What's your player power rankings through first 2 games?

[quote="lawmanfan" post=403789]I'm going to widen the lens here a bit and go with "through the first two games."

Defense: it has been surprisingly terrible, both individually (for the most part) and as a team. We created our share of turnovers, but we also had an ocean of fouls, both St Peter's and and LaSalle were able to keep up with us running and up and down the floor. Apparently nobody believes in stopping the ball, Moore was woefully disappointing as a rim protector and Toro wasn't a whole lot better. Josh Roberts was the only big who played well defensively down low - and that was against two teams that had no legit big man.

Having said that, I am not concerned about the defense over the long term. It mostly looks like a group that has not had that much time to play together, and a lot of them have not had enough time in the system to play it well. I have confidence that Coach Anderson will get them to play much better defense as time goes on. There was improvement from the first game to the second game, though it's hard to tell what part of that was attributable to the competition level.

Offense: The offense was also disjointed in the first two games, and it seemed as though only a few players were comfortable in their roles. Posh knows what he's supposed to do in handling the ball and running the offense. Cole is a shooter (possibly also a scorer, not sure about that yet) and he gets that. Wusu has a very good feel for when to look for his shot. But other than that, everyone else looked lost for the most part.

Like the defense, I think it will come together over time and Coach Anderson will get it to where it needs to be. The pieces are certainly there to work with, and I don't think the team is going to be offensively challenged which was my main concern coming into the season.

A note on both of those fronts is that with Champagnie out it probably affected both sides of the ball since he's probably a key element of what was being worked on in practice.

As far as individual evaluations, go, I'll go by position:

Bigs: Moore clearly has tremendous ability on offense, but it didn't come together in the first two games. On defense, he was absolutely woeful as a post defender, and I'm not sure how much that's going to improve. Toro was better on D, but not nearly as good as I expected. Josh Roberts was the only one who played well as a post defender. And all of that was playing against teams without a legit big man. Overall we have more length down low, but we may not be much better defending the paint than we were last year unless Roberts plays more or the other two step it up some down low.

Shooters: Not sure whether Cole is James Scott or Bootsy Thornton, but he may be Bootsy. Certainly nothing to complain about the first two games, and it looks completely repeatable. Greg Williams still suffers from lack of confidence and aggression. He got better from the first game to the second game, but he needs to have the eye of the tiger every night. Cararher was atrocious - unfortunately the game is still too fast for him, at least against two teams that were willing to run with us. He may be more productive against half-court teams.

Wings. It took Marcellus 3 halves before he remembered what made him successful last year. I'm not worried about him. Wusu was a very pleasant surprise - he's like Champagnie Junior. Very nice all-around game, plays under control. He looks like a great four-year player.

Point Guards: Alexander played well overall, but I need to see him against better competition. He had a surprisingly poor handle on 3 or 4 occasions and either lost the ball or was lucky to keep it or knock it to a teammate. I expect better from a point guard in that department. Dunn just looked lost without the ball in his hands. It was nice to see him take (and make) a jump shot. I think they may be better off bringing him off the bench to back up Posh rather than trying to play them together (as someone else also noted). I thought McGriff played well in limited minutes and will improve.

The BC game will be a good test to see where we are at.[/quote]

Great & spot on post LMF
 
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One important thing we saw was that Cole, seemed to maybe come across as a one dimensional shooter in the first game, but he dropped 21 with his eyes closed. Against Lasalle he showed he could do more than that. Don’t forget he was out injured for a while and only came back before start of season. I think he can be a bit more than a shooter for us, and it will take time for him to get there. Having a player his height who can’t be unguarded will be a boon for us regardless. Dangerous shooter and maybe quite a bit more than that.
 
I'll come across as a homer here (which I admittedly am) but I will not draw any real negative conclusions on two games respecting guys I saw play a full season last year. On the other hand, very happy to see that guys like Posh, Cole, Moore & Wusu clearly belong in Div I competition. Regarding team defense and offense, kind of natural that they'd be far from where they should be at this point and expect improvement.
Monday & Thursday will tell us more, especially if Champ can play.
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=403833]I'll come across as a homer here (which I admittedly am) but I will not draw any real negative conclusions on two games respecting guys I saw play a full season last year. On the other hand, very happy to see that guys like Posh, Cole, Moore & Wusu clearly belong in Div I competition. Regarding team defense and offense, kind of natural that they'd be far from where they should be at this point and expect improvement.
Monday & Thursday will tell us more, especially if Champ can play.[/quote]

Agree, and I think with a little time we will see that we definitely have more talent overall than last year. I think many people were surprised with how undisciplined at both ends we came out. I think it is likely multi-factorial, but I expect significant improvement. It just so happens that a lot of our new guys are being thrust into big roles right away. Mike Anderson is good at getting his teams to improve and play cohesive ball. We luckily are still 2-0 and that’s all that matters. Let’s keep improving the way I think we can.
 
Predictions for the eventual lineup/rotation.

Posh, Moore, and Champagnie are starters all year, barring injury. (Not exactly going out on a limb with that one).

Wusu claims the fourth starting spot.

The fifth starting spot is a battle between Williams and Cole.

The loser of that battle comes off the bench with Dunn, Earlington, and Roberts/Toro as the second unit.

McGriff spots Alexander some rest.
 
[quote="lawmanfan" post=404097]Predictions for the eventual lineup/rotation.

Posh, Moore, and Champagnie are starters all year, barring injury. (Not exactly going out on a limb with that one).

Wusu claims the fourth starting spot.

The fifth starting spot is a battle between Williams and Cole.

The loser of that battle comes off the bench with Dunn, Earlington, and Roberts/Toro as the second unit.

McGriff spots Alexander some rest.[/quote]

Duke orders meds :)
 
[quote="lawmanfan" post=404097]Predictions for the eventual lineup/rotation.

Posh, Moore, and Champagnie are starters all year, barring injury. (Not exactly going out on a limb with that one).

Wusu claims the fourth starting spot.

The fifth starting spot is a battle between Williams and Cole.

The loser of that battle comes off the bench with Dunn, Earlington, and Roberts/Toro as the second unit.

McGriff spots Alexander some rest.[/quote] I think Cole starts or al least plays a lot of minutes. He’s our best shooter. I also am not convinced Wasu will be a starter.
 
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Posh is the type of athlete who is going a hundred miles an hour while the other nine players are going seventy five. He will force his dribble thru double teams at in opportune times but overall will be a tremendous addition to SJU.
He is so fast with his hands official scorers miss crediting him with a steal. BC will practice today planning to combat his pressure but there are very few players who can supply that skill and energy.
 
Hopefully Posh stays all 4 yrs...because he is Big East ready from day 1 I believe from what I saw. Just needs to adjust dribbling into traffic and working on angles down low to score in the paint on bigger teams.
 
I think Posh, Williams, Cole, Champ, Roberts. Earlington if Champ not ready.
 
[quote="Knight" post=404155]I think Posh, Williams, Cole, Champ, Roberts. Earlington if Champ not ready.[/quote]

Re: Champagnie/Earlington, I meant for the season, not tonight.

There seems to be no question about Posh, Moore, and Champagnie as starters. That leaves Dunn, Earlington, Williams, Cole and Wusu fighting for two spots.

To me Dunn is the first one out of that mix. Without the ball in his hands and a reliable jump shot, he doesn't bring you anything when Posh is on the floor, and is more useful as the leader of your second unit.

I think either Cole or Williams starts, and it gets decided by whether Cole's defense improves faster than Williams' offense or vice versa. If Williams can give you points, he may hang onto the starting job and Cole becomes instant offense off the bench. But if Cole can defend, he may take the spot.

So now we're down to Wusu and Earlington. If the staff decides that Wusu is a good backup for Champagnie, then Earlington starts. But if Wusu continues to play with poise and a nice all-around game, they may keep him with Posh and keep Earlington with Dunn and Roberts.

A starting unit of Posh/Williams/Champagnie/Wusu/Moore and a second unit of Dunn/Cole/Earlington/Toro plus one of the starters or Roberts gives you pretty even performance and lets you keep the same tempo and style for 40 minutes.

Of course there will be game or opponent situations that put different lineups on the floor. But ultimately I see Dunn, Earlington and either Williams or Cole as punch coming in off the bench.

Bear in mind I'm not sure the starters are going to get much more than 60% of the minutes anyway. And it won't shake out for another 4-6 games no matter what.
 
[quote="lawmanfan" post=404168][quote="Knight" post=404155]I think Posh, Williams, Cole, Champ, Roberts. Earlington if Champ not ready.[/quote]

Re: Champagnie/Earlington, I meant for the season, not tonight.

There seems to be no question about Posh, Moore, and Champagnie as starters. That leaves Dunn, Earlington, Williams, Cole and Wusu fighting for two spots.

To me Dunn is the first one out of that mix. Without the ball in his hands and a reliable jump shot, he doesn't bring you anything when Posh is on the floor, and is more useful as the leader of your second unit.

I think either Cole or Williams starts, and it gets decided by whether Cole's defense improves faster than Williams' offense or vice versa. If Williams can give you points, he may hang onto the starting job and Cole becomes instant offense off the bench. But if Cole can defend, he may take the spot.

So now we're down to Wusu and Earlington. If the staff decides that Wusu is a good backup for Champagnie, then Earlington starts. But if Wusu continues to play with poise and a nice all-around game, they may keep him with Posh and keep Earlington with Dunn and Roberts.

A starting unit of Posh/Williams/Champagnie/Wusu/Moore and a second unit of Dunn/Cole/Earlington/Toro plus one of the starters or Roberts gives you pretty even performance and lets you keep the same tempo and style for 40 minutes.

Of course there will be game or opponent situations that put different lineups on the floor. But ultimately I see Dunn, Earlington and either Williams or Cole as punch coming in off the bench.

Bear in mind I'm not sure the starters are going to get much more than 60% of the minutes anyway. And it won't shake out for another 4-6 games no matter what.[/quote]

Earlington is 100% times better then Wusu.
 
[quote="Duke of Earlington" post=404170][quote="lawmanfan" post=404168][quote="Knight" post=404155]I think Posh, Williams, Cole, Champ, Roberts. Earlington if Champ not ready.[/quote]

Re: Champagnie/Earlington, I meant for the season, not tonight.

There seems to be no question about Posh, Moore, and Champagnie as starters. That leaves Dunn, Earlington, Williams, Cole and Wusu fighting for two spots.

To me Dunn is the first one out of that mix. Without the ball in his hands and a reliable jump shot, he doesn't bring you anything when Posh is on the floor, and is more useful as the leader of your second unit.

I think either Cole or Williams starts, and it gets decided by whether Cole's defense improves faster than Williams' offense or vice versa. If Williams can give you points, he may hang onto the starting job and Cole becomes instant offense off the bench. But if Cole can defend, he may take the spot.

So now we're down to Wusu and Earlington. If the staff decides that Wusu is a good backup for Champagnie, then Earlington starts. But if Wusu continues to play with poise and a nice all-around game, they may keep him with Posh and keep Earlington with Dunn and Roberts.

A starting unit of Posh/Williams/Champagnie/Wusu/Moore and a second unit of Dunn/Cole/Earlington/Toro plus one of the starters or Roberts gives you pretty even performance and lets you keep the same tempo and style for 40 minutes.

Of course there will be game or opponent situations that put different lineups on the floor. But ultimately I see Dunn, Earlington and either Williams or Cole as punch coming in off the bench.

Bear in mind I'm not sure the starters are going to get much more than 60% of the minutes anyway. And it won't shake out for another 4-6 games no matter what.[/quote]

Earlington is 100% times better then Wusu.[/quote]

This is simply not the case. Different players. Wusu is a big guard. Earlington should be a PF. Wusu has a higher ceiling but they’re both good players if different. Earlington needs to come to play today.
 
[quote="Duke of Earlington" post=404170]

Earlington is 100% times better then Wusu.[/quote]

I LOVE Earlington. And he has made tremendous progress as a basketball player, and can still develop some more.

But other than a couple of inches and a few pounds, I'm not sure he's better than Wusu in any aspect of the game, at least right now. And there are also chemistry factors to consider in playing Wusu with Posh and Earlington with Dunn.

Just my opinion, no offense to the Duke.
 
[quote="MCNPA" post=404175]

This is simply not the case. Different players. Wusu is a big guard. Earlington should be a PF. Wusu has a higher ceiling but they’re both good players if different. Earlington needs to come to play today.[/quote]

Agree - Earlington is a slightly undersized PF, Wusu is a big SG. And there's a bigger upside to playing an oversized guard than an undersized power forward.
 
[quote="Duke of Earlington" post=404170][quote="lawmanfan" post=404168][quote="Knight" post=404155]I think Posh, Williams, Cole, Champ, Roberts. Earlington if Champ not ready.[/quote]

Re: Champagnie/Earlington, I meant for the season, not tonight.

There seems to be no question about Posh, Moore, and Champagnie as starters. That leaves Dunn, Earlington, Williams, Cole and Wusu fighting for two spots.

To me Dunn is the first one out of that mix. Without the ball in his hands and a reliable jump shot, he doesn't bring you anything when Posh is on the floor, and is more useful as the leader of your second unit.

I think either Cole or Williams starts, and it gets decided by whether Cole's defense improves faster than Williams' offense or vice versa. If Williams can give you points, he may hang onto the starting job and Cole becomes instant offense off the bench. But if Cole can defend, he may take the spot.

So now we're down to Wusu and Earlington. If the staff decides that Wusu is a good backup for Champagnie, then Earlington starts. But if Wusu continues to play with poise and a nice all-around game, they may keep him with Posh and keep Earlington with Dunn and Roberts.

A starting unit of Posh/Williams/Champagnie/Wusu/Moore and a second unit of Dunn/Cole/Earlington/Toro plus one of the starters or Roberts gives you pretty even performance and lets you keep the same tempo and style for 40 minutes.

Of course there will be game or opponent situations that put different lineups on the floor. But ultimately I see Dunn, Earlington and either Williams or Cole as punch coming in off the bench.

Bear in mind I'm not sure the starters are going to get much more than 60% of the minutes anyway. And it won't shake out for another 4-6 games no matter what.[/quote]

Earlington is 100% times better then Wusu.[/quote]
Translation of 100% times please. :unsure:
 
[quote="bamafan" post=404205][quote="Duke of Earlington" post=404170][quote="lawmanfan" post=404168][quote="Knight" post=404155]I think Posh, Williams, Cole, Champ, Roberts. Earlington if Champ not ready.[/quote]

Re: Champagnie/Earlington, I meant for the season, not tonight.

There seems to be no question about Posh, Moore, and Champagnie as starters. That leaves Dunn, Earlington, Williams, Cole and Wusu fighting for two spots.

To me Dunn is the first one out of that mix. Without the ball in his hands and a reliable jump shot, he doesn't bring you anything when Posh is on the floor, and is more useful as the leader of your second unit.

I think either Cole or Williams starts, and it gets decided by whether Cole's defense improves faster than Williams' offense or vice versa. If Williams can give you points, he may hang onto the starting job and Cole becomes instant offense off the bench. But if Cole can defend, he may take the spot.

So now we're down to Wusu and Earlington. If the staff decides that Wusu is a good backup for Champagnie, then Earlington starts. But if Wusu continues to play with poise and a nice all-around game, they may keep him with Posh and keep Earlington with Dunn and Roberts.

A starting unit of Posh/Williams/Champagnie/Wusu/Moore and a second unit of Dunn/Cole/Earlington/Toro plus one of the starters or Roberts gives you pretty even performance and lets you keep the same tempo and style for 40 minutes.

Of course there will be game or opponent situations that put different lineups on the floor. But ultimately I see Dunn, Earlington and either Williams or Cole as punch coming in off the bench.

Bear in mind I'm not sure the starters are going to get much more than 60% of the minutes anyway. And it won't shake out for another 4-6 games no matter what.[/quote]

Earlington is 100% times better then Wusu.[/quote]
Translation of 100% times please. :unsure:[/quote]

Used in a sentence: “This is 100% times the shittiest year I can remember.” See? Works for me...;-)
 
Looks like Champ is at the top of the power rankings now :). Couldn't have asked for a better comeback game for him.

Also, still early but looks like the rotation is starting to take shape.

Once Dunn gets back, I'm thinking the minutes and rotation will look something like this...

1. Posh (28 mins) / Dunn (12 mins)
2. Williams (25 Mins) / Wusu (5 mins) Dunn (10 mins)
3. Cole (25 mins) / Wusu (10 mins) / Champ (5 mins)
4. Champ (25 mins) / Earlington (10 mins) / Wusu (5 mins)
5. Moore (20 mins) / Toro (10 mins) / Earlington (10 mins)

Breakdown...
Champagnie - 30 MPG
Posh - 28 MPG
Cole - 25 MPG
Williams - 25 MPG
Dunn - 22 MPG
Earlington - 20 MPG
Moore - 20 MPG
Wusu - 20 MPG
Toro - 10 MPG

Everyone else situational.
 
[quote="nycfan" post=404722]Highest IQ : Wusu & Williams get my vote[/quote]

This is the right call. GWill has gotten a LOT better and is a smart player and Wusu seems to be as well. Earlington does a lot of good things but has a quick trigger and doesn’t have the athletic ability nor ball handling of big guards like GWill and Wusu.

1- Champs
2- Posh
3- Moore
4-GWill
5- Cole
6-Dunn
7- Wusu
8- Earlington
9- Toro
10- Robert’s
11-McGriff
12- Caraher

I think McGriff and Caraher can be flip flopped depending on what we need at the time. Caraher has played well in the last but haven’t seen much good yet this early season.

Robert’s ha also. But of a situational player because he’s by far our best defender in the post and has excellent shot blocking ability. We will be needed defensively jnthw post quite a bit this season.
 
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