Where we go from here

Agree with Monte and others that we aren't at a breaking point yet, but as many have also said there are things outside of just Ws & Ls that are cause for concern. Patience still required but it's really being tested.

Caught my first game live yesterday, happened to get in early. Even in warm-ups thought team looked flat, surprising with a week off after a loss to LIU. Played okay early, faced one small adjustment (a basic 3-2 zone), 35-5 run ensues. (It's unfortunately besides the point that solid starts followed by getting doors blown off in last 10 minutes of first half has become a habit - Minny, MSU, VCU, and PSU at a minimum). We couldn't counter ourselves until sometime in the 2nd half (small as it was) largely because we were flat and not prepared to adjust ourselves, unacceptable with a week off after a loss to LIU.

College coaching is a grind. I think one of biggest questions hiring a former player to coach, any sport at any level, is will they have the drive to sustain against that grind. 200+ days on the road (more for assistants), wild west of recruiting, balancing both of those things and others with team and game preparation from October-March equaling lots of nights sleeping on office couch, etc. This is hard enough at UNC or Kentucky, as we've see with certain coaches at those schools prior to the present ones. If you already have a legacy secured as a player, aren't relying on continuation in this profession as your livelihood, and are trying to rebuild a program? Who needs it?

Have little doubt CM and staff are putting in significant effort to turn this around. They have seemingly been all over the place recruiting, Matt making regular trips to Florida to check on Zach, etc. But yesterday was hard to watch on a lot of levels, and what is already a challenging rebuild is going to get harder every time we have a game like it. Reducing/eliminating those a key, but have to admit even acknowledging the many coaching styles and sideline demeanor that have been successful, it was tough to watch the coach up 20 acting like he was out if he lost, and the coach down 20 mostly walking around with his arms crossed. Those kind of optics lead back to former player piece - even if he cares and feels pressure, does he feel it the way a guy would if the SJU job might be the best opportunity he'll ever get if he fails? Obviously don't know answer, but realistically hard to fault CM if he didn't.

Good reminder from Happy that we have probably made it harder than it needs to be over the last few hires. Constant talk about an X/O coach who needs a recruiter or a recruiter that needs an X/O coach - there are guys out there that have made a career coaching that can do both and surround themselves with talented assistants at the same time. If this doesn't work out hope we go that route, but we swung for the fences in CM, think it still has a real chance, and think there are 3 key evaluation points over next 12 months:

1. Does team play vast majority of remaining games (in excess of 90%) with energy and purpose demonstrated capable of in Minny, Fordham, and Tulane games. This goes way beyond W/L, and is likely to get only more challenging given Ls that may pile up rest of way. But if baseline commitment to play for program can't be established there are foundational issues that even talent, which we seem to be banking on, will be hard to overcome. Yesterday basic requirements like getting back on defense - down 20+ at home - clearly weren't required and that's concerning.

2. Is there appropriate staff realignment in the spring. Nobody even has to go necessarily, but with way this season is unfolding doubling down on current structure signals lack of accountability. For me, Mitch is earning points for at least expressing genuine exasperation with what is taking place on court which is refreshing. For many reasons, including taking some of aforementioned pressure off of CM, I think this staff needs the Matt version of game coaching and program management. 10-15 years as an assistant, without the name/pedigree to potentially undermine CM, who is hungry like Matt is to advance career. Let Matt and the Matt version of game coaching and program management grow this program under CM.

3. Roster construction and performance next year. Evaluation clock gets bumped up and not back based on performance to date. There needs to be core player retention, additional players added, individual progress and coherent team play that not only results in wins but leaves little doubt program is on right track for years 4 and 5. I thought we would have that part this year separately from record, resoundingly we have not, hope it will stabilize somewhat over next 2 months through answer to #1 but regardless there will be more focus on next year than I think would have been expected 2 months ago.
 
SJU has tried different formulas for success.
1. The assistant who trained at the knee of the retiring legend (Mahoney)
2. The up and coming young, mid major local coach: (Fran)
3. The up and coming middle age , mid major out of town coach. (Jarvis)
4. The well regarded recruiter/assistant from a major program. (Norm)
5. The successful coach from a major program. (Lavin)
6. Finally, the returning hometown hero. (Mullin)

Except for Fran's brief stint at New Mexico, every one on the list ended up out of coaching, at a low level program, in the announcer's booth, or back as an assistant. Jarvis won 4 NCAA tournament games. The others: A combined total of 1. When things go this bad for this long, over this many hires, maybe the guys doing the picking need to be questioned.
 
SJU has tried different formulas for success.
1. The assistant who trained at the knee of the retiring legend (Mahoney)
2. The up and coming young, mid major local coach: (Fran)
3. The up and coming middle age , mid major out of town coach. (Jarvis)
4. The well regarded recruiter/assistant from a major program. (Norm)
5. The successful coach from a major program. (Lavin)
6. Finally, the returning hometown hero. (Mullin)

Except for Fran's brief stint at New Mexico, every one on the list ended up out of coaching, at a low level program, in the announcer's booth, or back as an assistant. Jarvis won 4 NCAA tournament games. The others: A combined total of 1. When things go this bad for this long, over this many hires, maybe the guys doing the picking need to be questioned.

I think almost every one of those coaches were hired by different guys.
Just from memory:
Mahoney - Kaiser.
Fran - Manetta
Jarvis - Manetta
Norm - Harrington/Committee
Lavin - the guy who just left whose name I forgot.
Mullin - Bobby G
 
SJU has tried different formulas for success.
1. The assistant who trained at the knee of the retiring legend (Mahoney)
2. The up and coming young, mid major local coach: (Fran)
3. The up and coming middle age , mid major out of town coach. (Jarvis)
4. The well regarded recruiter/assistant from a major program. (Norm)
5. The successful coach from a major program. (Lavin)
6. Finally, the returning hometown hero. (Mullin)

Except for Fran's brief stint at New Mexico, every one on the list ended up out of coaching, at a low level program, in the announcer's booth, or back as an assistant. Jarvis won 4 NCAA tournament games. The others: A combined total of 1. When things go this bad for this long, over this many hires, maybe the guys doing the picking need to be questioned.


I still believe that Fran would have had a long and very successful career at St John's if he hadn't been a knucklehead
Funny but when he's on TV, he seems "normal"
 
IMPORTANT hole to be filled is player unhappiness. Sima might be first in a parade. We now have a player enviorment where transferring is natural and to be expected-how many tranfers are at practice? Lovett,Ponds etc have never before been in this position and play unhappy and distracted, Best consider this a priority and find some way to keep what we have
 
IMPORTANT hole to be filled is player unhappiness. Sima might be first in a parade. We now have a player enviorment where transferring is natural and to be expected-how many tranfers are at practice? Lovett,Ponds etc have never before been in this position and play unhappy and distracted, Best consider this a priority and find some way to keep what we have

"Then when you get the money, you get the power. Then when you get the power, then you get the women.”
Two of the three would probably work. NCAA might not be happy but it never seems to concern Calipari.
 
I wonder if Mullin suffers from the "Ted Williams Syndrome;" great player that can't translate his physical skills to teach lesser skilled players. I hope not. More likely, the staff's strengths overlap and they miss the right assistant coach with the right set of skills (D-oriented, etc.)
Any site of Mike Repole in the background?

Suspect Repole has bigger thing$ on his mind. Who can blame him?

He was in his customary courtside seat opposite the visiting teams' bench for the Fordham game. Chris came over to him they man hugged and spent a minute or so in conversation prior to the start.
 
For a team with 2 freshman and 2 sophs in the backcourt, and no interior scoring, the offense has been respectable. Sure, there have been games with poor decision making and careless play, but overall reason to hope. Since the defense is so porous for a team with ample quickness, I hope Mullin takes stock at the end of the year and reaches out to a college defensive guru. A coach that can teach multiple defensive schemes to help protect against over-matches that will happen with a too small back court, and a too skinny front court. If somebody on the bench has to go, so be it.
 
SJU has tried different formulas for success.
1. The assistant who trained at the knee of the retiring legend (Mahoney)
2. The up and coming young, mid major local coach: (Fran)
3. The up and coming middle age , mid major out of town coach. (Jarvis)
4. The well regarded recruiter/assistant from a major program. (Norm)
5. The successful coach from a major program. (Lavin)
6. Finally, the returning hometown hero. (Mullin)

Except for Fran's brief stint at New Mexico, every one on the list ended up out of coaching, at a low level program, in the announcer's booth, or back as an assistant. Jarvis won 4 NCAA tournament games. The others: A combined total of 1. When things go this bad for this long, over this many hires, maybe the guys doing the picking need to be questioned.


I still believe that Fran would have had a long and very successful career at St John's if he hadn't been a knucklehead
Funny but when he's on TV, he seems "normal"
everyone is entitled to second chances, heck America loves second chances...if Mully don't work out, I'm a fan of Fran
 
For a team with 2 freshman and 2 sophs in the backcourt, and no interior scoring, the offense has been respectable. Sure, there have been games with poor decision making and careless play, but overall reason to hope. Since the defense is so porous for a team with ample quickness, I hope Mullin takes stock at the end of the year and reaches out to a college defensive guru. A coach that can teach multiple defensive schemes to help protect against over-matches that will happen with a too small back court, and a too skinny front court. If somebody on the bench has to go, so be it.
You maybe onto something. Defense seems like our weakest link.
 
i know they are young, blah blah blah...but id love to see Mully get fired up and lay into them a little for their lackluster play sometimes. Young guys need a good screaming sometimes too. I think I'm harder on my CYO 5th graders than he is..lol
 
i know they are young, blah blah blah...but id love to see Mully get fired up and lay into them a little for their lackluster play sometimes. Young guys need a good screaming sometimes too. I think I'm harder on my CYO 5th graders than he is..lol

He needs to pull and sit Lovett & Ponds, etc. for those teaching moments.
 
For a team with 2 freshman and 2 sophs in the backcourt, and no interior scoring, the offense has been respectable. Sure, there have been games with poor decision making and careless play, but overall reason to hope. Since the defense is so porous for a team with ample quickness, I hope Mullin takes stock at the end of the year and reaches out to a college defensive guru. A coach that can teach multiple defensive schemes to help protect against over-matches that will happen with a too small back court, and a too skinny front court. If somebody on the bench has to go, so be it.

If no staff member chooses to leave, no way Chris moves anyone out. He's a very loyal guy & perhaps a bit stubborn. If someone departs, will his NBA nonsensical inclination continue? Hopefully not, but ....
 
This is almost always the case. Great players expect that people they are coaching, will know, by instinct, what these great players know. But that is the difference between great players, and players who need to be taught. Great players don't always make great coaches. Could this be CM's Achilles heel????
 
SJU has tried different formulas for success.
1. The assistant who trained at the knee of the retiring legend (Mahoney)
2. The up and coming young, mid major local coach: (Fran)
3. The up and coming middle age , mid major out of town coach. (Jarvis)
4. The well regarded recruiter/assistant from a major program. (Norm)
5. The successful coach from a major program. (Lavin)
6. Finally, the returning hometown hero. (Mullin)

Except for Fran's brief stint at New Mexico, every one on the list ended up out of coaching, at a low level program, in the announcer's booth, or back as an assistant. Jarvis won 4 NCAA tournament games. The others: A combined total of 1. When things go this bad for this long, over this many hires, maybe the guys doing the picking need to be questioned.


I still believe that Fran would have had a long and very successful career at St John's if he hadn't been a knucklehead


Funny but when he's on TV, he seems "normal"

You never see him from the waist down on TV
 
For a team with 2 freshman and 2 sophs in the backcourt, and no interior scoring, the offense has been respectable. Sure, there have been games with poor decision making and careless play, but overall reason to hope. Since the defense is so porous for a team with ample quickness, I hope Mullin takes stock at the end of the year and reaches out to a college defensive guru. A coach that can teach multiple defensive schemes to help protect against over-matches that will happen with a too small back court, and a too skinny front court. If somebody on the bench has to go, so be it.

If no staff member chooses to leave, no way Chris moves anyone out. He's a very loyal guy & perhaps a bit stubborn. If someone departs, will his NBA nonsensical inclination continue? Hopefully not, but ....

From your perspective any chance new AD expects to have typical relationship with all of his coaches, where there isn't full autonomy especially where accountability needs to be exacted? Know this is a highly unique situation, but just curious if new AD will have even fractional management influence especially given on-court product?
 
For a team with 2 freshman and 2 sophs in the backcourt, and no interior scoring, the offense has been respectable. Sure, there have been games with poor decision making and careless play, but overall reason to hope. Since the defense is so porous for a team with ample quickness, I hope Mullin takes stock at the end of the year and reaches out to a college defensive guru. A coach that can teach multiple defensive schemes to help protect against over-matches that will happen with a too small back court, and a too skinny front court. If somebody on the bench has to go, so be it.

If no staff member chooses to leave, no way Chris moves anyone out. He's a very loyal guy & perhaps a bit stubborn. If someone departs, will his NBA nonsensical inclination continue? Hopefully not, but ....

From your perspective any chance new AD expects to have typical relationship with all of his coaches, where there isn't full autonomy especially where accountability needs to be exacted? Know this is a highly unique situation, but just curious if new AD will have even fractional management influence especially given on-court product?

I really have no insight into the current management structure SJU15, but certainly hope our new AD would function as CM's superior. IMO, it does not make sense for Joe Oliva to continue supervising Chris.
 
For a team with 2 freshman and 2 sophs in the backcourt, and no interior scoring, the offense has been respectable. Sure, there have been games with poor decision making and careless play, but overall reason to hope. Since the defense is so porous for a team with ample quickness, I hope Mullin takes stock at the end of the year and reaches out to a college defensive guru. A coach that can teach multiple defensive schemes to help protect against over-matches that will happen with a too small back court, and a too skinny front court. If somebody on the bench has to go, so be it.

If no staff member chooses to leave, no way Chris moves anyone out. He's a very loyal guy & perhaps a bit stubborn. If someone departs, will his NBA nonsensical inclination continue? Hopefully not, but ....

From your perspective any chance new AD expects to have typical relationship with all of his coaches, where there isn't full autonomy especially where accountability needs to be exacted? Know this is a highly unique situation, but just curious if new AD will have even fractional management influence especially given on-court product?

I really have no insight into the current management structure SJU15, but certainly hope our new AD would function as CM's superior. IMO, it does not make sense for Joe Oliva to continue supervising Chris.

Lavin went straight to Rob Wile for everything, bypassing Monasch.
Fran's first brush with SJU came when he bypassed Manetta in naming and announcing his staff.
Seriously doubt Mullin and his $2 million salary will take marching orders from the AD.

Part of the problem as I see it is that everyone around SJU idolizes Chris and he really doesn't appear to be answerable to anyone on the org chart
 

Way too many charts and meaningless stats.
Analysis: we've been an up and down team. Haven't established a defensive mindset in games. When we don't share the ball for good shots we tend to lose. Yankuba Sima's game went south and he went out west. Yakwe has not played up to his potential. Bashir Ahmed is taking longer than expected to adjust to D1 and has a low BB IQ. The staff is improving but not fast enough.
Prognosis: Will be exposed by teams with a strong interior game. When we play smart and tough defense we could win some games against some teams but when our shooting is off the charts we can beat anyone in the conference. We can't afford to overlook any team and game preparation is most important.
Fans need to show up vocally and in numbers. Jack Williams needs to rally the students before games unless he has transferred to Delaware State. ;)
 
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