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John Rothsrein and Greenberg are now referring to Wildcats as being a blue blood program based upon their recent success under Jay Wright and their representing the Big East as top program
Hard to believe but at one time St John’s was consider the better program
 
[quote="salty dog" post=278506]John Rothsrein and Greenberg are now referring to Wildcats as being a blue blood program based upon their recent success under Jay Wright and their representing the Big East as top program
Hard to believe but at one time St John’s was consider the better program[/quote]

Difficult to argue. Nova has been certainly a top Big East program for much of the past decade, led by Jay Wright: 13 NCAA appearances since ‘05, 4 Elite Eights since ‘06, 3 Final Fours since ‘09 and NCAA Champions in 2016.
That’s very heady.
And so far, a program that has achieved notable success with class.
Meanwhile, we’ve done a ‘180’.
It’s way past time to reverse that.
 
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Villanova has benefitted from talented institutional leadership which has set goals and worked towards those goals which has lifted the academic footprint of the one time regional college to national rains.

St.Johns, on the other hand has endured protracted leadership from its former long time President “Suits” Harrington who seemingly set the most modest of goals but rarely achieved them.

We can differ on whether Villanova’s undergrad Business school is the #1 in the country but the fact is Businrss Week has named Villanova #1 for the past several years. [URL][URL]https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-best-undergrad-business-schools/.[/URL][/URL] A friend’s son turned down attending Georgetown and Boston College to attend the Villanova Business School. Admission to Villanova has become competitive as it has broadened its applicant pool throughout the country. Median SAT is now 1370. Villanova has begun to expand its campus completing soon to open dorms), parking garage, and theatre across the stree in the former parking area.

The Villanova Administration understands that a winning basketball program creates a winning perception of the school and attracts applicants. During the 2000- 2001 season, when former basketball coach Steve Lappas was in his 9th season as Villanova men’s basketball coach the Villanova Administration recognized that notwithstanding Lappas’ solid record of 174 wins and 110 losses with 7 post season appearances that “pretty good” was not enough so it fired Lappas and hired Jay Wright ..... the rest is history.

A further interesting comparison between St.Johns and Villanova is financial aid. As a Vincentian school StJohn’s gives more aid per student... right? Wrong, according The The College Board StJohn’s awards an average 1st year financial aid package of $28,216 while Villanova awards an average of $38,853.
 
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[quote="otis" post=278516]Villanova has benefitted from talented institutional leadership which has set goals and worked towards those goals which has lifted the academic footprint of the one time regional college to national rains.

St.Johns, on the other hand has endured protracted leadership from its former long time President “Suits” Harrington who seemingly set the most modest of goals but rarely achieved them.

We can differ on whether Villanova’s undergrad Business school is the #1 in the country but the fact is Businrss Week has named Villanova #1 for the past several years. [URL][URL]https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-best-undergrad-business-schools/.[/URL][/URL] A friend’s son turned down attending Georgetown and Boston College to attend the Villanova Business School. Admission to Villanova has become competitive as it has broadened its applicant pool throughout the country. Median SAT is now 1370. Villanova has begun to expand its campus completing soon to open dorms), parking garage, and theatre across the stree in the former parking area.

The Villanova Administration understands that a winning basketball program creates a winning perception of the school and attracts applicants. During the 2000- 2001 season, when former basketball coach Steve Lappas was in his 9th season as Villanova men’s basketball coach the Villanova Administration recognized that notwithstanding Lappas’ solid record of 174 wins and 110 losses with 7 post season appearances that “pretty good” was not enough so it fired Lappas and hired Jay Wright ..... the rest is history.

A further interesting comparison between St.Johns and Villanova is financial aid. As a Vincentian school StJohn’s gives more aid per student... right? Wrong, according The The College Board StJohn’s awards an average 1st year financial aid package of $28,216 while Villanova awards an average of $38,853.[/quote]

You could’ve just said the Flutie effect has kicked in overtime for Nova.
 
[quote="otis" post=278516]Villanova has benefitted from talented institutional leadership which has set goals and worked towards those goals which has lifted the academic footprint of the one time regional college to national rains.

St.Johns, on the other hand has endured protracted leadership from its former long time President “Suits” Harrington who seemingly set the most modest of goals but rarely achieved them.

We can differ on whether Villanova’s undergrad Business school is the #1 in the country but the fact is Businrss Week has named Villanova #1 for the past several years. [URL][URL]https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-best-undergrad-business-schools/.[/URL][/URL] A friend’s son turned down attending Georgetown and Boston College to attend the Villanova Business School. Admission to Villanova has become competitive as it has broadened its applicant pool throughout the country. Median SAT is now 1370. Villanova has begun to expand its campus completing soon to open dorms), parking garage, and theatre across the stree in the former parking area.

The Villanova Administration understands that a winning basketball program creates a winning perception of the school and attracts applicants. During the 2000- 2001 season, when former basketball coach Steve Lappas was in his 9th season as Villanova men’s basketball coach the Villanova Administration recognized that notwithstanding Lappas’ solid record of 174 wins and 110 losses with 7 post season appearances that “pretty good” was not enough so it fired Lappas and hired Jay Wright ..... the rest is history.

A further interesting comparison between St.Johns and Villanova is financial aid. As a Vincentian school StJohn’s gives more aid per student... right? Wrong, according The The College Board StJohn’s awards an average 1st year financial aid package of $28,216 while Villanova awards an average of $38,853.[/quote]

What's the comparison of tuition costs?
 
Of these 2 colleges: St John's-NY is a Significantly Larger School: (20,877 vs. 10,711 Total Students) Villanova University is Much More Difficult to Get In: (47.9% vs. 64.9% Acceptance Rate) St John's-NY Offers Considerably Cheaper Tuition: ($38,680 USD vs. $47,616 USD Tuition)
 
[quote="Sju grad 13" post=278518][quote="otis" post=278516]Villanova has benefitted from talented institutional leadership which has set goals and worked towards those goals which has lifted the academic footprint of the one time regional college to national rains.

St.Johns, on the other hand has endured protracted leadership from its former long time President “Suits” Harrington who seemingly set the most modest of goals but rarely achieved them.

We can differ on whether Villanova’s undergrad Business school is the #1 in the country but the fact is Businrss Week has named Villanova #1 for the past several years. [URL][URL]https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-best-undergrad-business-schools/.[/URL][/URL] A friend’s son turned down attending Georgetown and Boston College to attend the Villanova Business School. Admission to Villanova has become competitive as it has broadened its applicant pool throughout the country. Median SAT is now 1370. Villanova has begun to expand its campus completing soon to open dorms), parking garage, and theatre across the stree in the former parking area.

The Villanova Administration understands that a winning basketball program creates a winning perception of the school and attracts applicants. During the 2000- 2001 season, when former basketball coach Steve Lappas was in his 9th season as Villanova men’s basketball coach the Villanova Administration recognized that notwithstanding Lappas’ solid record of 174 wins and 110 losses with 7 post season appearances that “pretty good” was not enough so it fired Lappas and hired Jay Wright ..... the rest is history.

A further interesting comparison between St.Johns and Villanova is financial aid. As a Vincentian school StJohn’s gives more aid per student... right? Wrong, according The The College Board StJohn’s awards an average 1st year financial aid package of $28,216 while Villanova awards an average of $38,853.[/quote]

You could’ve just said the Flutie effect has kicked in overtime for Nova.[/quote]

You are correct about Bloomberg.

That said (and as you are probably aware), due to a controversy in the way the results were calculated Bloomberg no longer ranks biz schools.

Arguably Notre Dame's Mendoza School of Business is the best undergrad business school among Catholic schools and is among the top 3, at worst, among all undergrad biz schools (public or private)
 
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My Granddaugjter received her acceptance letter from Villanova last Thursday . According to US News and World Report Rankings of Colleges Villanova is Number 46 . Notre Dame 16 and Ga Tech 34. St John’s is 165. It’s embarrassing . Not only do we need the B.B. program to regain respect but, the School as a whole needs a lot of Work to improve Academics . Nova started on their way to create a identity and Brand after they won the NCAA in 85 and have just ridden that to excellence as a School and the BE premier program . They worked hard . Us ? Not enough .
 
[quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=278550]My Granddaugjter received her acceptance letter from Villanova last Thursday . According to US News and World Report Rankings of Colleges Villanova is Number 46 . Notre Dame 16 and Ga Tech 34. St John’s is 165. It’s embarrassing . Not only do we need the B.B. program to regain respect but, the School as a whole needs a lot of Work to improve Academics . Nova started on their way to create a identity and Brand after they won the NCAA in 85 and have just ridden that to excellence as a School and the BE premier program . They worked hard . Us ? Not enough .[/quote]

I don't think 165 is embarrassing at all. Wasn't the school bragging about being top 400 a few years ago?
 
FWIW... Keep in mind that we have a lower 6 yr grad rate and a lower retention rate (although it has been improving under Bobby and is now around 84%. It was around 77% a few years ago)

This can be traced to the fact that over 40% of our students are Pell eligible (much higher than Villanova, BC, Fordham, ND, and G'Town, to name a few) and by definition they don't come from middle/upper middle class backgrounds.

That is our mission, for better or worse.

I would guess that the median family income of a Nova student is close to $200K annually, while the median family income of a SJU student would be around $50K, at most

Makes it a lot easier to graduate in 4-5-6 years when you have the financial resources to rely on.

Also take a look at the Alumni Weekend Schedule (See Players Lounge section of Redmen).

This is an opportunity for all to meet and inter-act with Bobby
 
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In the last five years, Villanova has won 4 Big East regular season titles, 3 Big East Tourney championships, with two Final Fours and one national championship. They've done it with ONE first round NBA Draft pick. Villanova is THE premiere program in college basketball right now
 
They maybe the premier school right now, but blue blood is a stretch. Is Villanova even in the top 20 of wins?
 
St. John's is a first generation-to-go-to-College inner city school; Nova is not. Very different profiles. St. John's offers its students from less than wealthy families an opportunity to better themselves and that is a great thing. Villanova is a very nice school with a decent law school (that got in some trouble for fudging numbers to try to score higher in the rankings). I don't think they have a pharmacy school and ours is very good. Like I said different types of Universities.

I hope with Xavier and Nova that a "rising tide will lift all boats" including our little dingy right now. Go Big East; Go Ramblers.
 
[quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=278550]My Granddaugjter received her acceptance letter from Villanova last Thursday . According to US News and World Report Rankings of Colleges Villanova is Number 46 . Notre Dame 16 and Ga Tech 34. St John’s is 165. It’s embarrassing . Not only do we need the B.B. program to regain respect but, the School as a whole needs a lot of Work to improve Academics . Nova started on their way to create a identity and Brand after they won the NCAA in 85 and have just ridden that to excellence as a School and the BE premier program . They worked hard . Us ? Not enough .[/quote]

Understand there are requirements to be considered a national school. This is Villanova's first year in the national ratings, and they made changes to move towards a national university. They have their sights set on BC, who is ranked somewhere around 31, and bristle at the notion that BC is a better academic school. For years Villanova has been considered the #1 regional school in the Northeast, but was excluded from US World News and Reports national rankings. I would expect that they continue to climb in the rankings until they reach somewhere around 30 nationally.
 
[quote="otis" post=278516]Villanova has benefitted from talented institutional leadership which has set goals and worked towards those goals which has lifted the academic footprint of the one time regional college to national rains.

St.Johns, on the other hand has endured protracted leadership from its former long time President “Suits” Harrington who seemingly set the most modest of goals but rarely achieved them.

We can differ on whether Villanova’s undergrad Business school is the #1 in the country but the fact is Businrss Week has named Villanova #1 for the past several years. [URL][URL]https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-best-undergrad-business-schools/.[/URL][/URL] A friend’s son turned down attending Georgetown and Boston College to attend the Villanova Business School. Admission to Villanova has become competitive as it has broadened its applicant pool throughout the country. Median SAT is now 1370. Villanova has begun to expand its campus completing soon to open dorms), parking garage, and theatre across the stree in the former parking area.

The Villanova Administration understands that a winning basketball program creates a winning perception of the school and attracts applicants. During the 2000- 2001 season, when former basketball coach Steve Lappas was in his 9th season as Villanova men’s basketball coach the Villanova Administration recognized that notwithstanding Lappas’ solid record of 174 wins and 110 losses with 7 post season appearances that “pretty good” was not enough so it fired Lappas and hired Jay Wright ..... the rest is history.

A further interesting comparison between St.Johns and Villanova is financial aid. As a Vincentian school StJohn’s gives more aid per student... right? Wrong, according The The College Board StJohn’s awards an average 1st year financial aid package of $28,216 while Villanova awards an average of $38,853.[/quote]

Villanova's average award may be $38,000 but in no way are they awarding $38,000 to each student on average. My guess is St. John's awards far more in overall scholarship money to a larger pool of students. A larger number of Villianova students pay full boat tuition to my knowledge.
 
[quote="jerseyshorejohnny" post=278559]FWIW... Keep in mind that we have a lower 6 yr grad rate and a lower retention rate (although it has been improving under Bobby and is now around 84%. It was around 77% a few years ago)

This can be traced to the fact that over 40% of our students are Pell eligible (much higher than Villanova, BC, Fordham, ND, and G'Town, to name a few) and by definition they don't come from middle/upper middle class backgrounds.

That is our mission, for better or worse.

I would guess that the median family income of a Nova student is close to $200K annually, while the median family income of a SJU student would be around $50K, at most

Makes it a lot easier to graduate in 4-5-6 years when you have the financial resources to rely on.

Also take a look at the Alumni Weekend Schedule (See Players Lounge section of Redmen).

This is an opportunity for all to meet and inter-act with Bobby[/quote]

I agree with much of what you put forth, but let's not obscure the fact that most of our Pell eligible students do not possess the academic credentials of Pell eligible students at Georgetown, Villanova, BC, or Holy Cross. I'm not sure of the graduation rates of Pell eligible students at those schools, but simply because they are more selective I would think that those students graduate at much higher rates than ours even when burdened by the same low income status as their peers at St. John's.

I feel for some of those kids at schools that overall have a wealthier student population. They are surrounded by kids whose parents are able to provide pocket money and other financial support, where the kids from low income families often participate in work study to help them pay living expenses. My son's roommate worked in the kitchen at the cafeteria to help pay his own living expenses, while a 3rd roommate came from DelBarton a high school in NJ with college like tuition. One kid working in the cafeteria, the other sending his clothes out to be dry cleaned.
 
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