Two words for Mo Harkless...
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Class of 72
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No offense but your "insider" must be affiliated with Charlotte. LOL! We all know how well their draft picks are doing.
Funny thing is I know two real agents and neither see Moe going in the first round. Forget the top 10 lotto players (I won't bother to list them) but there are 4 foreign players that are projected for the 2nd round and all are thought of as better scorers than Moe.
Moe has decent numbers right now because he plays so much and he is only one of two scorers on the team but other than the Providence and Duke games he has not dominated his opponent or taken over a game like a true star does. If 2 or 3 great games makes a freshman a first round draft pick it would speak volumes to how far the league has been diluted.
Della9250
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It has more to do with Harkless' potential than what he has done. He's six foot eight and won't be 19 until right before the draft. The fact that he is averaging 16 and nine -- one of only three BE players to do that with the others being seniors -- in one of the toughest conferences only enhances him.
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Della, Moe has very good numbers for a freshman but let us also remember that he is in the top 10 in minutes played in the conference @35 minutes.
Also, he is not top 3 in scoring----D'Angelo is the SJ scoring leader and, except for defensive rebounds, D'Angelo leads in more categories and is the team's best scorer. As for drafting players on potential instead of their overall body of work would mean DH has just as much potential but neither he nor Moe are even close to being draft picks this year.
SCORING Cl GP FG 3FG FT Points Avg/G
1. JONES, Kevin-WVU SR 23 193 25 69 480 20.9
2. WAYNS, Maalik-VU JR 22 128 33 116 405 18.4
3. JOHNSON-ODOM, Darius-MU SR 23 136 52 90 414 18.0
MELVIN, Cleveland-DPU SO 22 155 11 75 396 18.0
5. LAMB, Jeremy-UCONN SO 22 137 48 66 388 17.6
6. BRYANT, Darryl-WVU SR 23 113 52 113 391 17.0
7. HARRISON, D'Angelo-STJ FR 23 109 54 111 383 16.7
8. GIBBS, Ashton-PITT SR 23 129 57 63 378 16.4
9. HARKLESS, Moe-STJ FR 23 146 15 66 373 16.2
10. COUNCIL, Vincent-PC JR 22 137 20 60 354 16.1
Della9250
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No, my point was that he is averaging 16 points and nine rebounds -- only Kevin Jones and Herb Pope are Big East players averaging that many points and rebounds.
I don't care how many minutes Harkless is playing. He is producing while he's out there. It's better than being projected as a draft pick yet hardly playing or not putting up numbers.
And Harrison certainly has potential to be an NBA player. His size is going to work against him though.
I don't care how many minutes Harkless is playing. He is producing while he's out there. It's better than being projected as a draft pick yet hardly playing or not putting up numbers.
And Harrison certainly has potential to be an NBA player. His size is going to work against him though.
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I love Moe's potential as much as you do but I am not impressed by numbers alone. In more than half the games he has played many of his points were either scored early and he disappeared or came at the end of losing efforts. He plays 35 minutes a game and except for 4 or 5 games this year he has not given 100% from tip off to whistle like Harrison does.
BTW, Harrison is a legit 6'3 and I see no issue with his size in the run and gun NBA game. There is an undrafted Harvard who's 6'3 that scored 25 points for the Knicks Saturday after the SJ/Cuse game. Tonight he started and scored 28 points. D already has what Moe lacks--and NBA attitude. Give him a couple of years and if he keeps his head straight he can be the next Jeremy L! LOL!
I believe your two "real agents" would kill for the opportunity to represent Moe. My source works for the league and collaborates with so called draft gurus on a regular basis. He has no agenda whatsoever and no reason to fib like scouts always do. He's also a relative so skip the stupid Charlotte references. Bottom line is that it's razor close on this one and totally up to Moe. If he wants to push things it can happen.
Class of 72
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You are too funny! LOL! FYI, an agent's agenda is to get a player drafted as high as possible for a lucrative contract and a lucrative fee. If the player is no better than the late second round there is no $$ guarantee which means no $$ for the agent unless he is interested in shopping his player around Europe.
But I am not doubting your NBA relative's league employment just wondering how an accountant in the payroll department has such "inside" information. LOL!
No, the agents motivation is to lock up a prospect and start milking dollars from him BEFORE some other snake-oil salesman steps in front of him with the kid.
UCLA lost TWO nowheere-near-ready kids to the draft. Neither went first round. But both signed guaranteed $3,000,000 contracts. And if the kids ARE ready after maturing a couple seaons, those agents, in addition to their decent paydays now, will have the potential for HUGE profits when "2nd contract" time rolls around.
If the let the kid stay and mature in college, there's every chance some other agent swoops in during that ensuing year.
Of course, this early stuff is all handled thru casual conversations with players aquaintances and distant relatives. None of these kids ever ACTUALLY has input from an angent before declaring
Pray4change
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Our unfortunate and tumultuous year will motivate Moe to leave even if he doesn't go in the 1st round.
I'am sure this ain't no fun. Everything is really messed up..
I'am sure this ain't no fun. Everything is really messed up..
I discussed the feedback on the board that Moe wouldn't go in the first two rounds and he laughed.and said he'd bet his life on it. So have your fun. I won't go into his qualifications but suffice it to say he's no accountant. If it was worth it I'd introduce you just to see the dumb look on your face but why bother?
You guys are all idiots, I know nobody but we all know the NBA drafts on potential not what they do in college or high school. What are reason was Eddy Curry drafted so high by Chicago? In my opinion, Mo is going to test the NBA draft and if he can get a guarentee of a first round pick he will leave. The difference between college basketball and college football is the bball players just want to go in the first round for the guarenteed money while players like Matt Barkley want to drafted number 1 overall and win national championships. We all know that college is a joke for D1 athletes. Sport Management is a made up major that colleges offer for athletes. If they lose Harkless next year, they are in big trouble. I hope I am wrong but I don't think Lavin is coming back, he knows this job is impossible to compete for championships against big state school who get the best players.
I don't believe the job is impossible at all. Lavin did a good, workmanlike job last year and the results were plain to see. He also made some mistakes which bit him in the ass. He wasn't able ti do the same kind of job this year and the results have suffered. I do believe Steve has to do a better job of showing that he's in this for the long haul. Instability just kills recruiting. Invisibility leads to impressions of instability. As I've said if he's been cleared to fly around and saunter through airports and hotels chasing recruits I can't see why he can't be seen in public while things are going south. I wouldn't be shocked if he packed it in either and that would leave SJU on the top of the horses ass heap.
Class of 72
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Well we see you are adjusting your phantom NBA friends expectations after the last three games Moe has played (or should I say played a little). You emphasized MIDDLE OF FIRST ROUND TO LATE. LOL! Only one "reporter", not a scout or agent, ventured to pick Moe in the 2nd round. Second round for Moe would be a career killer IMO.
If your friend saw a first round pick the last three games I am sticking with the accountant theory.
Yes, NBA teams will draft players based on potential alone .....in the second round. If you follow NBA ball you will see that 75% of the 30 teams are struggling to win. Take away the top 8 teams in the league and you have a diluted product paying players more than they are worth at very high ticket prices.....to pay the players' inflated salaries. Most teams with first round selections need help right away not three years from next year. I tell people I would love for Moe to be drafted in the first round because it would be based on his exceptional play as a freshman.....defensively, offensively, leadership and personality. Three of those qualities are totally unpolished as of February 8th. I hope I see double-doubles and him leading us to a couple of upsets....for his career's sake. In the last three games, he has faded and his stock has not improved one iota IMO.
beast of the east
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I think you should coach. Your posts too frequently display an inflated sense of knowledge. The man has CANCER and instead of bagging the entire season went out and is recruiting hard. His mistake is he was left with an incredibly unbalanced roster where everyone would leave after this year, and got off to a later start than his competitors in recruiting these kids. OF COURSE HE HAD TO TAKE RISKS. Ugghhh.. responding to your lunacy is a waste of type.
Sometimes you just have to trust - especially when it has to do with someone elses health. I believe some recruits are being cautious until they feel more secure about the health issue. Whenever that's settled we will still put together a great class that will keep us on track to our goal of winning a title.