Villanova Game

[jr49]

Our guys shot 32% on the road, against a good team. How was it so close?

 

[1and1sju]

at one point when Branch was in the game he took an ill advised shot and you can see Lavin call for his replacement on a bench. The short leash on branch is mind boggling. But he does make some real bone headed plays

I am as big a Branch fan as you'll find, but this spot-on. He made a great one-handed touch pass to someone under the basket (Jakarr I think?) and a few possessions later he dribbled up and took an ill advised jump shot 5 secs into the shot clock. Some of his plays must drive coach crazy, but in sum the good out weighs the bad. I think he would be especially helpful in the second half of our games when our ball movement seems to slow down and we start playing 1 on 1. He can help with that.

 

[fuchsia]

Also thought PGIV played better D heads up on Arcidiacono than Branch and without Chris in the back Lavin opted for defense over offense. Three guard with Sheed, Branch, and D'Lo is when we look best on offense and then you can sub in PGIV and Dom, just not together and either Branch or Sheed must be at point.

 

[westchesterjoe]

I thought we reverted to much of our pre-streak standing around offense game plan. And, while it's harsh, Greene and Pointer played way too much, even without Sanchez. Branch did not play enough .
Nova also had 9's 3 's for 27 points. We had 3 for 9 points. Enough said there. We still don't defend the 3 very well and don't shoot it well ourselves. The 18 point differential was enormous.

DLO and Jordan did not finish their usual inside layups, mostly due to not getting any foul calls while they were pounded. DLO let it get to him..

NOVA IS A GOOD team, well coached, don't beat themselves.

3-POINT FG PCT DEFENSE G 3FGM 3FGA Pct
1. Providence 15 78 250 .312
2. St. John's 15 86 274 .314
3. Seton Hall 14 78 234 .333
4. Georgetown 15 89 261 .341
5. Creighton 15 99 288 .344
6. Butler 15 87 242 .360
7. Villanova 14 96 245 .392
8. Xavier 14 113 285 .396
9. Marquette 14 116 292 .397
10. DePaul 15 102 246 .415

I think points scored vs points given up on 3's is meaningful statistic. In the Nova game they had 27 points from 3, we had 9..For this game it was a telling differential points wise. The % aren't important as much. If Nova was 9 for 42 and we were 3-6 does it matter? It's still 27 points for them and 9 for us. The risk/reward for 3's is the key element.

We aren't a good 3 point team and that's the bottom line..Long range shooting is not part of our gameplan on a effective basis. Sure we take them but, in our victories is it because we scored more 3's? Many of our 3's are desperation at time clock deadline or, too quick as the first option up court.

I don't know, I did not look it up but, it's just an assessment.

 

[austour]

I thought we reverted to much of our pre-streak standing around offense game plan. And, while it's harsh, Greene and Pointer played way too much, even without Sanchez. Branch did not play enough .
Nova also had 9's 3 's for 27 points. We had 3 for 9 points. Enough said there. We still don't defend the 3 very well and don't shoot it well ourselves. The 18 point differential was enormous.

DLO and Jordan did not finish their usual inside layups, mostly due to not getting any foul calls while they were pounded. DLO let it get to him..

NOVA IS A GOOD team, well coached, don't beat themselves.

3-POINT FG PCT DEFENSE G 3FGM 3FGA Pct
1. Providence 15 78 250 .312
2. St. John's 15 86 274 .314
3. Seton Hall 14 78 234 .333
4. Georgetown 15 89 261 .341
5. Creighton 15 99 288 .344
6. Butler 15 87 242 .360
7. Villanova 14 96 245 .392
8. Xavier 14 113 285 .396
9. Marquette 14 116 292 .397
10. DePaul 15 102 246 .415

I think points scored vs points given up on 3's is meaningful statistic. In the Nova game they had 27 points from 3, we had 9..For this game it was a telling differential points wise. The % aren't important as much. If Nova was 9 for 42 and we were 3-6 does it matter? It's still 27 points for them and 9 for us. The risk/reward for 3's is the key element.

We aren't a good 3 point team and that's the bottom line..Long range shooting is not part of our gameplan on a effective basis. Sure we take them but, in our victories is it because we scored more 3's? Many of our 3's are desperation at time clock deadline or, too quick as the first option up court.

I don't know, I did not look it up but, it's just an assessment.

It's really a meaningless statistic. The better shooting team is almost always going to score more points from 3 because they're going to take more and make more (unless it's a blowout and the opposition starts having to hoist them every time down, in which case the better shooting team is only going to make more). A well coached team will take shots they can make, not try and keep up with a good shooting team from 3 as if that was some sort of contest. 3 pt shooting is a weakness on this team, though as you say it is a big part of the game right now. On that part you're right. But with the present roster they're going to win if they defend, run good offense and get good shots you can make, they can't rely on going against the averages and hoping to make a bunch of threes every night, unless Dlo comes out blazing.

 

[tom in salem]

I thought we reverted to much of our pre-streak standing around offense game plan. And, while it's harsh, Greene and Pointer played way too much, even without Sanchez. Branch did not play enough .
Nova also had 9's 3 's for 27 points. We had 3 for 9 points. Enough said there. We still don't defend the 3 very well and don't shoot it well ourselves. The 18 point differential was enormous.

DLO and Jordan did not finish their usual inside layups, mostly due to not getting any foul calls while they were pounded. DLO let it get to him..

NOVA IS A GOOD team, well coached, don't beat themselves.

3-POINT FG PCT DEFENSE G 3FGM 3FGA Pct
1. Providence 15 78 250 .312
2. St. John's 15 86 274 .314
3. Seton Hall 14 78 234 .333
4. Georgetown 15 89 261 .341
5. Creighton 15 99 288 .344
6. Butler 15 87 242 .360
7. Villanova 14 96 245 .392
8. Xavier 14 113 285 .396
9. Marquette 14 116 292 .397
10. DePaul 15 102 246 .415

I think points scored vs points given up on 3's is meaningful statistic. In the Nova game they had 27 points from 3, we had 9..For this game it was a telling differential points wise. The % aren't important as much. If Nova was 9 for 42 and we were 3-6 does it matter? It's still 27 points for them and 9 for us. The risk/reward for 3's is the key element.

We aren't a good 3 point team and that's the bottom line..Long range shooting is not part of our gameplan on a effective basis. Sure we take them but, in our victories is it because we scored more 3's? Many of our 3's are desperation at time clock deadline or, too quick as the first option up court.

I don't know, I did not look it up but, it's just an assessment.

My point is that nova only has 10 more made 3's than SJU thru 15 games.
Ad that's counting Archie Bunker's bank shot.

 

[weathermannyc]

I think points scored vs points given up on 3's is meaningful statistic. In the Nova game they had 27 points from 3, we had 9..For this game it was a telling differential points wise. The % aren't important as much. If Nova was 9 for 42 and we were 3-6 does it matter? It's still 27 points for them and 9 for us. The risk/reward for 3's is the key element.

It absolutely is important. Think in terms of possessions. 27 points on potentially up to 42 possessions vice 9 points on potentially up to 6 possessions is a HUGE difference. It would give you up to 36 possessions to score the 19 points needed to come out ahead in this equation. I'll take this every time. If you rebound anything better than atrocious...you will come out ahead. In many cases...you come out well ahead. That being said...I don't think a team would shoot 9-42 from behind the arc. At some point, they would start to get the ball inside if the shots aren't falling.

 

[TonyinFairfield]

I thought we reverted to much of our pre-streak standing around offense game plan. And, while it's harsh, Greene and Pointer played way too much, even without Sanchez. Branch did not play enough .
Nova also had 9's 3 's for 27 points. We had 3 for 9 points. Enough said there. We still don't defend the 3 very well and don't shoot it well ourselves. The 18 point differential was enormous.

DLO and Jordan did not finish their usual inside layups, mostly due to not getting any foul calls while they were pounded. DLO let it get to him..

NOVA IS A GOOD team, well coached, don't beat themselves.

3-POINT FG PCT DEFENSE G 3FGM 3FGA Pct
1. Providence 15 78 250 .312
2. St. John's 15 86 274 .314
3. Seton Hall 14 78 234 .333
4. Georgetown 15 89 261 .341
5. Creighton 15 99 288 .344
6. Butler 15 87 242 .360
7. Villanova 14 96 245 .392
8. Xavier 14 113 285 .396
9. Marquette 14 116 292 .397
10. DePaul 15 102 246 .415

I think points scored vs points given up on 3's is meaningful statistic. In the Nova game they had 27 points from 3, we had 9..For this game it was a telling differential points wise. The % aren't important as much. If Nova was 9 for 42 and we were 3-6 does it matter? It's still 27 points for them and 9 for us. The risk/reward for 3's is the key element.

We aren't a good 3 point team and that's the bottom line..Long range shooting is not part of our gameplan on a effective basis. Sure we take them but, in our victories is it because we scored more 3's? Many of our 3's are desperation at time clock deadline or, too quick as the first option up court.

I don't know, I did not look it up but, it's just an assessment.

My point is that nova only has 10 more made 3's than SJU thru 15 games.
Ad that's counting Archie Bunker's bank shot.

Archie Bunker! I hadn't heard that before. I love it!

 

[JackofVirginia]

I thought we reverted to much of our pre-streak standing around offense game plan. And, while it's harsh, Greene and Pointer played way too much, even without Sanchez. Branch did not play enough .
Nova also had 9's 3 's for 27 points. We had 3 for 9 points. Enough said there. We still don't defend the 3 very well and don't shoot it well ourselves. The 18 point differential was enormous.

DLO and Jordan did not finish their usual inside layups, mostly due to not getting any foul calls while they were pounded. DLO let it get to him..

NOVA IS A GOOD team, well coached, don't beat themselves.

We weren't able to fast break against Nova, they got back on defense quickly.

 

[Amaseinyourface]

Also thought PGIV played better D heads up on Arcidiacono than Branch and without Chris in the back Lavin opted for defense over offense. Three guard with Sheed, Branch, and D'Lo is when we look best on offense and then you can sub in PGIV and Dom, just not together and either Branch or Sheed must be at point.

Didnt archie do most of us damage in the second half? Branch never played in the second.

I agree completely with your second point.