UCONN alleged NCAA violations
- Thread starter Demo
- Start date
Ray Morgan
Well-known member
[quote="Mario DiMaria" post=288735]http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/23856584/uconn-investigation-alleges-former-coach-kevin-ollie-violated-multiple-ncaa-rules[/quote]
I think they left out "chewing gum in class". Well, they did save a lot of money.
I think they left out "chewing gum in class". Well, they did save a lot of money.
Why would a coach of Hurley's stature go to an organization that pulls this stunt on his predecessor.?
He can get the same money from a top six conference program.
The uconn brand is enough for him to look past this?
This move by uconn can't be popular among the coaching fraternity
He can get the same money from a top six conference program.
The uconn brand is enough for him to look past this?
This move by uconn can't be popular among the coaching fraternity
Seems like very weak violations. Why can’t a former player talk to a recruit about their alma mater? Outside trainers can’t work with players on campus? Why not?
Why can’t a coach shoot around with recruits?
Dumb rules imo.
Miniscule stuff.
Not the major stuff like payments to recruits and their families or bogus classes or hooker-relief that the NCAA overlooks for its ‘favorites’.
Ticks me off.
Why can’t a coach shoot around with recruits?
Dumb rules imo.
Miniscule stuff.
Not the major stuff like payments to recruits and their families or bogus classes or hooker-relief that the NCAA overlooks for its ‘favorites’.
Ticks me off.
It's a negotiating ploy by UCONN to get leverage in buyout negotiations.
If you believe UCONN was too embarrassed by these "violations" by Ollie that he was fired with cause then you believe even if he went 26-5 he still would have been fired? After you stop laughing you'll understand this is a ploy.
If you believe UCONN was too embarrassed by these "violations" by Ollie that he was fired with cause then you believe even if he went 26-5 he still would have been fired? After you stop laughing you'll understand this is a ploy.
Last edited:
prjohnnies
Member
Negotiating ploy but UCONN comes across as laughable given the violations they allege. I'm sure Stuttering Jim had his share of antics that make these seem equivalent to the "chewing gum in class" scenario.
beast of the east
Active member
Paying Hurley $3 mm per year while on the hook with Ollie for about that amount through 2021 should be the main charge.
Makes Slice payout seem small by comparison
Makes Slice payout seem small by comparison
2 small points.
At $3 million a year there will always be a line up to Coach at Uconn, and while they may not get the greatest coach out there they will always be able to procure the services of an up and coming star.
Fordham96 is correct that this is a negotiating tool. If in fact they can prove that Ollie was told that he had to run a squeaky clean program these somewhat minor infractions support their case for dismissal. Had Ollie won big , or even won , his last 2 years , this discussion would not be taking place.
At $3 million a year there will always be a line up to Coach at Uconn, and while they may not get the greatest coach out there they will always be able to procure the services of an up and coming star.
Fordham96 is correct that this is a negotiating tool. If in fact they can prove that Ollie was told that he had to run a squeaky clean program these somewhat minor infractions support their case for dismissal. Had Ollie won big , or even won , his last 2 years , this discussion would not be taking place.
JohnnyFever
Active member
The NCAA won't do anything. This is just another example of the NCAA saying "hey don't do that stuff...but we won't do anything if you do 
". The cheaters are winning. Unfortunately Hurley will get them back to prominence most likely and UNC will still be laughing after getting a slap on the wrist for having fake classes. Louisville did just about everything it could to get the death penalty and they also got a slap on the wrist and won't skip a beat. Unbelievable. It's such a joke that these schools really haven't even experienced difficulty recruiting...they just pickup where they left off.
". The cheaters are winning. Unfortunately Hurley will get them back to prominence most likely and UNC will still be laughing after getting a slap on the wrist for having fake classes. Louisville did just about everything it could to get the death penalty and they also got a slap on the wrist and won't skip a beat. Unbelievable. It's such a joke that these schools really haven't even experienced difficulty recruiting...they just pickup where they left off.
Last edited:
[quote="OLV72" post=288742]Yeah, but a dumb negotiating ploy. They are a joke. Small minded and typical of how they handle things up there
Hope they are stuck in that conference forever[/quote]
How is it necessarily a dumb ploy?. If they could say shave a few million bucks off the overall buyout number they would have normally owed him if he was fired simply for performance (which we all know wink wink is REALLY why he was fired) then I don't see it as dumb.
Again I agree these seem like Mickey Mouse violations and I think if you gave the UCONN administration a dose of truth serum they would admit Ollie wasn't fired for this but because he didn't win enough. But they aren't necessarily trying to get away with paying none of it ultimately they realize they will probably owe Ollie something. They just prefer to have a reduced amount.
Hope they are stuck in that conference forever[/quote]
How is it necessarily a dumb ploy?. If they could say shave a few million bucks off the overall buyout number they would have normally owed him if he was fired simply for performance (which we all know wink wink is REALLY why he was fired) then I don't see it as dumb.
Again I agree these seem like Mickey Mouse violations and I think if you gave the UCONN administration a dose of truth serum they would admit Ollie wasn't fired for this but because he didn't win enough. But they aren't necessarily trying to get away with paying none of it ultimately they realize they will probably owe Ollie something. They just prefer to have a reduced amount.
Class of 72
Active member
"shot baskets with a recruit on an official visit" ??????????
Does anyone here have the exact wording of this "infraction" from the NCAA DOUBLE Standard rule book?
Isn't this what Mullin does with every recruit? Or maybe he shoots baskets with just recruits on "unofficial" visits?
Yes, as North and Fordham stated, it is an obvious contract exit negotiating ploy but also should serve as a tutorial for our staff and administration. Everyone at St. John's needs to get their act together - from coaches winning games to reading the fine print in Slice's contract.
Finally, it shows that even playing icons like Ollie, who won a national championship, are not immune from termination for poor performance and especially sustained success.
Does anyone here have the exact wording of this "infraction" from the NCAA DOUBLE Standard rule book?
Isn't this what Mullin does with every recruit? Or maybe he shoots baskets with just recruits on "unofficial" visits?
Yes, as North and Fordham stated, it is an obvious contract exit negotiating ploy but also should serve as a tutorial for our staff and administration. Everyone at St. John's needs to get their act together - from coaches winning games to reading the fine print in Slice's contract.
Finally, it shows that even playing icons like Ollie, who won a national championship, are not immune from termination for poor performance and especially sustained success.
The Union for the University Professors has stepped into take up Ollie's cause. The matter is headed to arbitration which the Union president predicts that Ollie shall win because of prior inconsistent enforcement by Yukon.
The below link is to an article with the below excerpts;
[URL][URL]https://www.nhregister.co...s-Kevin-Ollie-s-termination-case-13011829.php[/URL][/URL]
In a letter emailed to Hearst Connecticut Media, Michael Bailey (the AAUP President) said UConn had a “pre-existing plan to hire Coach Dan Hurley,” and took the “extreme step” to justify just cause before the NCAA completed its ongoing investigation.
“To falsely claim ‘just cause’ exists for alleged NCAA infractions in order to avoid paying a debt that is due to Coach Ollie exposes the hypocrisy of the University’s treatment of Coach Ollie,” Bailey wrote.
Bailey added that Herbst’s letter denied any comparison to be made between Ollie’s “harsh treatment” and other UConn coaches, including Jim Calhoun — noting that the university stood by Calhoun and supported him throughout an NCAA investigation in 2010-11, and even after the NCAA determined Calhoun and his subordinates had committed violations.
Calhoun received a three-game suspension by the NCAA and was issued a “letter of admonishment” from the school.
Hearst Connecticut Media acquired emails and other documentation regarding recent secondary violations committed by UConn. In one, Ollie shot a few baskets, while in street clothes on the way to lunch, with a recruit on an official visit Sept. 8-10, 2017, inside the Werth Family Champions Center. The recruit, whose name was redacted from the document, was Akinjo. His aunt posted video of Ollie shooting baskets with Akinjo, and it was ruled non-permissable by UConn’s compliance department since high school season had not concluded and the recruit hadn’t received proper medical clearance.
...............
Bailey said that UConn has provided information to the AAUP about 120 secondary violations by other coaches in all sports at UConn from 2010 to the present. None of those coaches were fired.
According to Bailey, since Ollie was hired in September, 2012, UConn declared 11 secondary or level-three infractions by the women’s basketball program (only two of which were self-reported by the program), 12 similar infractions by the men’s program and 13 by the football program.
“Thus,” Bailey wrote, “the unfair, differential treatment applied to Coach Ollie to avoid paying his contract is readily apparent in the University’s treatment of him in contrast to his peers at UConn.”
“Coach Ollie will surely prevail in the arbitration proceeding that is to follow,” Bailey added, “but at great expense to his reputation and his career. All citizens of the state who are concerned about the integrity of the University of Connecticut need to be aware of the unfair, double standard applied to Coach Ollie and should speak out against this blatant inequity.”
The below link is to an article with the below excerpts;
[URL][URL]https://www.nhregister.co...s-Kevin-Ollie-s-termination-case-13011829.php[/URL][/URL]
In a letter emailed to Hearst Connecticut Media, Michael Bailey (the AAUP President) said UConn had a “pre-existing plan to hire Coach Dan Hurley,” and took the “extreme step” to justify just cause before the NCAA completed its ongoing investigation.
“To falsely claim ‘just cause’ exists for alleged NCAA infractions in order to avoid paying a debt that is due to Coach Ollie exposes the hypocrisy of the University’s treatment of Coach Ollie,” Bailey wrote.
Bailey added that Herbst’s letter denied any comparison to be made between Ollie’s “harsh treatment” and other UConn coaches, including Jim Calhoun — noting that the university stood by Calhoun and supported him throughout an NCAA investigation in 2010-11, and even after the NCAA determined Calhoun and his subordinates had committed violations.
Calhoun received a three-game suspension by the NCAA and was issued a “letter of admonishment” from the school.
Hearst Connecticut Media acquired emails and other documentation regarding recent secondary violations committed by UConn. In one, Ollie shot a few baskets, while in street clothes on the way to lunch, with a recruit on an official visit Sept. 8-10, 2017, inside the Werth Family Champions Center. The recruit, whose name was redacted from the document, was Akinjo. His aunt posted video of Ollie shooting baskets with Akinjo, and it was ruled non-permissable by UConn’s compliance department since high school season had not concluded and the recruit hadn’t received proper medical clearance.
...............
Bailey said that UConn has provided information to the AAUP about 120 secondary violations by other coaches in all sports at UConn from 2010 to the present. None of those coaches were fired.
According to Bailey, since Ollie was hired in September, 2012, UConn declared 11 secondary or level-three infractions by the women’s basketball program (only two of which were self-reported by the program), 12 similar infractions by the men’s program and 13 by the football program.
“Thus,” Bailey wrote, “the unfair, differential treatment applied to Coach Ollie to avoid paying his contract is readily apparent in the University’s treatment of him in contrast to his peers at UConn.”
“Coach Ollie will surely prevail in the arbitration proceeding that is to follow,” Bailey added, “but at great expense to his reputation and his career. All citizens of the state who are concerned about the integrity of the University of Connecticut need to be aware of the unfair, double standard applied to Coach Ollie and should speak out against this blatant inequity.”
Class of 72
Active member
[quote="otis" post=288753]The Union for the University Professors has stepped into take up Ollie's cause. The matter is headed to arbitration which the Union president predicts that Ollie shall win because of prior inconsistent enforcement by Yukon.
The below link is to an article with the below excerpts;
[URL][URL]https://www.nhregister.co...s-Kevin-Ollie-s-termination-case-13011829.php[/URL][/URL]
In a letter emailed to Hearst Connecticut Media, Michael Bailey (the AAUP President) said UConn had a “pre-existing plan to hire Coach Dan Hurley,” and took the “extreme step” to justify just cause before the NCAA completed its ongoing investigation.
“To falsely claim ‘just cause’ exists for alleged NCAA infractions in order to avoid paying a debt that is due to Coach Ollie exposes the hypocrisy of the University’s treatment of Coach Ollie,” Bailey wrote.
Bailey added that Herbst’s letter denied any comparison to be made between Ollie’s “harsh treatment” and other UConn coaches, including Jim Calhoun — noting that the university stood by Calhoun and supported him throughout an NCAA investigation in 2010-11, and even after the NCAA determined Calhoun and his subordinates had committed violations.
Calhoun received a three-game suspension by the NCAA and was issued a “letter of admonishment” from the school.
Hearst Connecticut Media acquired emails and other documentation regarding recent secondary violations committed by UConn. In one, Ollie shot a few baskets, while in street clothes on the way to lunch, with a recruit on an official visit Sept. 8-10, 2017, inside the Werth Family Champions Center. The recruit, whose name was redacted from the document, was Akinjo. His aunt posted video of Ollie shooting baskets with Akinjo, and it was ruled non-permissable by UConn’s compliance department since high school season had not concluded and the recruit hadn’t received proper medical clearance.
...............
Bailey said that UConn has provided information to the AAUP about 120 secondary violations by other coaches in all sports at UConn from 2010 to the present. None of those coaches were fired.
According to Bailey, since Ollie was hired in September, 2012, UConn declared 11 secondary or level-three infractions by the women’s basketball program (only two of which were self-reported by the program), 12 similar infractions by the men’s program and 13 by the football program.
“Thus,” Bailey wrote, “the unfair, differential treatment applied to Coach Ollie to avoid paying his contract is readily apparent in the University’s treatment of him in contrast to his peers at UConn.”
“Coach Ollie will surely prevail in the arbitration proceeding that is to follow,” Bailey added, “but at great expense to his reputation and his career. All citizens of the state who are concerned about the integrity of the University of Connecticut need to be aware of the unfair, double standard applied to Coach Ollie and should speak out against this blatant inequity.”[/quote]
Ollie shall win because of prior inconsistent enforcement by Yukon.
It wasn't inconsistent! It was consistently unenforced.
For some here warm to readmitting UCONN to the Big East please be reminded that their university president Susan POS was a prime architect in plotting for Uconn to be admitted to the ACC.
The below link is to an article with the below excerpts;
[URL][URL]https://www.nhregister.co...s-Kevin-Ollie-s-termination-case-13011829.php[/URL][/URL]
In a letter emailed to Hearst Connecticut Media, Michael Bailey (the AAUP President) said UConn had a “pre-existing plan to hire Coach Dan Hurley,” and took the “extreme step” to justify just cause before the NCAA completed its ongoing investigation.
“To falsely claim ‘just cause’ exists for alleged NCAA infractions in order to avoid paying a debt that is due to Coach Ollie exposes the hypocrisy of the University’s treatment of Coach Ollie,” Bailey wrote.
Bailey added that Herbst’s letter denied any comparison to be made between Ollie’s “harsh treatment” and other UConn coaches, including Jim Calhoun — noting that the university stood by Calhoun and supported him throughout an NCAA investigation in 2010-11, and even after the NCAA determined Calhoun and his subordinates had committed violations.
Calhoun received a three-game suspension by the NCAA and was issued a “letter of admonishment” from the school.
Hearst Connecticut Media acquired emails and other documentation regarding recent secondary violations committed by UConn. In one, Ollie shot a few baskets, while in street clothes on the way to lunch, with a recruit on an official visit Sept. 8-10, 2017, inside the Werth Family Champions Center. The recruit, whose name was redacted from the document, was Akinjo. His aunt posted video of Ollie shooting baskets with Akinjo, and it was ruled non-permissable by UConn’s compliance department since high school season had not concluded and the recruit hadn’t received proper medical clearance.
...............
Bailey said that UConn has provided information to the AAUP about 120 secondary violations by other coaches in all sports at UConn from 2010 to the present. None of those coaches were fired.
According to Bailey, since Ollie was hired in September, 2012, UConn declared 11 secondary or level-three infractions by the women’s basketball program (only two of which were self-reported by the program), 12 similar infractions by the men’s program and 13 by the football program.
“Thus,” Bailey wrote, “the unfair, differential treatment applied to Coach Ollie to avoid paying his contract is readily apparent in the University’s treatment of him in contrast to his peers at UConn.”
“Coach Ollie will surely prevail in the arbitration proceeding that is to follow,” Bailey added, “but at great expense to his reputation and his career. All citizens of the state who are concerned about the integrity of the University of Connecticut need to be aware of the unfair, double standard applied to Coach Ollie and should speak out against this blatant inequity.”[/quote]
Ollie shall win because of prior inconsistent enforcement by Yukon.
It wasn't inconsistent! It was consistently unenforced.
For some here warm to readmitting UCONN to the Big East please be reminded that their university president Susan POS was a prime architect in plotting for Uconn to be admitted to the ACC.
Look if I am Kevin Ollie I am going after my money. As we all would. Jay Bilas:
https://twitter.com/JayBilas/status/1009791922716766208
https://twitter.com/JayBilas/status/1009791922716766208
