The Big East looks BOGUS!

Shirley you can't be serious Fun. You know as well as I do that comparing GT to the greatest teams of all time, as Louie allegedly did, and emphatically declaring them "the greatest team of all time", as Sims said he did, are two completely differant things. My point was that I highly doubted that Louie declared them the greatest team of all time OVER the UCLA and Indiana teams.

I don't find the OP's unrefreshed recollection of what the Loo said 30 years ago too far off, and certainly not "completely different" but then I am generous of spirit, as is well known. Completely different to me would be if he recalled Loo saying GT was the greatest ever team ever, whereas Loo had said that they were a species of fish or a fine example of ancient Egyptian pottery. One of the greatest and the greatest being separated merely by the few other ones who are great also.

Speaking of parsing hyperbole I wondered briefly why you took "the man" as a reference to the other guy but then recalled how sensitive you (royal) all are to my little drolleries, japes and monkeyshines. It's a cross I bear as best I can. It being hours later I don't recall why I used that phrase exactly - ptm shirley is something Norman Chad says at the end of his column when somebody hits it - but my intent might have been to highlight the correlation between your mention of Indiana and UCLA and Loo's. That is, it might have been that you were the man. Think of the glory! We'll never know of course, me having said too much already and always facing the threat of the rabbit hole. So perhaps we might agree to having had an agreeable disagreement and speak of this no further. Or if you prefer a disagreeable agreement. In any event, schtum.
 
Shirley you can't be serious Fun. You know as well as I do that comparing GT to the greatest teams of all time, as Louie allegedly did, and emphatically declaring them "the greatest team of all time", as Sims said he did, are two completely differant things. My point was that I highly doubted that Louie declared them the greatest team of all time OVER the UCLA and Indiana teams.

I don't find the OP's unrefreshed recollection of what the Loo said 30 years ago too far off, and certainly not "completely different" but then I am generous of spirit, as is well known. Completely different to me would be if he recalled Loo saying GT was the greatest ever team ever, whereas Loo had said that they were a species of fish or a fine example of ancient Egyptian pottery. One of the greatest and the greatest being separated merely by the few other ones who are great also.

Speaking of parsing hyperbole I wondered briefly why you took "the man" as a reference to the other guy but then recalled how sensitive you (royal) all are to my little drolleries, japes and monkeyshines. It's a cross I bear as best I can. It being hours later I don't recall why I used that phrase exactly - ptm shirley is something Norman Chad says at the end of his column when somebody hits it - but my intent might have been to highlight the correlation between your mention of Indiana and UCLA and Loo's. That is, it might have been that you were the man. Think of the glory! We'll never know of course, me having said too much already and always facing the threat of the rabbit hole. So perhaps we might agree to having had an agreeable disagreement and speak of this no further. Or if you prefer a disagreeable agreement. In any event, schtum.

Sensitive? Me? I think not. I rather enjoy your slings. And there is no correlation between my mention of UCLA and Indiana and Lou's, whether you choose to believe that or not. Afterall, in the minds of many astute college basketball observers-Lou and I being two of them-its not a reach to call those 2 undefeated teams the 2 greatest of all time. I agree that we'll have agree to disagree, even though I'm not even sure that I agree on what we're agreeing to disagree on. Schtum.
 
No doubt that all of these upsets contributes to the fact that Match madness is the greatest sporting event on earth. The first round, for the mere fact that it pits favorites, often from storied programs, against teams that get are no thighly regarded, get little national coverage, makes the drama of their competitive spirit all the more compelling. There is not a fan anywhere that doesn't find themselves drawn to these games, rooting for the unheralded programs to secure the victory of a lifetime against the best teams in the nation. When they succeed, its a victory for all of us, it seems.

Going back to the 85 Final Four, even though I brought up the matchups that were cruel to SJU, the stark reality is all championship roads rightfully went through Georgetown. We failed. Villanova succeeded. The champsionship they earned was legitimate, whereby had we beaten Nova for our championship, we would have known that the best team that year was Georegtown. Nova earned the title by beating the best, by playing better than the best for 40 minutes.

I went home early from the Final Four, having been defeated by Gtown the way our boys were. Pity - missed the best final of all time.
 
Sensitive? Me? I think not. I rather enjoy your slings. And there is no correlation between my mention of UCLA and Indiana and Lou's, whether you choose to believe that or not. Afterall, in the minds of many astute college basketball observers-Lou and I being two of them-its not a reach to call those 2 undefeated teams the 2 greatest of all time. I agree that we'll have agree to disagree, even though I'm not even sure that I agree on what we're agreeing to disagree on. Schtum.

Are you sure you're not sensitive? By correlation I meant merely that both of you had cited the same teams as among the greats. I wasn't suggesting that you cribbed the teams from Loo, being independently unable to notice that Indiana's undefeated team lost no games or that UCLA's 80 game win streak comprised 80 wins in a row. I was remarking upon the correlation - synonyms: similarity, correspondence, matching - between the two lists. I was credting you with having achieved a degree of symbiosis with as keen a basketball mind as LC's.

I knew all along I was the victim of misunderstanding. I did not understand that I was so misunderstood that even my complaints about being misunderstood were misunderstood. Someone once said something like that once. He and I agree as well.
 
Not so much nonsense from Louie. The last time we played Niagara U. a few years ago, more than 25 years after beating us there when we were #1, dozens of people proudly sported buttons that read "I WAS THERE" along with the date in 1985 and the score. It was, and still is, a highlight in their history. I got hung up in the snow on the way to that '85 game and spent the night in a Bativia NY motel w/o TV or radio. I got the final score with a call to the NY Times at 1 AM in the morning. Happy 'I WASN'T THERE'.

I was there. PeopleExpress for probably $29 or so. At Columbia that year was almost a loss. And I was there in some sort of luxury box behind a basket.
 
The Georgetown loss was bad but otherwise?:

Atlantic Coast (2) -Duke, Miami
Atlantic Sun (1) - Florida Gulf Coast
Atlantic 10 (1) - La Salle
Big East (3) - Louisville, Marquette, Syracuse
Big Ten (4) - Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State
Big 12 (1) - Kansas
Missouri Valley (1) - Wichita State
Pacific-12 (2) - Arizona, Oregon
Southeastern (1) - Florida
 
Mark Jackson was a sophmore in the 84-85 team. As stated dozens of times over the years on a multitude of message boards, he should have played the majority of the minutes at point guard after starting in the second half of the 83-84 season. He went on to prove it in 85-86 by leading the nation in assists as a junior.

Moses (1) and Jackson (2) started together in the second half of the 83-84 season with Mullin moving to the 3 and going with our twin tower version of Allen (4) and Wennington (5) up front. Ron Stewart (4) and Willie Glass (3) were removed from the starting lineup.

And yes the other point has been well talked about here and in other places (Jackson over Moses).
 
The Georgetown loss was bad but otherwise?:

Atlantic Coast (2) -Duke, Miami
Atlantic Sun (1) - Florida Gulf Coast
Atlantic 10 (1) - La Salle
Big East (3) - Louisville, Marquette, Syracuse
Big Ten (4) - Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State
Big 12 (1) - Kansas
Missouri Valley (1) - Wichita State
Pacific-12 (2) - Arizona, Oregon
Southeastern (1) - Florida

Another way to look at it is what seeds are supposed to be there but aren't?

A10 - St Louis (4)
WCC - Gonzaga (1)
B12 - K St (4)
MWC - New Mexico (3)
G Town - BE (2)

And what teams are there despite their seeds:

Pac 12 - Oregon (12), AZ (6)
MVC - Wichita St (9)
A10 - LaSalle (13)
At Sun - FGC (15)

When you look it over things are going relatively to form (11 of top 16 through) everywhere but the west with the Pac 12 over performing and no one conference really under performing except on an individual team basis.
 
Not quite bogus 2 teams now in elite 8 with Louisville to follow; Sadly they will defeat one another and only one will go to the final four. NCAA committee set it up so
4 Big Ten teams could make it to the final four. This is unusual as normal policy towards the Big East from the committee is to have the teams meet each other prior to the final four in reaction to the 1985 Big East party. They do not want a repeat of that but this year they made it available for the Big Ten.??????
Thankfully that will not happen.
 
Not quite bogus 2 teams now in elite 8 with Louisville to follow; Sadly they will defeat one another and only one will go to the final four. NCAA committee set it up so
4 Big Ten teams could make it to the final four. This is unusual as normal policy towards the Big East from the committee is to have the teams meet each other prior to the final four in reaction to the 1985 Big East party. They do not want a repeat of that but this year they made it available for the Big Ten.??????
Thankfully that will not happen.

The committee gave the big east a chance for all 8 of them to advance to the elite eight before meeting each other. Can't blame the committee.
 
i just want at least one more big 10 team to lose before the final 4.....i love the fact that the big east is the only conference to put 3 teams in the same final 4 and we were part of that accomplishment.....don't ever want to see it replicated.....
 
Not so much nonsense from Louie. The last time we played Niagara U. a few years ago, more than 25 years after beating us there when we were #1, dozens of people proudly sported buttons that read "I WAS THERE" along with the date in 1985 and the score. It was, and still is, a highlight in their history. I got hung up in the snow on the way to that '85 game and spent the night in a Bativia NY motel w/o TV or radio. I got the final score with a call to the NY Times at 1 AM in the morning. Happy 'I WASN'T THERE'.

I was there. PeopleExpress for probably $29 or so. At Columbia that year was almost a loss. And I was there in some sort of luxury box behind a basket.

Was there also. Somewhere in either my parents or my attic, is a white t-shirt with with the name of the both teams and the final score in purple lettering. Funny thing is I don't know exactly where it came from.

Incidentally, that was Mike Moses sat out that game with if I recall correctly was tendinitis in one of his knees.
 
Not quite bogus 2 teams now in elite 8 with Louisville to follow; Sadly they will defeat one another and only one will go to the final four. NCAA committee set it up so
4 Big Ten teams could make it to the final four. This is unusual as normal policy towards the Big East from the committee is to have the teams meet each other prior to the final four in reaction to the 1985 Big East party. They do not want a repeat of that but this year they made it available for the Big Ten.??????
Thankfully that will not happen.

The Committee trys to set it up so that no team in the same conference meets before the regional finals. They also try to avoid any rematches of a regular season game before the sweet sixteen. There is no prohibition of trying to keep multiple teams from the same conference from making it to the final four at the same time. While no conference has had more than two teams in the final four in a year except the BE in 85, there have been several occassions since 85 of two teams from the same conference in the final four. As recently as 2009 Nova and UConn both the BE were in the final four.
 
Not quite bogus 2 teams now in elite 8 with Louisville to follow; Sadly they will defeat one another and only one will go to the final four. .

Actually there is only one Big East team in the Elite 8. The others you are thinking of are ACC teams.
 
Not quite bogus 2 teams now in elite 8 with Louisville to follow; Sadly they will defeat one another and only one will go to the final four. .

Actually there is only one Big East team in the Elite 8. The others you are thinking of are ACC teams.

If Louisville or Syracuse win it all, they'll be listed as champs from the BE in the record books.
 
Not quite bogus 2 teams now in elite 8 with Louisville to follow; Sadly they will defeat one another and only one will go to the final four. .

Actually there is only one Big East team in the Elite 8. The others you are thinking of are ACC teams.

There ARE 3 teams in the Elite 8 from the BE. It isn't next year yet and right now all 3 of those teams are currently in the BE. If Butler or Creighton won it all this year, we could not have said a BE team won the National Championship.
 
Not quite bogus 2 teams now in elite 8 with Louisville to follow; Sadly they will defeat one another and only one will go to the final four. .

Actually there is only one Big East team in the Elite 8. The others you are thinking of are ACC teams.

If Louisville or Syracuse win it all, they'll be listed as champs from the BE in the record books.

Hopefully, Syracuse will be cited with the 1000 violations they have been covering up for years now and be stripped of any tourney success. Heard MCW's NBA nickname will be sticky fingers.
 
Have to admit, Louisville looks pretty tough even with the injury to Ware. They were not derailed and went onto pummel Puke. Wow, I never realized how quick their guards were. Siva and Smith made Duke defenders look like they were standing still. Too bad they are leaving for the ACC, Rick will always have them competitive.
 
Not quite bogus 2 teams now in elite 8 with Louisville to follow; Sadly they will defeat one another and only one will go to the final four. .

Actually there is only one Big East team in the Elite 8. The others you are thinking of are ACC teams.

The truth hurts
 
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