Where we go from here

[redfazed]

We are now a team that lives and dies by the three point shot. It's not enough, considering the awful state of our defense. But it's also no surprise, considering that our head coach is one of the greatest all-time shooters in the game.

Some interesting stats from the Butler message board about tonight's game:

• 39.8% of SJU points come from behind the arc, which is 14th in the country.
• 41.6% of SJU points are two-pointers (333rd! - very little presence inside the arc)


• St. John's is 6-0 when it has made 41% or more of its three point attempts.
• St. John's is 0-7 when they've made less than 41% of their three point attempts.


http://butlerhoops.com/forum/index....gs-11-1-at-st-johns-red-storm-6-7-12-29.1465/

 

[monte]

We are now a team that lives and dies by the three point shot. It's not enough, considering the awful state of our defense. But it's also no surprise, considering that our head coach is one of the greatest all-time shooters in the game.

Some interesting stats from the Butler message board about tonight's game:

• 39.8% of SJU points come from behind the arc, which is 14th in the country.
• 41.6% of SJU points are two-pointers (333rd! - very little presence inside the arc)


• St. John's is 6-0 when it has made 41% or more of its three point attempts.
• St. John's is 0-7 when they've made less than 41% of their three point attempts.


http://butlerhoops.com/forum/index....gs-11-1-at-st-johns-red-storm-6-7-12-29.1465/

IMO our reliance on the outside shot is born out of necessity, not because our HC is one of the greatest shooters of all time. Thankfully we have guys who can light it up from outside, or lord knows where we'd be getting our points from. Having said that, I hope our front line can step up tonight offensively since I don't see us getting the same kinds of open looks like we did against Cuse.

 

[beast of the east]

We are now a team that lives and dies by the three point shot. It's not enough, considering the awful state of our defense. But it's also no surprise, considering that our head coach is one of the greatest all-time shooters in the game.

Some interesting stats from the Butler message board about tonight's game:

• 39.8% of SJU points come from behind the arc, which is 14th in the country.
• 41.6% of SJU points are two-pointers (333rd! - very little presence inside the arc)


• St. John's is 6-0 when it has made 41% or more of its three point attempts.
• St. John's is 0-7 when they've made less than 41% of their three point attempts.


http://butlerhoops.com/forum/index....gs-11-1-at-st-johns-red-storm-6-7-12-29.1465/

It's very obvious that the game strategy should be to make more than 41% of their 3's.

 

[we are sju]

We are now a team that lives and dies by the three point shot. It's not enough, considering the awful state of our defense. But it's also no surprise, considering that our head coach is one of the greatest all-time shooters in the game.

Some interesting stats from the Butler message board about tonight's game:

• 39.8% of SJU points come from behind the arc, which is 14th in the country.
• 41.6% of SJU points are two-pointers (333rd! - very little presence inside the arc)


• St. John's is 6-0 when it has made 41% or more of its three point attempts.
• St. John's is 0-7 when they've made less than 41% of their three point attempts.


http://butlerhoops.com/forum/index....gs-11-1-at-st-johns-red-storm-6-7-12-29.1465/

IMO our reliance on the outside shot is born out of necessity, not because our HC is one of the greatest shooters of all time. Thankfully we have guys who can light it up from outside, or lord knows where we'd be getting our points from. Having said that, I hope our front line can step up tonight offensively since I don't see us getting the same kinds of open looks like we did against Cuse.

Exactly our strength is our guards and our front line stinks.Ponds, Lovett, Mussini, Ahmed, hell Ellison shooting a three is a better shot for us than anything Owens or Yakwe-which constitutes our front line nowadays-will throw up there.

 

[Andrew]

We are now a team that lives and dies by the three point shot. It's not enough, considering the awful state of our defense. But it's also no surprise, considering that our head coach is one of the greatest all-time shooters in the game.

Some interesting stats from the Butler message board about tonight's game:

• 39.8% of SJU points come from behind the arc, which is 14th in the country.
• 41.6% of SJU points are two-pointers (333rd! - very little presence inside the arc)


• St. John's is 6-0 when it has made 41% or more of its three point attempts.
• St. John's is 0-7 when they've made less than 41% of their three point attempts.


http://butlerhoops.com/forum/index....gs-11-1-at-st-johns-red-storm-6-7-12-29.1465/

IMO our reliance on the outside shot is born out of necessity, not because our HC is one of the greatest shooters of all time. Thankfully we have guys who can light it up from outside, or lord knows where we'd be getting our points from. Having said that, I hope our front line can step up tonight offensively since I don't see us getting the same kinds of open looks like we did against Cuse.

Exactly our strength is our guards and our front line stinks.Ponds, Lovett, Mussini, Ahmed, hell Ellison shooting a three is a better shot for us than anything Owens or Yakwe-which constitutes our front line nowadays-will throw up there.

Overall I agree but we still need to work the inside game to get better looks from the outside. Ahmed has been a poor two point shooter and is capable of improving. We need to set some screens for Lovett and Ponds to attack the basket so they aren't going 1 on 3.

 

[Red.Fans]

Exactly our strength is our guards and our front line stinks.Ponds, Lovett, Mussini, Ahmed, hell Ellison shooting a three is a better shot for us than anything Owens or Yakwe-which constitutes our front line nowadays-will throw up there.

True on the guards but we need production here. It helps ball movement and gives the guards better looks. Some of those high post options we got against Syrexcuse would not have been there if these guys are not involved and an actual option to score. Owens has been pretty efficient under the hoop since some early season missed dunks and the like. I love when Yakwe goes hard to the hoop like his FT line dunk against Cuse, but don't want to see either shooting jumpshots. Don't know why Yakwe has lacked the aggressiveness this season but if he was saving it for BE play then that will be a treat and now is the time.

 

[Jack Williams]

I know I don't post that much anymore, but here are my thoughts on the team. We have 2 glaring weaknesses.



Weakness A - we are too thin and weak down low. Yakwe, Owens, both guys that can jump and block shots. But when it comes down to it, and we need someone to go up and get a tough and muscle out a rebound, we have no one. Look at this Butler game, a close game until Holtmann saw how weak we were down low, they are now taking it to us, aren't throwing up 3s anymore. It is working.


Weakness B - we have no pure scorer outside of one freshman in Ponds. He can't be our only go to guy, he is too small. He's a great player but he can't carry us to a winning season. Harrison tried for 3 years, didn't see success until Pointer/Greene established themselves as a true scoring threats.


Here's the deal. We are getting some bulk to help with weakness A. Clarke and Brown should be able to help. But I see no answer to weakness B. we either have to hope someone on the roster has an epiphany and becomes a scorer, or we have to hope that Justin Simon is the next coming of Josh Hart. Both aren't likely.

I think Mullin really needs to make the tournament next season for his job to be safe. And I don't see it happening, honestly. I really hope I am wrong.

 

[Jack Williams]

I know I don't post that much anymore, but here are my thoughts on the team. We have 2 glaring weaknesses.



Weakness A - we are too thin and weak down low. Yakwe, Owens, both guys that can jump and block shots. But when it comes down to it, and we need someone to go up and get a tough and muscle out a rebound, we have no one. Look at this Butler game, a close game until Holtmann saw how weak we were down low, they are now taking it to us, aren't throwing up 3s anymore. It is working.


Weakness B - we have no pure scorer outside of one freshman in Ponds. He can't be our only go to guy, he is too small. He's a great player but he can't carry us to a winning season. Harrison tried for 3 years, didn't see success until Pointer/Greene established themselves as a true scoring threats.


Here's the deal. We are getting some bulk to help with weakness A. Clarke and Brown should be able to help. But I see no answer to weakness B. we either have to hope someone on the roster has an epiphany and becomes a scorer, or we have to hope that Justin Simon is the next coming of Josh Hart. Both aren't likely.

I think Mullin really needs to make the tournament next season for his job to be safe. And I don't see it happening, honestly. I really hope I am wrong.

FYI,


wrote this in a very depressed state when we down 58-49. I'm not depressed anymore. WE ARE ST JOHNS

 

[beast of the east]

I know I don't post that much anymore, but here are my thoughts on the team. We have 2 glaring weaknesses.



Weakness A - we are too thin and weak down low. Yakwe, Owens, both guys that can jump and block shots. But when it comes down to it, and we need someone to go up and get a tough and muscle out a rebound, we have no one. Look at this Butler game, a close game until Holtmann saw how weak we were down low, they are now taking it to us, aren't throwing up 3s anymore. It is working.


Weakness B - we have no pure scorer outside of one freshman in Ponds. He can't be our only go to guy, he is too small. He's a great player but he can't carry us to a winning season. Harrison tried for 3 years, didn't see success until Pointer/Greene established themselves as a true scoring threats.


Here's the deal. We are getting some bulk to help with weakness A. Clarke and Brown should be able to help. But I see no answer to weakness B. we either have to hope someone on the roster has an epiphany and becomes a scorer, or we have to hope that Justin Simon is the next coming of Josh Hart. Both aren't likely.

I think Mullin really needs to make the tournament next season for his job to be safe. And I don't see it happening, honestly. I really hope I am wrong.

FYI,


wrote this in a very depressed state when we down 58-49. I'm not depressed anymore. WE ARE ST JOHNS

The best thing about goofy freshman is they becomes less goofy sophomores.

Good to see you posting

 

[Class of 72]

I know I don't post that much anymore, but here are my thoughts on the team. We have 2 glaring weaknesses.



Weakness A - we are too thin and weak down low. Yakwe, Owens, both guys that can jump and block shots. But when it comes down to it, and we need someone to go up and get a tough and muscle out a rebound, we have no one. Look at this Butler game, a close game until Holtmann saw how weak we were down low, they are now taking it to us, aren't throwing up 3s anymore. It is working.


Weakness B - we have no pure scorer outside of one freshman in Ponds. He can't be our only go to guy, he is too small. He's a great player but he can't carry us to a winning season. Harrison tried for 3 years, didn't see success until Pointer/Greene established themselves as a true scoring threats.


Here's the deal. We are getting some bulk to help with weakness A. Clarke and Brown should be able to help. But I see no answer to weakness B. we either have to hope someone on the roster has an epiphany and becomes a scorer, or we have to hope that Justin Simon is the next coming of Josh Hart. Both aren't likely.

I think Mullin really needs to make the tournament next season for his job to be safe. And I don't see it happening, honestly. I really hope I am wrong.

FYI,


wrote this in a very depressed state when we down 58-49. I'm not depressed anymore. WE ARE ST JOHNS

We forgive you! Freshmen are known for premature ejaculatory responses.
You'll learn to hold it in for the climax of the game.

 

[redfazed]

We are now a team that lives and dies by the three point shot. It's not enough, considering the awful state of our defense. But it's also no surprise, considering that our head coach is one of the greatest all-time shooters in the game.

Some interesting stats from the Butler message board about tonight's game:

• 39.8% of SJU points come from behind the arc, which is 14th in the country.
• 41.6% of SJU points are two-pointers (333rd! - very little presence inside the arc)


• St. John's is 6-0 when it has made 41% or more of its three point attempts.
• St. John's is 0-7 when they've made less than 41% of their three point attempts.


http://butlerhoops.com/forum/index....gs-11-1-at-st-johns-red-storm-6-7-12-29.1465/

Glad to see this theory get blown up, at least for one night!
Does anyone know why Lovett didn't start last night? This is the second time (that I can recall) that this has happened. It was the conference opener against the #13 team in the country, for cripes sake....and we're not starting our PG?

 

[redfan99d]

We are now a team that lives and dies by the three point shot. It's not enough, considering the awful state of our defense. But it's also no surprise, considering that our head coach is one of the greatest all-time shooters in the game.

Some interesting stats from the Butler message board about tonight's game:

• 39.8% of SJU points come from behind the arc, which is 14th in the country.
• 41.6% of SJU points are two-pointers (333rd! - very little presence inside the arc)


• St. John's is 6-0 when it has made 41% or more of its three point attempts.
• St. John's is 0-7 when they've made less than 41% of their three point attempts.


http://butlerhoops.com/forum/index....gs-11-1-at-st-johns-red-storm-6-7-12-29.1465/

Glad to see this theory get blown up, at least for one night!
Does anyone know why Lovett didn't start last night? This is the second time (that I can recall) that this has happened. It was the conference opener against the #13 team in the country, for cripes sake....and we're not starting our PG?

Looks like staff liked the defensive match up Ellison on Martin. I believe it worked.

 

[Red.Fans]

We are now a team that lives and dies by the three point shot. It's not enough, considering the awful state of our defense. But it's also no surprise, considering that our head coach is one of the greatest all-time shooters in the game.

Some interesting stats from the Butler message board about tonight's game:

• 39.8% of SJU points come from behind the arc, which is 14th in the country.
• 41.6% of SJU points are two-pointers (333rd! - very little presence inside the arc)


• St. John's is 6-0 when it has made 41% or more of its three point attempts.
• St. John's is 0-7 when they've made less than 41% of their three point attempts.


http://butlerhoops.com/forum/index....gs-11-1-at-st-johns-red-storm-6-7-12-29.1465/

Glad to see this theory get blown up, at least for one night!
Does anyone know why Lovett didn't start last night? This is the second time (that I can recall) that this has happened. It was the conference opener against the #13 team in the country, for cripes sake....and we're not starting our PG?

Looks like staff liked the defensive match up Ellison on Martin. I believe it worked.

That may have been part of it. I think they had Bashir on him too. In the first no start the staff said it was related to the ankle and against Butler they said he was recovering from a groin strain. As one poster (we are sju maybe?) mentioned, Lovett still doesn't look like he is 100% so it may all be true.

 

[boo haarvey]

We are now a team that lives and dies by the three point shot. It's not enough, considering the awful state of our defense. But it's also no surprise, considering that our head coach is one of the greatest all-time shooters in the game.

Some interesting stats from the Butler message board about tonight's game:

• 39.8% of SJU points come from behind the arc, which is 14th in the country.
• 41.6% of SJU points are two-pointers (333rd! - very little presence inside the arc)


• St. John's is 6-0 when it has made 41% or more of its three point attempts.
• St. John's is 0-7 when they've made less than 41% of their three point attempts.


http://butlerhoops.com/forum/index....gs-11-1-at-st-johns-red-storm-6-7-12-29.1465/

Glad to see this theory get blown up, at least for one night!
Does anyone know why Lovett didn't start last night? This is the second time (that I can recall) that this has happened. It was the conference opener against the #13 team in the country, for cripes sake....and we're not starting our PG?

Looks like staff liked the defensive match up Ellison on Martin. I believe it worked.

That may have been part of it. I think they had Bashir on him too. In the first no start the staff said it was related to the ankle and against Butler they said he was recovering from a groin strain. As one poster (we are sju maybe?) mentioned, Lovett still doesn't look like he is 100% so it may all be true.

My recollection is there was at least one game before the ankle injury where Lovett didn't start.

 

[Red.Fans]

We are now a team that lives and dies by the three point shot. It's not enough, considering the awful state of our defense. But it's also no surprise, considering that our head coach is one of the greatest all-time shooters in the game.

Some interesting stats from the Butler message board about tonight's game:

• 39.8% of SJU points come from behind the arc, which is 14th in the country.
• 41.6% of SJU points are two-pointers (333rd! - very little presence inside the arc)


• St. John's is 6-0 when it has made 41% or more of its three point attempts.
• St. John's is 0-7 when they've made less than 41% of their three point attempts.


http://butlerhoops.com/forum/index....gs-11-1-at-st-johns-red-storm-6-7-12-29.1465/

Glad to see this theory get blown up, at least for one night!
Does anyone know why Lovett didn't start last night? This is the second time (that I can recall) that this has happened. It was the conference opener against the #13 team in the country, for cripes sake....and we're not starting our PG?

Looks like staff liked the defensive match up Ellison on Martin. I believe it worked.

That may have been part of it. I think they had Bashir on him too. In the first no start the staff said it was related to the ankle and against Butler they said he was recovering from a groin strain. As one poster (we are sju maybe?) mentioned, Lovett still doesn't look like he is 100% so it may all be true.

My recollection is there was at least one game before the ankle injury where Lovett didn't start.

I don't recall, Senator.

 

[SJU61982]

We are now a team that lives and dies by the three point shot. It's not enough, considering the awful state of our defense. But it's also no surprise, considering that our head coach is one of the greatest all-time shooters in the game.

Some interesting stats from the Butler message board about tonight's game:

• 39.8% of SJU points come from behind the arc, which is 14th in the country.
• 41.6% of SJU points are two-pointers (333rd! - very little presence inside the arc)


• St. John's is 6-0 when it has made 41% or more of its three point attempts.
• St. John's is 0-7 when they've made less than 41% of their three point attempts.


http://butlerhoops.com/forum/index....gs-11-1-at-st-johns-red-storm-6-7-12-29.1465/

Glad to see this theory get blown up, at least for one night!
Does anyone know why Lovett didn't start last night? This is the second time (that I can recall) that this has happened. It was the conference opener against the #13 team in the country, for cripes sake....and we're not starting our PG?

Looks like staff liked the defensive match up Ellison on Martin. I believe it worked.

That may have been part of it. I think they had Bashir on him too. In the first no start the staff said it was related to the ankle and against Butler they said he was recovering from a groin strain. As one poster (we are sju maybe?) mentioned, Lovett still doesn't look like he is 100% so it may all be true.

My recollection is there was at least one game before the ankle injury where Lovett didn't start.

I don't recall, Senator.

Did not start against Bethune Cookman due to minor issue re: discipline. Also came off the bench vs. Delaware St. for unknown reasons, but actually lead the team in minutes played that night.

 

[RedStormRising]

We are now a team that lives and dies by the three point shot. It's not enough, considering the awful state of our defense. But it's also no surprise, considering that our head coach is one of the greatest all-time shooters in the game.

Some interesting stats from the Butler message board about tonight's game:

• 39.8% of SJU points come from behind the arc, which is 14th in the country.
• 41.6% of SJU points are two-pointers (333rd! - very little presence inside the arc)


• St. John's is 6-0 when it has made 41% or more of its three point attempts.
• St. John's is 0-7 when they've made less than 41% of their three point attempts.


http://butlerhoops.com/forum/index....gs-11-1-at-st-johns-red-storm-6-7-12-29.1465/

Glad to see this theory get blown up, at least for one night!
Does anyone know why Lovett didn't start last night? This is the second time (that I can recall) that this has happened. It was the conference opener against the #13 team in the country, for cripes sake....and we're not starting our PG?

Looks like staff liked the defensive match up Ellison on Martin. I believe it worked.

That may have been part of it. I think they had Bashir on him too. In the first no start the staff said it was related to the ankle and against Butler they said he was recovering from a groin strain. As one poster (we are sju maybe?) mentioned, Lovett still doesn't look like he is 100% so it may all be true.

My recollection is there was at least one game before the ankle injury where Lovett didn't start.

I don't recall, Senator.

Did not start against Bethune Cookman due to minor issue re: discipline. Also came off the bench vs. Delaware St. for unknown reasons, but actually lead the team in minutes played that night.

I'll admit when I was wrong. Mullin strategy versus 'cuse and Bulter was dead on. Dare I dream we go 2-0 in the Big East?