Why does it feel like this team is so close

Here's maybe part of the problem with this team:

No matter what anyone says about individuals on this squad, in my opinion we have 11 guys who need to see the court, 12 if you include Drissa, who is such a team first guy he won't make a fuss.

Younger KEEPERS But not ready for prime time. Three of those guys are keepers (Wilcher, Zuby, Dunlap). Essentially all become free agents, so Rick has had to find time and to assess them.

1) Zuby is going to play each game as an understudy to Joel. Soriano is solidly in a funk so bad he doesn't even resemble the guy who was a force in the post in the early going. Zuby is pressing for minutes with spirited play, but when he rebounds or catches a pass with his back to the basket, he turns without regard to the defense waiting for him, and often gets stripped, blocked, or tosses up total garbage. Still Zuby provides interior defense and rebounding and as Soriano struggles, begs for time. Despite having two capable big men, neother are the answer right now.

2) Dunlap - We've seen some flashes of what Dunlap is capable of - a catch and shoot player, can shoot off the dribble, and might just be a bottom of the net shooter at some point. He is scrappy under the boards, hits the deck frequently, but is not a plus defender. Good ceiling, but when given the chance to start, just didn't contribute on offense enough to warrant significant playing time.

3) Wilcher - He looks like a player, but so far has not shown enough of anything in any one area that makes him stand out. He hasn't failed miserably, has had some moments, but hasn't distinguished himself.

The Smart guys

a) Dingle - He looks like he can play. He has gone off to score baskets quickly in a few possessions, then goes silent. In blowout wins, gets greedy at the end to pad a score sheet. He unfortunately is playing like a guy pressing in a tryout. He had good games against good OOC competition for Penn, so I have hope he will put it together here. right now appears to be competing against his teammates and his own head to shine.

b) Ledlum - There are a lot of things to like about Ledlum. He works hard under the boards. He gives up his body and hits the deck continually. On offense, he has some range on his shot, and can take it to the hoop. Unfortunately, has not been a good enough shooter, or strong enough to the hoop to get anyone excited. Part of an ensemble cast, yes. Star, well, no.

Can do it all

RJ Luis is the one spectacular talent we have. He can make absolutely incredible shots. He can follow his own misses for easy put backs. He can bang a 3 now and then. In those moments he is the best talent on the court, and everyone knows it. Unfortunately, doing it all also means bad passes, poor shot selection, wild drives into traffic, defensive lapses, which unfortunately all diminish his value.

What's the point

Jenkins has been one of the best players for us. That in one sentence, is what's right and wrong about this team. He makes some big shots, carries a big part of the scoring load, but you wish there were better options on the team if you want to make the tourney. Simply put, the guy with the ball in his hands has to be better in big moments, playing his best ball in the closing moments and out playing the opponent in the last possessions. On that score, he has not been adequate.

Nahiem the Dream

I would think that just about any team who is capable of cutting down the nets in March would jump at the chance to add Alleyne as a rotation player. Yes, he has been hurt here, but Nahiem has shown enough so far, to understand why he was an important part of UCONN's title last season. Not sure what he'd contribute over 25 minutes per game, but I'd be willing to find out given inconsistencies of others.

Pros and Con-ways

I sort of feel bad for this guy. He can definitely shoot, he isn't overwhelmed out there. I would say if he was in the keeper pool he'd get more minutes than Simeon or Dunlap with more consistent play. Largely has been the odd man out. Probably not thrilled with his choice to come here. Still think he can contribute, but doesn't have the upside of Jenkins, Dingle, or the keepers.

Taylor made

I think we've all seen enough of Glenn Taylor to know he can contribute. Surprisingly he appears to have been yanked when he was playing well, and really hasn't recovered from what appears to be a demotion in favor of Luis. I think he is solid and can play well consistently.

Conclusively Inconclusive

Bottom line, this team will be as good as they finish. They have an upside, and one thing missing at this point has been this team spirit, where guys feed off of each other, celebrating teammates success and raising their collective level of play, especially in big moments. Can they put it together - I firmly believe YES. If these guys forget about the cars they've leased with NIL money, and start playing like someone is trying to steal their lunch, they can be very good. Am I confident about that. Hmm, not really, but I wouldn't be surprised.
 
In my opinion, the failure here to reach our potential belongs to both players and coaches. Maybe , not enough time to audition all the combinations during games so Coach is still mixing and matching. Failed expectations of high level transfers leads to the experimentation. Maybe that eats into player development as well. Lack of speed and defensive effort hasnt helped. Put it all together and you get mixed bag! We were all upset thinking Jenkins hogged the ball but now we know why. But the one factor that really cost us is the failure of anyone to step up end of game and put us over the top in 3 very important games!So far that is the season!
 
the Creighton loss to me personifies the season because, not being able to get to and secure 50/50 balls has been a consistent pain point with me with this team this year.

And that play where Daniss had the ball, and just couldn't hold onto it, to me it is the symbol of the year for this team. Slipping through our fingers. all year.

Now, if the team wants to rewrite the narrative over the next 6 weeks, and be remembered differently in St Johns lore. I look forward to them attempting to do so. But it's gonna take some manning up from a lot of guys
 
The third is to get into the body of the NCAA tournament (First four does not count IMHO) and win a game to get to the round of 32.
IMHO a first four does count and I would sign up for that every other year gladly and die happy. An Ncaa tournament win for us is imaginary like the tooth fairy, Easter bunny and female orgasm. I'll believe it when I see it but won't hold my breath.
 
IMHO a first four does count and I would sign up for that every other year gladly and die happy. An Ncaa tournament win for us is imaginary like the tooth fairy, Easter bunny and female orgasm. I'll believe it when I see it but won't hold my breath.
I'm not even joking 2 separate years a young mjmaherjr ( well at least his college years ) one year got 6 pack of beer in his easter basket ( PRE IPA's ) from the easter bunny and another year I think it was the girls of the big east playboy issue so don't you dare fucking say the easter bunny doesn't exist
 
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I'm not even joking 2 separate years a young mjmaherjr ( well at least his college years ) one year got 6 pack of beer in his easter basket ( PRE IPA's ) from the easter bunny and another year I think it was the girls of the big east playboy issue so don't you dare fucking say the easter bunny doesn't exist
I stand corrected.
 
Just some food for thought:

Rick's 1st season at Providence - Overall record: 17-14 (NIT semifinal)
2nd season: 25-9 (NCAA Final Four)

1st season at Kentucky - Overall record: 14-14 (KY ineligible for postseason play)
2nd season: 22-6 (Finished 1st in SEC, KY ineligible for postseason play)

1st season at Louisville - Overall record: 19-13 (NIT second round)
2nd season: 25-7 (NCAA second round)
 
Just some food for thought:

Rick's 1st season at Providence - Overall record: 17-14 (NIT semifinal)
2nd season: 25-9 (NCAA Final Four)

1st season at Kentucky - Overall record: 14-14 (KY ineligible for postseason play)
2nd season: 22-6 (Finished 1st in SEC, KY ineligible for postseason play)

1st season at Louisville - Overall record: 19-13 (NIT second round)
2nd season: 25-7 (NCAA second round)
Unfortunately, as much as I believe it takes time to build a program, the financial disclaimer "It has been established that past performance is not indicative of future results." applies here. Rick is trying to win now, with a roster of experiencec players. All that matters right is this season, the next game. Our margins become thinner with each blown opportunity. The trap of a losing mentality is to believe that next year things will magically get better. We have no 5 star recruits, and who would you bet on from this roster to bust out as a star next year?

If we are to repeat past successes in year two, we have to do very well in the portal. This is critical to bring in the right guys and high talent. Top teams are being powered by transfers being mixed in with a solid base.

We must finish strong this year to improve next years odds.
 
Hey everyone I'm new here. Why does it feel like this team can compete with the very best in college basketball on any court and then with 5 minutes in the second half just get cooked ?? It has become very frustrating!! Today with Marquette up 15 and playing good defense and then total collapse. Lost by a basket at MSG. Two wins right there and a totally different season.
First of all, welcome aboard and very good
post. As for two wins here and there, you can say that about every middle of the pack Big East team. Or, frankly, most middle of the pack teams in most conferences. That's what seperates the upper tier teams from the middle of the pack teams: they win those few extra tight games.

Reality is that we are a little short on talent to be a top of the conference team. Think about it, of all the kids on this roster who play significant minutes, how many have met or exceeded expectations this season? I'd say that Jenkins has exceeded expectations, and maybe Ledlum and Zuby have met expectations.

Ya just never know how mid major transfers and freshmen are going to fare. Ours have not fared nearly as well as we had hoped.

Having said all of that, we still could have pulled out a couple of more wins if we had just given a full 40 minute effort in all of our games. But we didn't and we are where we are. I expect things to be much different next season.
 
Just some food for thought:

Rick's 1st season at Providence - Overall record: 17-14 (NIT semifinal)
2nd season: 25-9 (NCAA Final Four)

1st season at Kentucky - Overall record: 14-14 (KY ineligible for postseason play)
2nd season: 22-6 (Finished 1st in SEC, KY ineligible for postseason play)

1st season at Louisville - Overall record: 19-13 (NIT second round)
2nd season: 25-7 (NCAA second round)
I know we keep hearing about Rick's second seasons, but this is a completely different era of college basketball. For better or worse, his prior 2nd seasons mean zilch to me. Kinda like "past performance is no guarantee of future results".

Could bomb or could win a national championship.
 
I know we keep hearing about Rick's second seasons, but this is a completely different era of college basketball. For better or worse, his prior 2nd seasons mean zilch to me. Kinda like "past performance is no guarantee of future results".

Could bomb or could win a national championship.
Agree on your 2nd year outlook, I will be looking on season 3 to judge purely on results, but that’s just me. Will continue to root and hope the team suddenly “gets it” this year but have no reason to think that will happen. Look for the program turnaround to start in earnest next year. Lock and load year 3.
 
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A lot of good perceptions and thoughts on this thread.

My 2 cents is that there is good and ample talent on the team, with a few gaps that are critical. Of course, some have underperformed and that is obvious, and that is a part of the reason we have not met our expectations. Also, the parts we do have have not meshed well.

I do believe that RP will be able to recruit here and there is no built-in disadvantage or obstacle to success here, other than poor coaching the past few decades. RP has not lost his fastball and I think next year will build on this year. I see no value on looking back on who shoulda/couklda still been here.

It WAS a valid assumption that we would make the tourney this year, so not doing so, if that were to happen, would be a disappointment and an under-achievement, but again, I think the team is just short on some talent and intangibles that it needs to actually win some of the games we've lost.

Biggest disappointment to me is Joel's disappearing act, but maybe that is because the team is unable or unwilling to ride him and get him the ball in position to score. I do think that he is athletically challenged against the bigger and better bigs, but I see no concerted effort all year long to get him involved on the offensive end. Unfortunately, I see no real fire from him to demand the ball, as the senior leader, so the guys don't feel the compulsion to do it.

Dingle too would have filled one of the missing links if he had come here and been half of what he was in the Ivy. Unfortunately, we have not seen 10% of that and he's been a non-entity.

It is also disappointing to see that there is little sense of urgency, other than maybe by Jenkins, and few seem to come to every game ready and amped to play hard and with purpose. Going thru the motions won't cut it in this league, and maybe it did in some of the other conferences that some of these players came from. The pot has been made here that maybe these guys (or some of them) think that they are better than they are. That seems to be the same attitude that past teams have had here. That would explain the seeming lack of max effort we sometimes see.

All in all, we still have an outside shot this year, and we have a lot to hope for next year and thereafter. As has been said by many, if RP can not reverse our decade's long devolution, no one can or will. But, I am not in that camp. While patience has run thin a long time ago, I still have some and I think it will be rewarded in the coming seasons.

Let's hope for a pleasant surprise these last 6 or 7 games. Then, on the portal games....
 
A lot of good perceptions and thoughts on this thread.

My 2 cents is that there is good and ample talent on the team, with a few gaps that are critical. Of course, some have underperformed and that is obvious, and that is a part of the reason we have not met our expectations. Also, the parts we do have have not meshed well.

I do believe that RP will be able to recruit here and there is no built-in disadvantage or obstacle to success here, other than poor coaching the past few decades. RP has not lost his fastball and I think next year will build on this year. I see no value on looking back on who shoulda/couklda still been here.

It WAS a valid assumption that we would make the tourney this year, so not doing so, if that were to happen, would be a disappointment and an under-achievement, but again, I think the team is just short on some talent and intangibles that it needs to actually win some of the games we've lost.

Biggest disappointment to me is Joel's disappearing act, but maybe that is because the team is unable or unwilling to ride him and get him the ball in position to score. I do think that he is athletically challenged against the bigger and better bigs, but I see no concerted effort all year long to get him involved on the offensive end. Unfortunately, I see no real fire from him to demand the ball, as the senior leader, so the guys don't feel the compulsion to do it.

Dingle too would have filled one of the missing links if he had come here and been half of what he was in the Ivy. Unfortunately, we have not seen 10% of that and he's been a non-entity.

It is also disappointing to see that there is little sense of urgency, other than maybe by Jenkins, and few seem to come to every game ready and amped to play hard and with purpose. Going thru the motions won't cut it in this league, and maybe it did in some of the other conferences that some of these players came from. The pot has been made here that maybe these guys (or some of them) think that they are better than they are. That seems to be the same attitude that past teams have had here. That would explain the seeming lack of max effort we sometimes see.

All in all, we still have an outside shot this year, and we have a lot to hope for next year and thereafter. As has been said by many, if RP can not reverse our decade's long devolution, no one can or will. But, I am not in that camp. While patience has run thin a long time ago, I still have some and I think it will be rewarded in the coming seasons.

Let's hope for a pleasant surprise these last 6 or 7 games. Then, on the portal games....
Good players don’t disappear when times get tough and I find no fault with others for Soriano’s performance. He doesn’t fight for position, doesn’t hold it when he gets it, and fumbles as many passes as he catches cleanly. Not sure why, but for whatever reasons, the fire in his belly has gone out, and that is not anyone’s fault but his own.
 
Good players don’t disappear when times get tough and I find no fault with others for Soriano’s performance. He doesn’t fight for position, doesn’t hold it when he gets it, and fumbles as many passes as he catches cleanly. Not sure why, but for whatever reasons, the fire in his belly has gone out, and that is not anyone’s fault but his own.
This is not directed at RMW, but the reality is that we live in an era of excuses. IE It wasn't Posh's fault that he didn't play as well last season as in prior seasons, it was Curbelo's. It wasn't the player's fault that they played out of control last season, it was Anderson's. Etc. Etc.

No doubt other factors contribute to a player's underperforming, but at the end of the day, the large majority of the fault lays with the player themselves.
 
This is not directed at RMW, but the reality is that we live in an era of excuses. IE It wasn't Posh's fault that he didn't play as well last season as in prior seasons, it was Curbelo's. It wasn't the player's fault that they played out of control last season, it was Anderson's. Etc. Etc.

No doubt other factors contribute to a player's underperforming, but at the end of the day, the large majority of the fault lays with the player themselves.
I completely agree with that, and I have said so in other posts. Joel's regression is frustrating and perplexing to me. Especially disappointed in the lack of fire, urgency and passion.
 
I know we keep hearing about Rick's second seasons, but this is a completely different era of college basketball. For better or worse, his prior 2nd seasons mean zilch to me. Kinda like "past performance is no guarantee of future results".

Could bomb or could win a national championship.

Agreed. Gonna have to show me #missouri

Completely different era with NIL, the portal, seemingly endless transfers, etc.

If Rick can replicate past performance, it indicates he has the ability to adapt to the ever changing landscape of collegiate sports.

THAT would be remarkable.

I have no reason to doubt him...

Let's see.
 
I completely agree with that, and I have said so in other posts. Joel's regression is frustrating and perplexing to me. Especially disappointed in the lack of fire, urgency and passion.
If I misunderstood, certainly my bad, thought you were excusing him and blaming teammates.
 
We pinned most of our pre season optimism on the hope that 2 Ivy League All Stars would translate into BE major contributors .
Ledlum has proved worthy of playing decently and a good teammate . He plays hard on every play but, is undersized and a step and 1/2 slow for the BE to be more than a ok player .

Dingle was suppose to be the Scoring machine that would bring 18 or more Points to the box score every game or, at least average that over the season . Not even close . I think he’s averaging about 9 points a game and hasn’t been a impact player .
He’s also slow for the BE and would be ok if he was scoring at the level expected but , he hasn’t and nearly every game Pitino yanks him for a defensive mistake .
That hasn’t contributed to a close relationship between Coach and Player . Dingle was likely treated royally at Penn. Here he is just another player that is part of the team . Disappointing for both, him and the team . He’s not provided any impact and that was what was expected .
 
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