UCONN and US a recurring nightmare!

ghostzapper

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My hatred for UConn basketball and Jim Calhoun is probably almost equal to my love of St. John's hoops. I suppose it is because I get this sick feeling of Deja Vu that whenever they do well it seems to coincide with some ominous and strange vibe going on with our program.

It was harmless enough in the beginning, UConn's presence in the Big East as a perennial also ran was a regular thing in the early days of the Conference. Back in the early to mid eighties they played the part of the outclassed opponent to Louie's powerful teams that were composed of great New York City talent. Our teams regularly made appearances in the NCAA Tournament year after year. They were the annual soft part of our conference schedule.. However in 1986 (the year after the great Chris Mullin Walter Berry Mark Jackson team made our last run to the final four) Dom Perno left and Jim Calhoun came in. Soon after that UConn was no longer a doormat.

In the Nineties everything began to shift Louie left and St. John's regular tourney appearances stopped. Uconn became a regular tournament participant while we sat at home. Finally in 1999 Mike Jarvis with some great recruits from Fran Fraschilla had a team that was going to put St. John's back on top. Instead Ken Johnson and Ohio State blocked our run to the final four. I then had to watch in horror as UConn led by Rip Hamilton and Kalid El-Amin upset Duke and won their first national championship.

We moved in to the next century and five years after UConn's title our program had hit rock bottom. Mike Jarvis had destroyed the once proud St. John's Hoop tradition with a unique blend of arrogance and neglect. The scandal at Pittsburgh left us with no scholarship players and an Interim coach and a group of hard trying undermanned walk-ons. We wound up at 6-21 Meanwhile back in Storrs, Emeka Okafor was dominating inside while Ben Gordon (a player Mike Jarvis passed on for Willie Shaw) was raining threes. UConn had its second national title and cemented their reputation as a true national power. On the other hand St. John's had the coming of the Norm Roberts era to look forward to.

Fast Forward another seven years later and again we are on the road back! Norm Roberts had finally left after a six year tenure of mediocrity and now West Coast Steve Lavin was coaching up Norm's players with style and panache. Eleven Days after the Red Storm blew out a number three ranked Duke team in the Garden, number ten UConn came in to the Garden for a February 10th showdown. St. John's led by the stellar play of guard Dwight Hardy ran the Huskies out of the building leaving the outclassed UConn team, including star guard Kemba Walker, gasping for oxygen. They are done I proclaim!! A month later DJ Kennedy blows out his knee and that same Kemba Walker takes UConn on a wild and insanely improbable ride through both the Big East Tournament and then through the NCAA tournament. Somehow,someway Calhoun and UConn win a third national championship. How can this be I ask? Has this guy sold his soul to the devil?

Moving forward the scales are fortunately tipping back. It appears that the good guys are on the rise again and the bad guys are finally getting what they deserve. Yes UConn has finally been exposed. The school's basketball program had to be put on Probation for recruiting violations and academic improprieties. Calhoun had to resign and there is a black cloud over the whole program. It will take many years for them to be relevant again I say. Meanwhile Steve Lavin had been bringing St. John's back to prominence and drawing top talent back to Queens. Finally I think everything is back to where it should be again.

Fast forward to March 8th. 2014. St. John's goes on the road and wins its regular season finale in a thrilling double overtime victory at Marquette. It is their eleventh victory in the last fourteen games and the season looks like, after a slow start, it could blossom into something special. On the same day UConn ends its regular season looking like a bad CYO team in a 81-48 blowout loss to Louisville.

At the end of that March day some believe that St. John's was poised to go on a run in the Big East Tournament and then make a run in the NCAA's. Their roster of highly athletic, top rated, talent brought in by master recruiter Steve Lavin had the reputation of potentially being a problematic match up for anyone in the country. UConn despite a couple of good guards was not expected to have much of a postseason.

Now four weeks later we know the nightmare continues. The wheels have fallen off the St. John's bus. A Big East first round bow out to Providence, followed by an ultra embarrassing first round debacle, at home in the NIT, to bottom seeded Robert Morris. This was then followed by seriously troubling roster defections. Now St. John's future does not look very bright and Steve Lavin's tenure has come into question.

On the other side of this continuing bizarre equation is UConn. Somehow, someway they have made another improbable run through the NCAA tournament. Their new young and dynamic coach Kevin Ollie (a Calhoun disciple) has brought them to their fifth final four in the last fifteen years. Shabazz Napier (who four years ago as a freshman guard was part of that February 10th UConn blowout loss to St. John's) has emulated Kemba Walker and put the Huskies on his back and returned them to the promised land.

With the final four yet to be played I must say that I really really hope that UConn does not win another national title. As they thrive, somewhere like Dorian Gray, there is a picture of St. John's basketball in a closet rotting and withering
 
All very true and well said, however if the shoe was on the other foot and you were a UCONN fan you would be sitting pretty.
What they do has nothing to do with St. John's. They are not even in the league anymore. Johnnie's are in a tough place right now but
it is not the end of the world. Sometimes adversity will bring out the best. Let's hope so.
 
It's not about UConn - its about SJU. Comparing both schools is like comparing Varisty vs. JV. We are a independent catholic commuter school with limited resources and an average scholastic reputation. we have very few alumni who go to games given the size of our alumni base and not enough alumni who have the same pride in their school. Students with connection to the school will support sports programs. Our doesn't... Hasn't for a very long time. Perhaps 1 out of 50 graduates care about SJU college BB program. It's not a nightmare son its reality.
 
I had issues with Calhoun, but don't have any issues with Olie who seems like a decent guy. The are doing much better than I expected and it seems like Ollie is going to keep them relevant.
 
I had issues with Calhoun, but don't have any issues with Olie who seems like a decent guy. The are doing much better than I expected and it seems like Ollie is going to keep them relevant.

True, but it's still hard to watch Calhoun as a cheerleader. Louie sits in the corner, or a few rows up. This guy is practically on the bench.
 
..... They are doing much better than I expected and it seems like Ollie is going to keep them relevant.

I am not sure whether the American Athletic Conference will help or hinder Yukon. This season the AAC had Louisville as a billboard program but next year Louisville exits to the ACC and Rutgers exits to the Big Ten and replaced by lightweights East Carolina, Tulane, and Tulsa. The AAC may help Yukon because it should dominate the league of left overs

It may hurt Yukon because it will be playing in a basketball conference with a relatively slim television contract against teams outside of its geographical area.

Next season the American Athletic Association basketball league will be composed of
- - relative basketball irrelevances Central Florida, South Florida, East Carolina, Tulane, and Tulsa with
- - sometime relevant Temple,
- - new found relevant SMU and
- - relevants Cincinnati and Memphis.
 
Your summary of the fates of the two programs was absolutely spot-on.

Who would ever have thought this would be the case sitting pretty as a SJU fan in ’85/86.

Now Uconn is on top and we’re down there with DePaul, another so called basketball rich tradition school, that has been down for a long time.

Let’s hope it changes and soon.

I don’t care that Uconn is good (or for that matter bad, since they are not in our conference anymore), but first things first, Calhoun built them from scratch and into a powerhouse. Ollie has done a very nice job and not too many people thought he could do it. Kudos to them.

Let’s get our ship straightened out and headed in the right direction. Small Catholic schools can do a credible job, look at Gonzaga, Villanova, G-Town etc.

I am hoping to get back to the day when a non-power college can win the whole thing. Too many Ohio State, Michigan State, Kentucky and Florida--huge rich state schools, argh!
 
Interesting opening post. It made me wonder if the change in the direction of the two programs coincided with Nadav Henefeld mysteriously ending up at UConn, after being brought to the US, from Israel, to play for the Redmen. Never got the full story on that recruiting loss, which was far more damaging than the Wiggans loss.
 
I've stated many times I became a fan during the norm years, so can someone please explain to me what the Pittsburg scandal is? I see it brought up all the time and I just want to be informed so I know what it means, thanks in advance
 
I've stated many times I became a fan during the norm years,


Honestly you deserve some sort of award for actually becoming a fan during the Norm years because you might be the only one in existence.
 
..... They are doing much better than I expected and it seems like Ollie is going to keep them relevant.

I am not sure whether the American Athletic Conference will help or hinder Yukon. This season the AAC had Louisville as a billboard program but next year Louisville exits to the ACC and Rutgers exits to the Big Ten and replaced by lightweights East Carolina, Tulane, and Tulsa. The AAC may help Yukon because it should dominate the league of left overs

It may hurt Yukon because it will be playing in a basketball conference with a relatively slim television contract against teams outside of its geographical area.

Next season the American Athletic Association basketball league will be composed of
- - relative basketball irrelevances Central Florida, South Florida, East Carolina, Tulane, and Tulsa with
- - sometime relevant Temple,
- - new found relevant SMU and
- - relevants Cincinnati and Memphis.

I agree with Otis regarding UConn and the AAC, especially, now with Louisville departing, the AAC will not be considered a top-tier conference.

The rivalries for UConn also arent as good and arent as good from a geographic standpoint either. UConn vs Syracuse/GTown/Pitt/Nova/SJU or UConn vs Memphis/SMU/Cincinnati: The Big East UConn rivalries were far better than the ones in the AAC.

I have no bones to pick with UConn - they have attained success we will never see in our program and they are a HUGE reason the Big East was the best conference for all of those years.

I think there will be more expansion and UConn wont be in the AAC forever.
 
I've stated many times I became a fan during the norm years, so can someone please explain to me what the Pittsburg scandal is? I see it brought up all the time and I just want to be informed so I know what it means, thanks in advance

Jack,
The Pittsburgh scandal had a number of subtle negative effects on the program.

If I recall correctly five (5) players were kicked off of the StJohns team: Elijah Ingram, Abe Keita, Grady Renyolds, Tyler Jones and Mohamed Diakite were all kicked off of the team leaving StJohns severely shorthanded. Elijah Ingram was a McDonald's AA.

The Pittsburgh incident occurred shortly after Jarvis had been fired and as a result recruiting severely lagged during that recruiting cycle. Norm Roberts took over a team with a roster depleted in terms of number and talent. If I recall correctly Roberts inherited a team with only 6 scholarship player on the roster. Things were so bad that Roberts held "tryouts" and had Phil Missere (sp?), a walk on, playing quality minutes. To his credit Roberts, on a budget the fraction of Lavin's recruited kids that graduated but unfortunately was never able to recruit the star power necessary to move up in the Big East rankings. By the conclusion of his 6th season StJohns was competitive and when Roberts was fired leaving Lavin with a NCAA ready team.
 
I've stated many times I became a fan during the norm years, so can someone please explain to me what the Pittsburg scandal is? I see it brought up all the time and I just want to be informed so I know what it means, thanks in advance

Jack,
The Pittsburgh scandal had a number of subtle negative effects on the program.

If I recall correctly five (5) players were kicked off of the StJohns team: Elijah Ingram, Abe Keita, Grady Renyolds, Tyler Jones and Mohamed Diakite were all kicked off of the team leaving StJohns severely shorthanded. Elijah Ingram was a McDonald's AA.

The Pittsburgh incident occurred shortly after Jarvis had been fired and as a result recruiting severely lagged during that recruiting cycle. Norm Roberts took over a team with a roster depleted in terms of number and talent. If I recall correctly Roberts inherited a team with only 6 scholarship player on the roster. Things were so bad that Roberts held "tryouts" and had Phil Missere (sp?), a walk on, playing quality minutes. To his credit Roberts, on a budget the fraction of Lavin's recruited kids that graduated but unfortunately was never able to recruit the star power necessary to move up in the Big East rankings. By the conclusion of his 6th season StJohns was competitive and when Roberts was fired leaving Lavin with a NCAA ready team.

http://www.timesledger.com/stories/2004/7/20040212-archive3.html
 
Jack,

If I can add to the above (and Avon please correct me if I am wrong):

After Kieta was disciplined for the Pittsburgh incident, Kieta, or one associated with him informed the NCAA that he had been receiving a stipend from StJohns which violated NCAA rules. That information lead the NCAA to place StJohns on probation during November of his first season which further handicapped Roberts' efforts.
 
Interesting opening post. It made me wonder if the change in the direction of the two programs coincided with Nadav Henefeld mysteriously ending up at UConn, after being brought to the US, from Israel, to play for the Redmen. Never got the full story on that recruiting loss, which was far more damaging than the Wiggans loss.

Here's some detailed info in this link on Henefeld SJU/UCONN connection. Pretty accurate from what I had been told back at that time.

http://www.uconnhooplegends.com/menslegends/HenefeldNadav.html
 
Interesting opening post. It made me wonder if the change in the direction of the two programs coincided with Nadav Henefeld mysteriously ending up at UConn, after being brought to the US, from Israel, to play for the Redmen. Never got the full story on that recruiting loss, which was far more damaging than the Wiggans loss.

Pretty accurate from what I had been told back at that time.

http://www.uconnhooplegends.com/menslegends/HenefeldNadav.html

yeah, right. I don't think even you actually believe that version.
 
Interesting opening post. It made me wonder if the change in the direction of the two programs coincided with Nadav Henefeld mysteriously ending up at UConn, after being brought to the US, from Israel, to play for the Redmen. Never got the full story on that recruiting loss, which was far more damaging than the Wiggans loss.

Pretty accurate from what I had been told back at that time.

http://www.uconnhooplegends.com/menslegends/HenefeldNadav.html

yeah, right. I don't think even you actually believe that version.

Actually, I had heard he liked that the UCONN campus had trees and hills. Seriously.

But I'm sure there was some sort of BE bidding war for an unknown forward / former Israeli soldier.. :unsure: .
 
I've stated many times I became a fan during the norm years,


Honestly you deserve some sort of award for actually becoming a fan during the Norm years because you might be the only one in existence.


Lol I was young, but remember getting excited when they made the big east tournament with Amase, because back then it wasn't a guarantee to make the BET, so when they got in to that I would get excited.

One of my first years as a fan i remember us winning a game in the BET and coming very close to winning another one, losing to Marquette I believe in a close one.
 
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