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monte said:
PS the value of a player who can shoot extends beyond just that player's PPG. Champaignie's value was way more then his 20 PPG. Opposing teams needed to spread their D because of him, opening up the court for other players(Posh, etc) to get looks and drive. We have no one like that on this teams
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Totally agree. Champagnie of course did many other things and notwithstanding his pedestrian shooting percentage last year, he was considered to be a bonafide threat from outside. Notwithstanding Storr’s lofty numbers this year — most of which was against inferior competition — I’m not convinced he’s anything close to that.
 
Boo Harvey said:
Fair post. I’d give it a few more games bc I think our only chance of making the dance is for Posh and Curbelo to click and I’m not ready to give up on the season yet (although I’m the first to admit it doesn’t look good).
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I'm fine with giving it a few more games. Although I don't think that the issues with the Curbelo/Posh combo are fixable. They aren't going to grow, neither of them is going to become a knock down shooter over the next few games, both have similar skill sets and deficiencies. I just don't think they compliment each other well, except maybe in occasional situations. We'll see.
 
3 point shooting and a big man with moves in the post. We don't have that. We haven't had either of those things in a long time. It's a losing formula against top 100 competition. A team of "athletes" can beat subpar OOC competition, and overachieve offensively a few times each season to get a few big wins in conference play. That's who we've been for years. Halfway through the first half, Nova realized they could beat us by basically clearing out and feeding the post for one-on-one. Usually a big guy, but not always. Soriano isn't a post player. he's big, rebounds well, and dunks with the best of them, but he lacks footwork and a sense of how to use his size to his advantage. Coaching??
 
Boo Harvey said:
Totally agree. Champagnie of course did many other things and notwithstanding his pedestrian shooting percentage last year, he was considered to be a bonafide threat from outside. Notwithstanding Storr’s lofty numbers this year — most of which was against inferior competition — I’m not convinced he’s anything close to that.
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Yep that's why I wasn't so quick to dismiss Champ's loss with the notion that "we'll spread out his PPG amongst other players". It don't work that way. A star's PPG can be reduced when surrounded by better talent, but you can't just take a star's PPG and distribute them amongst mediocre talent. Especially a star who is a shooter. In fairness, Soriano has picked up some of the scoring slack, albeit from inside.
 
My last post for a bit, which I’m sure will come as a relief for many. I think most of us on this board were well aware of the fact that Posh and Curbelo wouldn’t mesh yet most of us were rooting hard for Curbelo to sign and were elated when he popped.

It was an obvious risk, but was a necessary one given where we were and what the future looked like at the time.

Im certainly not trying to absolve the staff — they clearly have some culpability for putting us in this spot — but I think most of us would agree that the only shot we have of dancing is for our backcourt to gel.

Giving Storr a few more situational minutes is fine by me, but we have much bigger concerns which start with getting Posh and Curbelo playing consistently well. That may prove to be a lost cause as the season goes on, but I think it’s too early to abandon the experiment.
 
Lindor-Correa, Jeter-ARod. Posh and Belo can adjust to playing together if they have the right coach.
 
stjohnschris said:
3 point shooting and a big man with moves in the post. We don't have that. We haven't had either of those things in a long time. It's a losing formula against top 100 competition. A team of "athletes" can beat subpar OOC competition, and overachieve offensively a few times each season to get a few big wins in conference play. That's who we've been for years. Halfway through the first half, Nova realized they could beat us by basically clearing out and feeding the post for one-on-one. Usually a big guy, but not always. Soriano isn't a post player. he's big, rebounds well, and dunks with the best of them, but he lacks footwork and a sense of how to use his size to his advantage. Coaching??
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Soriano is not only the least of our problems. but is the only reason the team has a winning record. No, he isn't Olajuwon, but he has improved tremendously and has been consistently good. He has developed a left handed hook shot and can hit a short to mid range jumper, and gets to the foul line and can make free throws.

The lack of 3 point shooting since the rule change over 30 years ago is disturbing and just plain strange. The only explanation I can come up with is that our coaches, knowing the recruiting challenges of a commuter school that doesn't engage in pay to play, find it next to impossible to recruit high major athletes that can also shoot the 3. Those players seem to go elsewhere. So they settle on high major athletes.

One thing I noticed at the FSU game. During pre-game warmups, Posh took a grand total of zero threes. Wusu and Jones took a few. Watching a Pitino coached Louisville team years ago take pre-game warmups, almost every player was lined up with their feet half an inch behind the 3 point line, shooting 3 after 3.
 
After speaking with a friend, who is very familiar with the West Virginia team, I think Joe Toussaint , who plays 20 minutes a game, while sharing point time, would have been a better fit for our team. Good ball handler, very good defender, and hitting some threes. We play so many weak teams, almost exclusively at home, that our team's weaknesses don't fully surface, until we play road games vs better teams.
Playing two points, with weak shooting skills, is not working.
 
Rocket said:
For those knocking Soriano, shame on you!
Any other coach would've told his players to double Dixon instead of allowing him to go one on one against Soriano down low.
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Good point Rocket. Why would Anderson allow one of his only scoring threats (Soriano) to be subjected to fouling out of a game by not offering him help down low against a quicker opponent? It's just mystifying.
 
Knight said:
Lindor-Correa, Jeter-ARod. Posh and Belo can adjust to playing together if they have the right coach.
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Baseball is an individual game though. There's very little actual teamwork that takes place during the game.

Apples to Oranges comparison, IMO.
 
Boo Harvey said:
Fair post. I’d give it a few more games bc I think our only chance of making the dance is for Posh and Curbelo to click and I’m not ready to give up on the season yet (although I’m the first to admit it doesn’t look good).
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You’re not the first to admit it not by a long shot🥲
 
We lost a road game in the big east as a 5 point underdog. We were expected to lose.

Now I thought we would win. We played really poorly after such a promising start. Definitely some red flags out there. But I will say it again. We lost a road game to a good team in the big east.

This has been the most topsy turvy year I can remember with huge double digit underdogs winning games let alone covering point spreads. Really good teams getting spanked by bad teams.

I know we have issues. But we lost 2 games this year. Both on the road to good teams.

This team of ours has shown we can stink it up to follow up with great games the last few years. I can totally see a quick turnaround vs Xavier with this team.

I’m a glass half full
Kind of guy so I’ll keep that going until they start losing at home games they shouldn’t lose or if they get clobbered at home games they shouldn’t win also. But. My glass is getting smaller so there is not much in it anymore lol.

But to each his or her own.

I’m just glad I didn’t get a chance to place this bet. Got to it after 630. But I stillI lost on another crap game at 7.
 
I'm absolutely not commenting on this until season ends but I think its fair to say the season will make or break with how well Curbelo and Posh Mesh in the backcourt and personally I'll wait to the end of the season to see how it works out but I totally understand the day to day watching
 
mjmaherjr said:
I'm absolutely not commenting on this until season ends but I think its fair to say the season will make or break with how well Curbelo and Posh Mesh in the backcourt and personally I'll wait to the end of the season to see how it works out but I totally understand the day to day watching
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I don’t see anywhere in this posts anything about novito!!! Lol
 
Eric said:
I don’t see anywhere in this posts anything about novito!!! Lol
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lol that will happen. Need to wait till half way thru big east season to see if I'm going to need to arrange ubers home for everyone if we are losing :)
 
Demo said:
It wasn’t just Soriano. They consistently posted us up under the basket one on one very effectively. We NEVER adjusted.
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Thats what Nova does It should not have been a surprise. They do that to open up the 3 --I think Anderson thought it better to not double !
 
Boo Harvey said:
My last post for a bit, which I’m sure will come as a relief for many. I think most of us on this board were well aware of the fact that Posh and Curbelo wouldn’t mesh yet most of us were rooting hard for Curbelo to sign and were elated when he popped.

It was an obvious risk, but was a necessary one given where we were and what the future looked like at the time.

Im certainly not trying to absolve the staff — they clearly have some culpability for putting us in this spot — but I think most of us would agree that the only shot we have of dancing is for our backcourt to gel.

Giving Storr a few more situational minutes is fine by me, but we have much bigger concerns which start with getting Posh and Curbelo playing consistently well. That may prove to be a lost cause as the season goes on, but I think it’s too early to abandon the experiment.
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Extremely fair and measured post. I think Curbelo's game is what it is, with or without Posh on the court. Maybe, moving forward, he plays a more controlled game and cuts down on turnovers, but I don't think Posh has anything to do with it. However , I don't see Posh's game improving with Curbelo on the court at the same time. I hope I'm wrong, but that's what I see at this point in the season.
 
mjmaherjr said:
I'm absolutely not commenting on this until season ends but I think its fair to say the season will make or break with how well Curbelo and Posh Mesh in the backcourt and personally I'll wait to the end of the season to see how it works out but I totally understand the day to day watching
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Pretty much how I feel I’m not putting too much stock into one game at this point. Still a lot of games left and this team has talent. Whether they can put it all together to win enough games is still to be decided. Iowa St and Villanova are tough road games they don’t lose at home very often. This does make the home game against Nova pretty much a must win. Have to think Storr has earned some more minutes against Xavier at least. I think Posh and Belo works in stretches but teams are going to take away the drive with them and that’s something that needs to be figured out.
 
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