USA Today predicts St.J's to finish "DFL" in BEast

The prediction is absolutely laughable. Anyone who watched last years team (the returning players) and caught even a glimpse of the Midnight Madness (as limited and ridiculous as it sounds) knows St Johns will be much better than a last place team. Three words: NOT GONNA HAPPEN! 
 
What do you expect from a 3rd rate newspaper that most of us only read because we pick it up free in a hotel lobby...? Some intern probably slapped that list together in 5 mins and then went to an early lunch.
 
Copied from sbgglobal.com. Vegas disagrees.......




ODDS TO WIN 2012-2013 NCAA MEN'S COLLEGE BASKETBALL Regular Season (November 9th, 2012 - March 14th, 2013)
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13001 Alabama - - +8050
13002 Arizona - - +1550
13003 Arizona State - - +12500
13004 Arkansas - - +12600
13005 Baylor - - +6050
13006 Belmont - - +25000
13007 Butler - - +8050
13008 BYU - - +12100
13009 California - - +10100
13010 Central Florida - - +25000
13011 Cincinnati - - +6050
13012 Clemson - - +15100
13013 Colorado - - +20100
13014 Colorado State - - +25000
13015 Connecticut - - NA
13016 Creighton - - +7050
13017 Davidson - - +10100
13018 Dayton - - +25000
13019 DePaul - - +25000
13020 Drexel - - +10100
13021 Duke - - +1750
13022 Florida - - +2050
13023 Florida State - - +2550
13024 George Mason - - +25000
13025 Georgetown - - +6050
13026 Georgia - - +25000
13027 Georgia Tech - - +25000
13028 Gonzaga - - +6550
13029 Illinois - - +11050
13030 Indiana - - +610
13031 Iowa - - +15100
13032 Iowa State - - +10100
13033 Kansas - - +2050
13034 Kansas State - - +12600
13035 Kentucky - - +510
13036 La Salle - - +25000
13037 Long Beach State - - +25000
13038 Louisville - - +760
13039 LSU - - +25000
13040 Marquette - - +10100
13041 Marshall - - +25000
13042 Maryland - - +15100
13043 Memphis - - +4050
13044 Miami Florida - - +9050
13045 Michigan - - +2300
13046 Michigan State - - +2250
13047 Minnesota - - +7050
13048 Mississippi - - +20000
13049 Mississippi State - - +20100
13050 Missouri - - +3050
13051 Murray State - - +20100
13052 Nevada - - +25000
13053 New Mexico - - +20100
13054 North Carolina - - +1050
13055 North Carolina State - - +660
13056 Northern Iowa - - +20100
13057 Northwestern - - +25000
13058 Notre Dame - - +8050
13059 Ohio - - +10100
13060 Ohio State - - +1800
13061 Oklahoma - - +15100
13062 Oklahoma State - - +20100
13063 Oregon - - +15100
13064 Oregon State - - +20100
13065 Pittsburgh - - +5600
13066 Providence - - +10100
13067 Purdue - - +22100
13068 Richmond - - +25000
13069 San Diego State - - +8050
13070 Seton Hall - - +12100
13071 South Florida - - +20100
13072 Southern Cal - - +25000
13073 Southern Mississippi - - +20100
13074 St John's - - +7050
13075 St Joseph's - - +10100
13076 St Louis - - +10100
13077 St Mary's - - +20100
13078 Stanford - - +3050
13079 Syracuse - - +2050
13080 Temple - - +20100
13081 Tennessee - - +8050
13082 Texas - - +4050
13083 Texas A&M - - +8050
13084 UCLA - - +1250
13085 UMass - - +25000
13086 UNLV - - +3550
13087 Utah State - - +25000
13088 Vanderbilt - - +12100
13089 Villanova - - +11050
13090 Virginia - - +10100
13091 Virginia Commonwealth - - +10100
13092 Virginia Tech - - +25000
13093 Wake Forest - - +12500
13094 Washington - - +11050
13095 Washington State - - +8000
13096 West Virginia - - +8050
13097 Wichita State - - +10100
13098 Wisconsin - - +8050
13099 Xavier - - +16100
13100 FIELD (Any Other) - - +1500
 
Thanks "Dees",
Barring a typo, i just re-sorted that list. We are "tied" for 29th in terms of having the best chances of winning it all... I presume these odds get impacted based on the way (they expect) people to bet...
How do we feel about this? Seems pretty solid to me...

1 13035 Kentucky - - +510
2 13030 Indiana - - +610
3 13055 North Carolina State - - +660
4 13038 Louisville - - +760
5 13054 North Carolina - - +1050
6 13084 UCLA - - +1250
7 13100 FIELD (Any Other) - - +1500
8 13002 Arizona - - +1550
9 13021 Duke - - +1750
10 13060 Ohio State - - +1800
11 13022 Florida - - +2050
12 13033 Kansas - - +2050
13 13079 Syracuse - - +2050
14 13046 Michigan State - - +2250
15 13045 Michigan - - +2300
16 13036 La Salle - - +25000
17 13023 Florida State - - +2550
18 13050 Missouri - - +3050
19 13078 Stanford - - +3050
20 13086 UNLV - - +3550
21 13043 Memphis - - +4050
22 13082 Texas - - +4050
23 13096 West Virginia - - +8050
24 13065 Pittsburgh - - +5600
25 13005 Baylor - - +6050
26 13011 Cincinnati - - +6050
27 13025 Georgetown - - +6050
28 13028 Gonzaga - - +6550
29 13016 Creighton - - +7050
30 13047 Minnesota - - +7050
31 13074 St John's - - +7050
32 13095 Washington State - - +8000
33 13001 Alabama - - +8050
34 13007 Butler - - +8050
35 13058 Notre Dame - - +8050
36 13069 San Diego State - - +8050
37 13081 Tennessee - - +8050
38 13083 Texas A&M - - +8050
39 13098 Wisconsin - - +8050
40 13044 Miami Florida - - +9050
41 13009 California - - +10100
42 13017 Davidson - - +10100
43 13020 Drexel - - +10100
44 13032 Iowa State - - +10100
45 13040 Marquette - - +10100
46 13059 Ohio - - +10100
47 13066 Providence - - +10100
48 13075 St Joseph's - - +10100
49 13076 St Louis - - +10100
50 13090 Virginia - - +10100
51 13091 Virginia Commonwealth - - +10100
52 13097 Wichita State - - +10100
53 13029 Illinois - - +11050
54 13089 Villanova - - +11050
55 13094 Washington - - +11050
56 13008 BYU - - +12100
57 13070 Seton Hall - - +12100
58 13088 Vanderbilt - - +12100
59 13003 Arizona State - - +12500
60 13093 Wake Forest - - +12500
61 13004 Arkansas - - +12600
62 13034 Kansas State - - +12600
63 13012 Clemson - - +15100
64 13031 Iowa - - +15100
65 13042 Maryland - - +15100
66 13061 Oklahoma - - +15100
67 13063 Oregon - - +15100
68 13099 Xavier - - +16100
69 13048 Mississippi - - +20000
70 13013 Colorado - - +20100
71 13049 Mississippi State - - +20100
72 13051 Murray State - - +20100
73 13053 New Mexico - - +20100
74 13056 Northern Iowa - - +20100
75 13062 Oklahoma State - - +20100
76 13064 Oregon State - - +20100
77 13071 South Florida - - +20100
78 13073 Southern Mississippi - - +20100
79 13077 St Mary's - - +20100
80 13080 Temple - - +20100
81 13067 Purdue - - +22100
82 13006 Belmont - - +25000
83 13010 Central Florida - - +25000
84 13014 Colorado State - - +25000
85 13018 Dayton - - +25000
86 13019 DePaul - - +25000
87 13024 George Mason - - +25000
88 13026 Georgia - - +25000
89 13027 Georgia Tech - - +25000
90 13037 Long Beach State - - +25000
91 13039 LSU - - +25000
92 13041 Marshall - - +25000
93 13052 Nevada - - +25000
94 13057 Northwestern - - +25000
95 13068 Richmond - - +25000
96 13072 Southern Cal - - +25000
97 13085 UMass - - +25000
98 13087 Utah State - - +25000
99 13092 Virginia Tech - - +25000
100 13015 Connecticut - - NA   
 
Thanks "Dees",
Barring a typo, i just re-sorted that list. We are "tied" for 29th in terms of having the best chances of winning it all... I presume these odds get impacted based on the way (they expect) people to bet...
How do we feel about this? Seems pretty solid to me...

1 13035 Kentucky - - +510
2 13030 Indiana - - +610
3 13055 North Carolina State - - +660
4 13038 Louisville - - +760
5 13054 North Carolina - - +1050
6 13084 UCLA - - +1250
7 13100 FIELD (Any Other) - - +1500
8 13002 Arizona - - +1550
9 13021 Duke - - +1750
10 13060 Ohio State - - +1800
11 13022 Florida - - +2050
12 13033 Kansas - - +2050
13 13079 Syracuse - - +2050
14 13046 Michigan State - - +2250
15 13045 Michigan - - +2300
16 13036 La Salle - - +25000
17 13023 Florida State - - +2550
18 13050 Missouri - - +3050
19 13078 Stanford - - +3050
20 13086 UNLV - - +3550
21 13043 Memphis - - +4050
22 13082 Texas - - +4050
23 13096 West Virginia - - +8050
24 13065 Pittsburgh - - +5600
25 13005 Baylor - - +6050
26 13011 Cincinnati - - +6050
27 13025 Georgetown - - +6050
28 13028 Gonzaga - - +6550
29 13016 Creighton - - +7050
30 13047 Minnesota - - +7050
31 13074 St John's - - +7050
32 13095 Washington State - - +8000
33 13001 Alabama - - +8050
34 13007 Butler - - +8050
35 13058 Notre Dame - - +8050
36 13069 San Diego State - - +8050
37 13081 Tennessee - - +8050
38 13083 Texas A&M - - +8050
39 13098 Wisconsin - - +8050
40 13044 Miami Florida - - +9050
41 13009 California - - +10100
42 13017 Davidson - - +10100
43 13020 Drexel - - +10100
44 13032 Iowa State - - +10100
45 13040 Marquette - - +10100
46 13059 Ohio - - +10100
47 13066 Providence - - +10100
48 13075 St Joseph's - - +10100
49 13076 St Louis - - +10100
50 13090 Virginia - - +10100
51 13091 Virginia Commonwealth - - +10100
52 13097 Wichita State - - +10100
53 13029 Illinois - - +11050
54 13089 Villanova - - +11050
55 13094 Washington - - +11050
56 13008 BYU - - +12100
57 13070 Seton Hall - - +12100
58 13088 Vanderbilt - - +12100
59 13003 Arizona State - - +12500
60 13093 Wake Forest - - +12500
61 13004 Arkansas - - +12600
62 13034 Kansas State - - +12600
63 13012 Clemson - - +15100
64 13031 Iowa - - +15100
65 13042 Maryland - - +15100
66 13061 Oklahoma - - +15100
67 13063 Oregon - - +15100
68 13099 Xavier - - +16100
69 13048 Mississippi - - +20000
70 13013 Colorado - - +20100
71 13049 Mississippi State - - +20100
72 13051 Murray State - - +20100
73 13053 New Mexico - - +20100
74 13056 Northern Iowa - - +20100
75 13062 Oklahoma State - - +20100
76 13064 Oregon State - - +20100
77 13071 South Florida - - +20100
78 13073 Southern Mississippi - - +20100
79 13077 St Mary's - - +20100
80 13080 Temple - - +20100
81 13067 Purdue - - +22100
82 13006 Belmont - - +25000
83 13010 Central Florida - - +25000
84 13014 Colorado State - - +25000
85 13018 Dayton - - +25000
86 13019 DePaul - - +25000
87 13024 George Mason - - +25000
88 13026 Georgia - - +25000
89 13027 Georgia Tech - - +25000
90 13037 Long Beach State - - +25000
91 13039 LSU - - +25000
92 13041 Marshall - - +25000
93 13052 Nevada - - +25000
94 13057 Northwestern - - +25000
95 13068 Richmond - - +25000
96 13072 Southern Cal - - +25000
97 13085 UMass - - +25000
98 13087 Utah State - - +25000
99 13092 Virginia Tech - - +25000
100 13015 Connecticut - - NA   
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On the prediction thread I was ridiculed by Joe for saying that 90 percent of writers are clueless in terms of measuring up out of town teams. Here my friends is where you get the most pin point forecast... Vegas baby. They set it up based on where they think the money will go obviously so maybe it's skewed a bit here since we are a big market team but I'd definitely agree we are in the 25-40 range. The so called journalists(most of whom are a disgrace) predict we will be around 130-160 in my estimates.
 
I can tell u one thing for sure, SJU will certainly finish higher than Rutgers... and these morons have them at 6!lol!!... by that logic SJU is top 5 imo! :)  
 
Thanks "Dees",
Barring a typo, i just re-sorted that list. We are "tied" for 29th in terms of having the best chances of winning it all... I presume these odds get impacted based on the way (they expect) people to bet...
How do we feel about this? Seems pretty solid to me...
   
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Actually tied 28 since Field doesn't really count as a team. Also you have LaSalle in the +2500 position but it looks like they're really +25000 so now they're tied for 27th . . . progress. As it stands now they have STJ 5th in the BE. That's pretty good. The biggest indignation is that Rutgers is the only BE team to be assigned to the field. LOL

That said betting lines are based on how the guys taking the bet are going to make the most money, not based on who they actually think is going to win. I got a million people to bet $100 on Temple today they'd quickly jump up into the top ten of odds.
 
 I predict that St John's will be no lower than 7th place in the Big East Coach Lavin will use at least 9 men each position is loaded with great players. including Sampson ,Harrison,Greene, and Opedka.
 
 Easy there killer...I don't think we will finish last either...almost 100% certain of that. BUT...to say we will be no lower than 7th in the Big East that still has Cuse ND, Pitt, UConn, G'Town, L'Ville, Cincy, Marquette, Nova, USF, etc. If I was betting money I would say we finish anywhere from 9th-12th.
 
 Easy there killer...I don't think we will finish last either...almost 100% certain of that. BUT...to say we will be no lower than 7th in the Big East that still has Cuse ND, Pitt, UConn, G'Town, L'Ville, Cincy, Marquette, Nova, USF, etc. If I was betting money I would say we finish anywhere from 9th-12th.
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5th-8th. We are more talented than a lot of those teams you mention. IMO only 2 schools that I can say are unequivocally at the top and they are Louisville and Cuse. After that, it's open season for 3rd on down...
 
L'Ville, G'Town, Pitt, Cuse, Marquette, USF, UConn, ND are almost locks to be better than us IMO. I won't complain however if we somehow make it to 5th...we would have to really grow up fast.
 
 Easy there killer...I don't think we will finish last either...almost 100% certain of that. BUT...to say we will be no lower than 7th in the Big East that still has Cuse ND, Pitt, UConn, G'Town, L'Ville, Cincy, Marquette, Nova, USF, etc. If I was betting money I would say we finish anywhere from 9th-12th.
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Losing Dunlap has to figure into some of the calculations
 
L'Ville, G'Town, Pitt, Cuse, Marquette, USF, UConn, ND are almost locks to be better than us IMO. I won't complain however if we somehow make it to 5th...we would have to really grow up fast.
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Marquette lost their best players. Georgetown brings nothing back in the backcourt and lost their best forward. Uconn frontcourt is abysmal with zero returning starters nor producers. THe fact that you even list them ahead of us tells me you know nothing about their roster. They lost 3 starters. Pitt is always solid because of good coaching, but I don't think they have as much talent as we do. If they didn't have an awesome young center in Steve Adams I think they'd be in trouble. Notre Dame is good, but we have beaten them 3 of the last 4 times. We have their number and we have played better Notre dame teams than this one, like the ones with Shrek and Abromaitis. Marquette lost far and away their best few players. Losing Crowder and Johnson-Odom is the equivalent of losing both Harkless and D'Angelo.

I don't see how you say these teams are locks to be better. We return more starters than most of the teams you mentioned. The team we return almost beat Duke AT Cameron year with only 6 freshmen, and we add 7 very talented newcomers. Like in said, we return 5 guys who earned starters minutes last year. We have more depth and talent in both the frontcourt and backcourt than many you mentioned. Only thing we have against us is that biologically we're a bit young. I don't think that is necessarily a horrible thing, because it means our learning curve will be sharper as the season moves along. We won't be physically overmatched by anybody I don't believe, that's another thing we have in our favor this year which we had trouble with in past years.
 
 Easy there killer...I don't think we will finish last either...almost 100% certain of that. BUT...to say we will be no lower than 7th in the Big East that still has Cuse ND, Pitt, UConn, G'Town, L'Ville, Cincy, Marquette, Nova, USF, etc. If I was betting money I would say we finish anywhere from 9th-12th.
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Losing Dunlap has to figure into some of the calculations
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What calculation is that? Steve Lavin has as many Sweet 16's as Howland, Buzz and Brey COMBINED and he did it without Dunlap.
 
Thanks "Dees",
Barring a typo, i just re-sorted that list. We are "tied" for 29th in terms of having the best chances of winning it all... I presume these odds get impacted based on the way (they expect) people to bet...
How do we feel about this? Seems pretty solid to me...
   
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Actually tied 28 since Field doesn't really count as a team. Also you have LaSalle in the +2500 position but it looks like they're really +25000 so now they're tied for 27th . . . progress. As it stands now they have STJ 5th in the BE. That's pretty good. The biggest indignation is that Rutgers is the only BE team to be assigned to the field. LOL

That said betting lines are based on how the guys taking the bet are going to make the most money, not based on who they actually think is going to win. I got a million people to bet $100 on Temple today they'd quickly jump up into the top ten of odds.
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West Virginia is below us too, so we're tied for 26th. By the way, if you could get a million people to bet in Temple, they should be in the top 10.
 
 Easy there killer...I don't think we will finish last either...almost 100% certain of that. BUT...to say we will be no lower than 7th in the Big East that still has Cuse ND, Pitt, UConn, G'Town, L'Ville, Cincy, Marquette, Nova, USF, etc. If I was betting money I would say we finish anywhere from 9th-12th.
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Losing Dunlap has to figure into some of the calculations
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So does gaining Darrick Martin.
 
L'Ville, G'Town, Pitt, Cuse, Marquette, USF, UConn, ND are almost locks to be better than us IMO. I won't complain however if we somehow make it to 5th...we would have to really grow up fast.
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I don't see 5th either but the only teams I see as locks to be better are Ville, Cuse and UND. No one else returns or recruited so much that they have a definitive sizable advantage over the other 5 schools on your list, STJ, Cincy (who will probably be better than 2 or 4 teams on your list), or Rutgers. I see SHU, Nova, Depaul and Prov firmly in the bottom 4. As it usually is in the BE it is again.
 
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