Tyler Olander suspended by CONNU

PM me if you want the stats because I don't want to take away from the UConn topic. Again I was just replying to an out of the box statement which was extremely vague and misleading.

I wonder if somewhere down the line UConn joins back in the Big East. Our success may make it even more appealing especially if the AAC does horribly which may very well happen sans Memphis, Cincy, etc.
 
a proud graduate of Marist University, the finest school of higher learning (including community colleges and barber schools) in the entire city of Poughkeepsie, and which is sometimes referred to as the Sorbonne of the Mid Hudson Valley
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Haaaaaa now that's some funny ish
 
a proud graduate of Marist University, the finest school of higher learning (including community colleges and barber schools) in the entire city of Poughkeepsie, and which is sometimes referred to as the Sorbonne of the Mid Hudson Valley
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Haaaaaa now that's some funny ish
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Funny but apparently Fun forgot about Vassar, and CIA.
 
I'm not condoning the environment that persists at UCONN, but something like 30-40% of all males in the US are arrested at least once before they turn 23.
There isn't a crisis at UCONN or in college athletics (in this regard at least), this is just America
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What a ridiculous statistic. Ridiculous because you aren't telling the obvious whole story and is very misleading. Draw your own conclusions as to what I mean.
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I grew up in a town that was almost entirely white and you'd be hard-pressed to find any guy that didn't have at least a few citations or arrests for something drinking related. I've seen cops hand out 50 citations at one outdoor keg party. DUIs? Forget about it. If anything, I think that stat seems low irrespective of race.
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Citations? He said arrests. You are probably comparing parking violations with being arrested for robbery. The stats completely disagree with what you guys are saying. If it were up to me there would be no crime committed by no one. I can't control what the stats are but I can report them and cite them. Doing such does not make you the "r" word. That word has been thrown around so much for no reason that it lost its luster and means nothing now. Using that word to throw at someone means you have nothing else to argue back. It's the equivalent of waving a white flag in a last resort. I don't control the fact that 2+2=4, but it's maddening when someone says 2+2=13. If I argued the way you are with me I could just call you ageist and sexist, but I have stats on my side. The stats are unfortunate but true. Why run from them and cover your eyes?

Anyway, that was brought up in the first place, I was just responding. Don't put it out there if you don't want it challenged. I think UConn is going to be a very good team this year and I wish we still had them.
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Joe I never ever thought I'd say this, but I happen to agree with you on this one.
 
I can't control what the stats are but I can report them and cite them. Doing such does not make you the "r" word. That word has been thrown around so much for no reason that it lost its luster and means nothing now. Using that word to throw at someone means you have nothing else to argue back. It's the equivalent of waving a white flag in a last resort. I don't control the fact that 2+2=4, but it's maddening when someone says 2+2=13. If I argued the way you are with me I could just call you ageist and sexist, but I have stats on my side. The stats are unfortunate but true. Why run from them and cover your eyes?

Anyway, that was brought up in the first place, I was just responding. Don't put it out there if you don't want it challenged
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Put aside race, I highly doubt that 30-40% of college educated males are arrested at least once before they turn 23. My assumption would be that that % goes much higher as the educational level gets lower.

You didn't report or cite any statistics. Allow me to recap. MBC Desco reported a statistic from a recent study which suggested that 30 percent of all Americans had been arrested by the time they were 23. His point was that what happened in Uconn was symptomatic of what is happening across society more broadly: that is, a complete moral breakdown as civilization plunges into the abyss. Being a member of the Smratest Generation ® and a proud graduate of Marist University, the finest school of higher learning (including community colleges and barber schools) in the entire city of Poughkeepsie, and which is sometimes referred to as the Sorbonne of the Mid Hudson Valley, you will have read the study and noted that there was no demographic breakdown, meaning no statistics about your er bete noire, race. Still, you maintain that there are statistics, and that you cited them. Whereas the only equation you cited was 2+2, which you claim equals minority.

The moron Chris Matthews once said, after one of President Obama's speeches, that the speech was so good that he (Matthews) forgot for a second that President Obama was a black man. Presumably that means that the rest of the time the first thing he thinks is: hey look, a black man. Which makes him a racist by definition. Me, I know I'm an achromat because when I see Obama the first thing I think is: look at that chowderhead with the jug ears. Which is the same thing I think when I see Ross Perot. Which makes me pure of spirit. You are told a number - 30 percent - and see instead a color - swarthy. Either you have some racial issues or you have some degree of cognitive impairment in your occipital lobe. Either way you should get it checked out.

And the hilarious part is you claim to have a Master's degree in psychology. It's as if Oprah had a doctorate in nutrition.
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I can't control what the stats are but I can report them and cite them. Doing such does not make you the "r" word. That word has been thrown around so much for no reason that it lost its luster and means nothing now. Using that word to throw at someone means you have nothing else to argue back. It's the equivalent of waving a white flag in a last resort. I don't control the fact that 2+2=4, but it's maddening when someone says 2+2=13. If I argued the way you are with me I could just call you ageist and sexist, but I have stats on my side. The stats are unfortunate but true. Why run from them and cover your eyes?

Anyway, that was brought up in the first place, I was just responding. Don't put it out there if you don't want it challenged
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You didn't report or cite any statistics. Allow me to recap. MBC Desco reported a statistic from a recent study which suggested that 30 percent of all Americans had been arrested by the time they were 23. His point was that what happened in Uconn was symptomatic of what is happening across society more broadly: that is, a complete moral breakdown as civilization plunges into the abyss. Being a member of the Smratest Generation ® and a proud graduate of Marist University, the finest school of higher learning (including community colleges and barber schools) in the entire city of Poughkeepsie, and which is sometimes referred to as the Sorbonne of the Mid Hudson Valley, you will have read the study and noted that there was no demographic breakdown, meaning no statistics about your er bete noire, race. Still, you maintain that there are statistics, and that you cited them. Whereas the only equation you cited was 2+2, which you claim equals minority.

The moron Chris Matthews once said, after one of President Obama's speeches, that the speech was so good that he (Matthews) forgot for a second that President Obama was a black man. Presumably that means that the rest of the time the first thing he thinks is: hey look, a black man. Which makes him a racist by definition. Me, I know I'm an achromat because when I see Obama the first thing I think is: look at that chowderhead with the jug ears. Which is the same thing I think when I see Ross Perot. Which makes me pure of spirit. You are told a number - 30 percent - and see instead a color - swarthy. Either you have some racial issues or you have some degree of cognitive impairment in your occipital lobe. Either way you should get it checked out.

And the hilarious part is you claim to have a Master's degree in psychology. It's as if Oprah had a doctorate in nutrition.
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Put aside race, I highly doubt that 30-40% of college educated males are arrested at least once before they turn 23. My assumption would be that that % goes much higher as the educational level gets lower.
 
Put aside race, I highly doubt that 30-40% of college educated males are arrested at least once before they turn 23. My assumption would be that that % goes much higher as the educational level gets lower.
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Leaving aside my disinterest in your doubts and assumptions, there are a thousand variables that would affect the outcome, none of which are directly correlative, which is one of the many reasons why the social sciences are to real science as social butterflies are to insects. Fewer churchgoers are arrested than non church goers. Children from two parent households are arrested less often than parents from one parent households. Drinkers are more likely to commit crimes than non drinkers. Virgins are less likely to commit crimes than non virgins. More brunettes are arrested than redheads. The employed are arrested less often than the unemployed. You can go on and on. When there are a million variables and you only see one of them and you only see the same one every time and correlate every event and occurrence to the same variable, that sort of monomania reveals something about the observer, not the event.
 
Attack Joe's opinions all you like, but I'd prefer if you not silence him every time the conversation turns to politics or religion. He's not attacking anyone personally. If anything, those complaining should just recommend the debate be moved to a different thread in the Players' Lounge, or whatever we call the non-basketball forum. Then, you can choose not to click on it, or not.

Joe, as for your insinuation that arrests rates for minorities are significantly higher than that for whites; of course that's true. No-one with real information would deny that. But, as Fun pointed out, the study I mentioned didn't provide a demographic breakdown, it just showed that a large percentage of Americans are arrested before they turn 23. My contention stands that if every season a player on UCONN, or 5 on Florida's football team are arrested, that isn't statistically that far from par for the course in this country. UCONN might recruit "thugs", I don't know. But, I do know that the criminal records of college athletes are being magnified to a point of distortion, and in turn their names are being sullied unfairly.

I didn't take a head count, but I reasonably estimate that 1/4 of the guys I went to law school with had to get a certificate of disposition for a dwi, a pot charge, or a bar fight, when we were filling out bar applications. It was a pretty common thing. So I find it a little sanctimonious that grad schools accepted us, DA offices and Big Law were willing to hire us, but college athletes get vilified for the same offenses.

Also, while your contention that minorities make up a disproportionate share of arrests is true, that doesn't mean 'they' are disproportionately culpable. Committing crimes and being arrested for them are two very different things. Take a look at marijuana usage rates among white males and black males, then look at arrest rates. I'll give you a hint; one group gets locked up 3 to 5 times more often even though the two races smoke weed at roughly equal rates. As fun says, there's a million variables at play, but the point remains you can't take my line that '30% of americans are arrested before age 23' and write it off as black problem. And, lets face it, that's what you inferred Joe.

Bottom line, I don't think a DUI (or in reality driving without a license) is emblematic of a problem at UCONN. I do, however, think the fact that so many people are being arrested for drug use, is a huge problem. Eliminate drug arrests, and I hypothesize, the racial disparity in arrest rates would decrease significantly.
 
What's cracking me up is that this WAS a thread about a Tyler Olander, a caucasian male, and his run in with the law. Some of you can spin anything any which way.
 
Was wondering how there could be 20 new posts in this thread! :huh:
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Here I thought there was an update on his status, silly me.
 
There once was a Religion & Politic Section or some such name which Paul closed. A wise decision in my opinion.
This thread it would appear is creating more heat then light
 
Attack Joe's opinions all you like, but I'd prefer if you not silence him every time the conversation turns to politics or religion. He's not attacking anyone personally. If anything, those complaining should just recommend the debate be moved to a different thread in the Players' Lounge, or whatever we call the non-basketball forum. Then, you can choose not to click on it, or not.

Joe, as for your insinuation that arrests rates for minorities are significantly higher than that for whites; of course that's true. No-one with real information would deny that. But, as Fun pointed out, the study I mentioned didn't provide a demographic breakdown, it just showed that a large percentage of Americans are arrested before they turn 23. My contention stands that if every season a player on UCONN, or 5 on Florida's football team are arrested, that isn't statistically that far from par for the course in this country. UCONN might recruit "thugs", I don't know. But, I do know that the criminal records of college athletes are being magnified to a point of distortion, and in turn their names are being sullied unfairly.

I didn't take a head count, but I reasonably estimate that 1/4 of the guys I went to law school with had to get a certificate of disposition for a dwi, a pot charge, or a bar fight, when we were filling out bar applications. It was a pretty common thing. So I find it a little sanctimonious that grad schools accepted us, DA offices and Big Law were willing to hire us, but college athletes get vilified for the same offenses.

Also, while your contention that minorities make up a disproportionate share of arrests is true, that doesn't mean 'they' are disproportionately culpable. Committing crimes and being arrested for them are two very different things. Take a look at marijuana usage rates among white males and black males, then look at arrest rates. I'll give you a hint; one group gets locked up 3 to 5 times more often even though the two races smoke weed at roughly equal rates. As fun says, there's a million variables at play, but the point remains you can't take my line that '30% of americans are arrested before age 23' and write it off as black problem. And, lets face it, that's what you inferred Joe.

Bottom line, I don't think a DUI (or in reality driving without a license) is emblematic of a problem at UCONN. I do, however, think the fact that so many people are being arrested for drug use, is a huge problem. Eliminate drug arrests, and I hypothesize, the racial disparity in arrest rates would decrease significantly.
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I agree with much of what you said except, going back a few threads (silly me) I did not see anywhere where the young man said it was a "black" problem. I am pretty sure he inferred that the percentages are skewed for young males by the disproportionate number of minorities, both black and Latino, that are arrested from their socio-economic group. White males from that same group (some call them white trash) have extremely high arrest records also.
Regardless of the racial backgrounds of those arrested, the victims are usually from the same background in similar socio-economic settings.
One's color has nothing to do with potential criminal behavior and we all know that so this topic has been beaten to death.
 
I would love to have a discussion about this and I can cite some stats that would probably open some eyes, but (zips lips). Fun, correlation does not prove causation, however that does not mean there is no link. By your logic, nothing can ever be correlated or linked and we live in a totally random world where nothing is ever related to each other. There are these things called predictor variables i.e. growing up being raised by a single mother. That is one of the biggest predictors for criminality. By the way the socioeconomics as a predictor of criminality is beaten to death false. Immigrants came over here from Europe and worked their butts off, provided for their family, and were poor but never used it as an excuse to go murder or assault someone. If lower SES areas were so dangerous, then rural West Virginia, Alabama, Texas, North Dakota, etc. would all be flooded with criminals. The truth is, the crime is in the major cities, not in the rural areas where tons of poor people live. It's just the opposite in fact. Committing crime makes you poor (legal fees, bail money, losing jobs, etc). Being poor doesn't make you a criminal.

I appreciate the few of you brave enough to even back me a little. I'm not insulting anyone and I'm not calling anyone names. Notice I don't even cite race. Others put it in my mouth. What does that say about them?
 
Put aside race, I highly doubt that 30-40% of college educated males are arrested at least once before they turn 23. My assumption would be that that % goes much higher as the educational level gets lower.
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Leaving aside my disinterest in your doubts and assumptions, there are a thousand variables that would affect the outcome, none of which are directly correlative, which is one of the many reasons why the social sciences are to real science as social butterflies are to insects. Fewer churchgoers are arrested than non church goers. Children from two parent households are arrested less often than parents from one parent households. Drinkers are more likely to commit crimes than non drinkers. Virgins are less likely to commit crimes than non virgins. More brunettes are arrested than redheads. The employed are arrested less often than the unemployed. You can go on and on. When there are a million variables and you only see one of them and you only see the same one every time and correlate every event and occurrence to the same variable, that sort of monomania reveals something about the observer, not the event.
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Apparently you were interested enough to respond. Ha.
 
I would love to have a discussion about this and I can cite some stats that would probably open some eyes, but (zips lips). Fun, correlation does not prove causation, however that does not mean there is no link. By your logic, nothing can ever be correlated or linked and we live in a totally random world where nothing is ever related to each other. There are these things called predictor variables i.e. growing up being raised by a single mother. That is one of the biggest predictors for criminality. By the way the socioeconomics as a predictor of criminality is beaten to death false. Immigrants came over here from Europe and worked their butts off, provided for their family, and were poor but never used it as an excuse to go murder or assault someone. If lower SES areas were so dangerous, then rural West Virginia, Alabama, Texas, North Dakota, etc. would all be flooded with criminals. The truth is, the crime is in the major cities, not in the rural areas where tons of poor people live. It's just the opposite in fact. Committing crime makes you poor (legal fees, bail money, losing jobs, etc). Being poor doesn't make you a criminal.

I appreciate the few of you brave enough to even back me a little. I'm not insulting anyone and I'm not calling anyone names. Notice I don't even cite race. Others put it in my mouth. What does that say about them?
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So...uh...you're saying your not racist?
 
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