standards could not be more clear.[/quote]
Why would a white kid even have to say that? All but a handful of schools are white.[/quote]
Missing the point...admit if a white kid said the same his life would be over instantly in this day in age. But kids can pick any school they want and you can find a school for you that will have the diversity or homogeneity that anyone would want. I'm not blaming the kid. I'm blaming the massive double-standard. At the root of the problem is identity politics which creates "us" vs. "them" mentality which will always divide, increase tension, and create resentment. Don't commit to a school with lots of white people, because they are your oppressor. That is the implication. Don't look at everyone as Americans first. Look at ther skin color first and judge them. Literally the anti-MLK mindset. If you support identity politics that's your choice, but just know the end game. Violence and division.
Why would a white kid even have to say that? All but a handful of schools are white.[/quote]
Missing the point...admit if a white kid said the same his life would be over instantly in this day in age. But kids can pick any school they want and you can find a school for you that will have the diversity or homogeneity that anyone would want. I'm not blaming the kid. I'm blaming the massive double-standard. At the root of the problem is identity politics which creates "us" vs. "them" mentality which will always divide, increase tension, and create resentment. Don't commit to a school with lots of white people, because they are your oppressor. That is the implication. Don't look at everyone as Americans first. Look at ther skin color first and judge them. Literally the anti-MLK mindset. If you support identity politics that's your choice, but just know the end game. Violence and division.
L J S A
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[quote="Mike Zaun" post=391976][quote="L J S A" post=391974][quote="Mike Zaun" post=391971]I applaud the kid for doing what he wants, but just be very clear that this is a blatant double standard. Imagine a white athlete saying he is more comfortable at a white college. He'd be forced to take diversity training and his life and his family's life would be over. Just saying, it's the elephant in the room. I wish him luck, but the double standards could not be more clear.[/quote]
Why would a white kid even have to say that? All but a handful of schools are white.[/quote]
Missing the point...admit if a white kid said the same his life would be over instantly in this day in age. But kids can pick any school they want and you can find a school for you that will have the diversity or homogeneity that anyone would want. I'm not blaming the kid. I'm blaming the massive double-standard. At the root of the problem is identity politics which creates "us" vs. "them" mentality which will always divide, increase tension, and create resentment. Don't commit to a school with lots of white people, because they are your oppressor. That is the implication. Don't look at everyone as Americans first. Look at ther skin color first and judge them. Literally the anti-MLK mindset. If you support identity politics that's your choice, but just know the end game. Violence and division.[/quote]
No, I think you are missing the point. A white kid would never have any reason to say this. It's a silly example.
Why would a white kid even have to say that? All but a handful of schools are white.[/quote]
Missing the point...admit if a white kid said the same his life would be over instantly in this day in age. But kids can pick any school they want and you can find a school for you that will have the diversity or homogeneity that anyone would want. I'm not blaming the kid. I'm blaming the massive double-standard. At the root of the problem is identity politics which creates "us" vs. "them" mentality which will always divide, increase tension, and create resentment. Don't commit to a school with lots of white people, because they are your oppressor. That is the implication. Don't look at everyone as Americans first. Look at ther skin color first and judge them. Literally the anti-MLK mindset. If you support identity politics that's your choice, but just know the end game. Violence and division.[/quote]
No, I think you are missing the point. A white kid would never have any reason to say this. It's a silly example.
L J S A
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[quote="Mike Zaun" post=391976]Don't commit to a school with lots of white people, because they are your oppressor. That is the implication.[/quote]
And if this is their actual experience, should a white guy from Long Island really be criticizing the college choices that they make?
And if this is their actual experience, should a white guy from Long Island really be criticizing the college choices that they make?
I'd suspect Zaun would have an issue with a female choosing an all girls college as well if they chose it for similar reason Maker stated.
And imagine, someone choosing for religious reasons? Whether it be SJU, BYU or Yeshiva U. How could anyone do that?...oh boy.
Fyi...Xavier was all male until 1969.
And imagine, someone choosing for religious reasons? Whether it be SJU, BYU or Yeshiva U. How could anyone do that?...oh boy.
Fyi...Xavier was all male until 1969.
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[quote="L J S A" post=391978][quote="Mike Zaun" post=391976][quote="L J S A" post=391974][quote="Mike Zaun" post=391971]I applaud the kid for doing what he wants, but just be very clear that this is a blatant double standard. Imagine a white athlete saying he is more comfortable at a white college. He'd be forced to take diversity training and his life and his family's life would be over. Just saying, it's the elephant in the room. I wish him luck, but the double standards could not be more clear.[/quote]
Why would a white kid even have to say that? All but a handful of schools are white.[/quote]
Missing the point...admit if a white kid said the same his life would be over instantly in this day in age. But kids can pick any school they want and you can find a school for you that will have the diversity or homogeneity that anyone would want. I'm not blaming the kid. I'm blaming the massive double-standard. At the root of the problem is identity politics which creates "us" vs. "them" mentality which will always divide, increase tension, and create resentment. Don't commit to a school with lots of white people, because they are your oppressor. That is the implication. Don't look at everyone as Americans first. Look at ther skin color first and judge them. Literally the anti-MLK mindset. If you support identity politics that's your choice, but just know the end game. Violence and division.[/quote]
No, I think you are missing the point. A white kid would never have any reason to say this. It's a silly example.[/quote]
Once again, he displays why I won't dialogue with him about these issues.
Why would a white kid even have to say that? All but a handful of schools are white.[/quote]
Missing the point...admit if a white kid said the same his life would be over instantly in this day in age. But kids can pick any school they want and you can find a school for you that will have the diversity or homogeneity that anyone would want. I'm not blaming the kid. I'm blaming the massive double-standard. At the root of the problem is identity politics which creates "us" vs. "them" mentality which will always divide, increase tension, and create resentment. Don't commit to a school with lots of white people, because they are your oppressor. That is the implication. Don't look at everyone as Americans first. Look at ther skin color first and judge them. Literally the anti-MLK mindset. If you support identity politics that's your choice, but just know the end game. Violence and division.[/quote]
No, I think you are missing the point. A white kid would never have any reason to say this. It's a silly example.[/quote]
Once again, he displays why I won't dialogue with him about these issues.
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