UCONN alleged NCAA violations

[quote="fordham96" post=288755]Look if I am Kevin Ollie I am going after my money. As we all would. Jay Bilas:

https://twitter.com/JayBilas/status/1009791922716766208[/quote]

In a negotiation like this, it's all about the stomach you have for the risk involved. Ollie has $10 million coming to him. If he is supremely confident, he let's this go to civil trial, spends a ton of his own money on lawyers, and could come out with a fraction of the $10 million, or even nothing except a legal bill for his risk.

If he flinches, he may settle for half or somewhat less than $10 million.

I guarantee you the school thought of this when they decided to give Hurley a multi year deal at $10 million per.

I seen this many times. The school has nothing to lose and everything to gain. They can afford the lawyers should this be challenged, and personally no one is risking anything. Ollie on the other hand will come out of this with something, and as most lawyers would advise, settle without litigation.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=288766][quote="fordham96" post=288755]Look if I am Kevin Ollie I am going after my money. As we all would. Jay Bilas:

https://twitter.com/JayBilas/status/1009791922716766208[/quote]

In a negotiation like this, it's all about the stomach you have for the risk involved. Ollie has $10 million coming to him. If he is supremely confident, he let's this go to civil trial, spends a ton of his own money on lawyers, and could come out with a fraction of the $10 million, or even nothing except a legal bill for his risk.

If he flinches, he may settle for half or somewhat less than $10 million.

I guarantee you the school thought of this when they decided to give Hurley a multi year deal at $10 million per.

I seen this many times. The school has nothing to lose and everything to gain. They can afford the lawyers should this be challenged, and personally no one is risking anything. Ollie on the other hand will come out of this with something, and as most lawyers would advise, settle without litigation.[/quote]

This is exactly right. The school has little to lose. Again my guess is they will wear Ollie down a little and he will settle for something a little less.

Pitt fired Stallings for "cause" because of the incident in Louisville where he reportedly told a Louisville heckler something about how at least Pitt doesn't pay their players, a reference to the Bowen scandal. Really? Pitt was so embarrassed/offended by that they felt it required his dismissal? Or was it the 0-18 record and the boosters walking into the AD's office as early as January and making it clear that Stallings needs to go or suddenly the money is going to dry up?
 
Conn's strategy is exactly what they would do if the big east was dumb enough to admit them. Put a huge amount of penalty dollars in escrow in the event the ACC or any football conference was willing to admit them and then fight the big east tooth and nail for the penalty they agreed to pay if they left.
 
I think it is a dumb ploy because it is a stunt that will draw more negative publicity than it is worth even if it works against Ollie financially.

This is the University of Connecticut not some small time company where no one would investigate and put this in print. This is an embarrasment to them and the stench will linger for a long time.

There are other ways they can save money without losing respect. Even their own fans have to see this is for what it is.
 
[quote="OLV72" post=288779]I think it is a dumb ploy because it is a stunt that will draw more negative publicity than it is worth even if it works against Ollie financially.

This is the University of Connecticut not some small time company where no one would investigate and put this in print. This is an embarrasment to them and the stench will linger for a long time.

There are other ways they can save money without losing respect. Even their own fans have to see this is for what it is.[/quote]

They hired Danny Hurley one of the best young coaches in the game. If it hurt them they would have never been able to hire Danny. If they thought for 1 second it would hurt them they wouldn't do it. No it won't hurt them. And they are neither the first nor the last school to fire a guy "with cause" when the reasons for cause are very shaky.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=288792][quote="OLV72" post=288779]I think it is a dumb ploy because it is a stunt that will draw more negative publicity than it is worth even if it works against Ollie financially.

This is the University of Connecticut not some small time company where no one would investigate and put this in print. This is an embarrasment to them and the stench will linger for a long time.

There are other ways they can save money without losing respect. Even their own fans have to see this is for what it is.[/quote]

They hired Danny Hurley one of the best young coaches in the game. If it hurt them they would have never been able to hire Danny. If they thought for 1 second it would hurt them they wouldn't do it. No it won't hurt them. And they are neither the first nor the last school to fire a guy "with cause" when the reasons for cause are very shaky.[/quote]


The list of pathetic "violations" just came out yesterday.

We'll see how this plays out. I think it makes them look bad.

Good luck to Hurley. At the very least he now sees what his bosses will do if he fails to succeed up there.
 
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I'm not sure if this goes to a 'civil trial' or 'arbitration', but the 'for cause' charges UCONN listed as its 'case' against Ollie are totally laughable.
Go for it all + aggravation, Ollie.
Cannot see how you'll lose.
And it'll plaster UCONN with some ugly PR.
Go for it.
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=288794]I'm not sure if this goes to a 'civil trial' or 'arbitration', but the 'for cause' charges UCONN listed as its 'case' against Ollie are totally laughable.
Go for it all + aggravation, Ollie.
Cannot see how you'll lose.
And it'll plaster UCONN with some ugly PR.
Go for it.[/quote]

If it goes to arbitration, he can't get aggravation, the most he can get is the total $10M.

If it goes to civil court, a different story.

Either way he could get less and he still has his lawyer fees to pay.
 
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Okay SJU85, good points. Thanks.
I suppose he could 'settle' with UCONN for the $10mm, plus his lawyer's fees.
But if he can go civil trial, he'll get a bigger pay day.
UCONN's 'case' laughable
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=288766][quote="fordham96" post=288755]Look if I am Kevin Ollie I am going after my money. As we all would. Jay Bilas:

https://twitter.com/JayBilas/status/1009791922716766208[/quote]

In a negotiation like this, it's all about the stomach you have for the risk involved. Ollie has $10 million coming to him. If he is supremely confident, he let's this go to civil trial, spends a ton of his own money on lawyers, and could come out with a fraction of the $10 million, or even nothing except a legal bill for his risk.

If he flinches, he may settle for half or somewhat less than $10 million.

I guarantee you the school thought of this when they decided to give Hurley a multi year deal at $10 million per.

I seen this many times. The school has nothing to lose and everything to gain. They can afford the lawyers should this be challenged, and personally no one is risking anything. Ollie on the other hand will come out of this with something, and as most lawyers would advise, settle without litigation.[/quote]

Not to sure he will pay legal fees. Many a top litigator would take his case on a small contingency. I don’t litigate but if I did with the fact pattern as described I would certainly take his case on contingency.
 
UCONN made the decision to fire Ollie and hire Hurley under intense pressure by Alums.
But, their course is loaded with risk.
IF it goes to civil trial--the negative coverage of the case in CT as well as on ESPN will be a beautiful thing to behold.
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=288802]UCONN made the decision to fire Ollie and hire Hurley under intense pressure by Alums.
But, their course is loaded with risk.
IF it goes to civil trial--the negative coverage of the case in CT as well as on ESPN will be a beautiful thing to behold.[/quote]

They can ride this all the way to jury selection. They can dig in deep and offer Ollie, say #3 million. Then just as the trial is about to begin, up their offer to 5 or 6, and settle out of court.

This will not go to trial
 
I missed the self imposed sanctions they announced now that they are aware of the awful violations they committed.
 
[quote="redmannorth" post=288798][quote="Beast of the East" post=288766][quote="fordham96" post=288755]Look if I am Kevin Ollie I am going after my money. As we all would. Jay Bilas:

https://twitter.com/JayBilas/status/1009791922716766208[/quote]

In a negotiation like this, it's all about the stomach you have for the risk involved. Ollie has $10 million coming to him. If he is supremely confident, he let's this go to civil trial, spends a ton of his own money on lawyers, and could come out with a fraction of the $10 million, or even nothing except a legal bill for his risk.

If he flinches, he may settle for half or somewhat less than $10 million.

I guarantee you the school thought of this when they decided to give Hurley a multi year deal at $10 million per.

I seen this many times. The school has nothing to lose and everything to gain. They can afford the lawyers should this be challenged, and personally no one is risking anything. Ollie on the other hand will come out of this with something, and as most lawyers would advise, settle without litigation.[/quote]

Not to sure he will pay legal fees. Many a top litigator would take his case on a small contingency. I don’t litigate but if I did with the fact pattern as described I would certainly take his case on contingency.[/quote]
Where the heck are you guys getting Hurley at 10 million per? He signed a 6 year deal at about 3 million per. 10 million per is more than Nick Saban and Urban Meyer earn.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=288805][quote="Chicago Days" post=288802]UCONN made the decision to fire Ollie and hire Hurley under intense pressure by Alums.
But, their course is loaded with risk.
IF it goes to civil trial--the negative coverage of the case in CT as well as on ESPN will be a beautiful thing to behold.[/quote]

They can ride this all the way to jury selection. They can dig in deep and offer Ollie, say #3 million. Then just as the trial is about to begin, up their offer to 5 or 6, and settle out of court.

This will not go to trial[/quote]

I'm not an attorney, but I've been involved in / privy to arbitration cases which have virtually zero 'outside' adverse PR, but the 'civil trial' route involves a long journey to 'jury selection', while Ollie & Crew feed the media bad vibes about UCONN.
I'm not disputing your view that it will never go to trial, and it's obvious that UCONN committed to Hurley whether they would have to pay Ollie in full or not.
My point is, IF it goes along the path to a civil trial, the 'result' will be negative PR for UCONN--giving them an incentive to settle as well.
 
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[quote="Beast of the East" post=288805][quote="Chicago Days" post=288802]UCONN made the decision to fire Ollie and hire Hurley under intense pressure by Alums.
But, their course is loaded with risk.
IF it goes to civil trial--the negative coverage of the case in CT as well as on ESPN will be a beautiful thing to behold.[/quote]

They can ride this all the way to jury selection. They can dig in deep and offer Ollie, say #3 million. Then just as the trial is about to begin, up their offer to 5 or 6, and settle out of court.

This will not go to trial[/quote]

Beast, are you an attorney or just play one on redmen.com?:p :p
I want to hear what real attorneys here think. So, Logen and SlyFox, what are your thoughts on this Uconn case?:silly:
 
[quote="bamafan" post=288813][quote="redmannorth" post=288798][quote="Beast of the East" post=288766][quote="fordham96" post=288755]Look if I am Kevin Ollie I am going after my money. As we all would. Jay Bilas:

https://twitter.com/JayBilas/status/1009791922716766208[/quote]

In a negotiation like this, it's all about the stomach you have for the risk involved. Ollie has $10 million coming to him. If he is supremely confident, he let's this go to civil trial, spends a ton of his own money on lawyers, and could come out with a fraction of the $10 million, or even nothing except a legal bill for his risk.

If he flinches, he may settle for half or somewhat less than $10 million.

I guarantee you the school thought of this when they decided to give Hurley a multi year deal at $10 million per.

I seen this many times. The school has nothing to lose and everything to gain. They can afford the lawyers should this be challenged, and personally no one is risking anything. Ollie on the other hand will come out of this with something, and as most lawyers would advise, settle without litigation.[/quote]

Not to sure he will pay legal fees. Many a top litigator would take his case on a small contingency. I don’t litigate but if I did with the fact pattern as described I would certainly take his case on contingency.[/quote]
Where the heck are you guys getting Hurley at 10 million per? He signed a 6 year deal at about 3 million per. 10 million per is more than Nick Saban and Urban Meyer earn.[/quote]

Typo. $3 million per with escalation. Olie is owed about 10 million for 3 seasons left. I don't know if anyone else would have paid Hurley $3mm per but even so, it's close to home for his mom and dad,and it's a program that has won championships.

Insofar as trial, there may be clauses in his employment agreement mandating arbitration as a route before litigation. It may or may not be binding arbitration. Arbitrators almost always seek some sort a middle ground.

Redmannorth, if an attorney took this on contingency, what would you consider small? Standard rate on contingency is 1/3 after expenses in personal injury cases. Would small to you be 5%, 10%, etc? In Ollie's case that would still be costly.

Good chance Uconn attorneys have a method to their madness here, and will either tie up settlement as legal costs mount or hope some alleged violation sticks.

I am not an attorney 72, but pay one in real life. :) unfortunately have dealt with this stuff too much very recently.
 
[quote="bamafan" post=288813][quote="redmannorth" post=288798][quote="Beast of the East" post=288766][quote="fordham96" post=288755]Look if I am Kevin Ollie I am going after my money. As we all would. Jay Bilas:

https://twitter.com/JayBilas/status/1009791922716766208[/quote]

In a negotiation like this, it's all about the stomach you have for the risk involved. Ollie has $10 million coming to him. If he is supremely confident, he let's this go to civil trial, spends a ton of his own money on lawyers, and could come out with a fraction of the $10 million, or even nothing except a legal bill for his risk.

If he flinches, he may settle for half or somewhat less than $10 million.

I guarantee you the school thought of this when they decided to give Hurley a multi year deal at $10 million per.

I seen this many times. The school has nothing to lose and everything to gain. They can afford the lawyers should this be challenged, and personally no one is risking anything. Ollie on the other hand will come out of this with something, and as most lawyers would advise, settle without litigation.[/quote]

Not to sure he will pay legal fees. Many a top litigator would take his case on a small contingency. I don’t litigate but if I did with the fact pattern as described I would certainly take his case on contingency.[/quote]
Where the heck are you guys getting Hurley at 10 million per? He signed a 6 year deal at about 3 million per. 10 million per is more than Nick Saban and Urban Meyer earn.[/quote]

Typo. $3 million per with escalation. Olie is owed about 10 million for 3 seasons left. I don't know if anyone else would have paid Hurley $3mm per but even so, it's close to home for his mom and dad,and it's a program that has won championships.

Insofar as trial, there may be clauses in his employment agreement mandating arbitration as a route before litigation. It may or may not be binding arbitration. Arbitrators almost always seek some sort a middle ground.

Redmannorth, if an attorney took this on contingency, what would you consider small? Standard rate on contingency is 1/3 after expenses in personal injury cases. Would small to you be 5%, 10%, etc? In Ollie's case that would still be costly.

Good chance Uconn attorneys have a method to their madness here, and will either tie up settlement as legal costs mount or hope some alleged violation sticks.

I am not an attorney 72, but pay one in real life. Actually, two. :) unfortunately have dealt with this stuff too much very recently.
 
[quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=288761]Did I read the Courant article correctly that Ollie shooting around a bit with a recruit on a visit was some sort of violation? That is an absurdly idiotic rule.[/quote]

Very stupid rule. I was once reported to the NCAA because I was a grad assistant and was caught practicing against the team.
 
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