The Big East looks BOGUS!

Mark Jackson was a sophmore in the 84-85 team. As stated dozens of times over the years on a multitude of message boards, he should have played the majority of the minutes at point guard after starting in the second half of the 83-84 season. He went on to prove it in 85-86 by leading the nation in assists as a junior.
 
UCLA beat by Minn. Will Howland be on the hot seat now, again? Meanwhile Kansas held on. and I look at the sidelines and I don't know but it bothers me to see Roberts. I know it should not bother me but I think back to posters here touting this guy as the up and comer. Then Fr. Harrington the person Looie states could size up someone in one meeting hires the guy. Turns out the home run could not coach or recruit and completely unbalanced the classes causing more damage that you can know. But he lands on his feet back with his rabbi. Some guys have all the luck.





http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2011/111/630/2011-111630830-083f6a13-9.pdf

Not to mention nearly $1 million in severance compensation from SJU. This was granted to a guy with absolutely zero marketability as a head coach at any point in his tenure here.
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Wow , good research. Talk about landing on your feet.
 
Notre Dame plays very well at home but on the road stinks. I, like most others, were not surprised about Villanova and Cincy losing tough games. I think if all goes well for our squad next next we'll be similar to Nova, and may be more successful in the Tourney depending on our matchup. G-town to me was the biggest surprise. I couldn't believe what I was watching. G-town defensively was one of the better teams, I thought, but the FGC dominated them...
 
GTOWN and SJU were no doubt the 2 best teams in college basketball that year in that order. SJU go screwed in the bracket placement. We should have played Memphis and Villanova should have played GTOWN in the semi's, instead we draw GTOWN in the semi's. SJU beatNova 3 times that year in the regular season. Villanova did not match up well with us at all. In my opinion, that GTown team would beat Villanova 9 out of 10 normally. In fact so would SJU. One has to put that Villanova championship into perspective, it was considered the biggest upset in NCAA basketball history. I believe that the GTOWN team was one of the best ever! The best team ever in my opinion was the 1976 Indiana team coached by Knight!
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We clobbered Nova three times that year. It wasn't even close. It's always about matchups, hot hands and, of course, the quality of the blow.
 
Thinking a bit more about how great G'Town was in the last half of the 20th century as compared to UCLA, the championship format has to be considered. UCLA was great and no one will ever match their accomplishment but remember, in 10 of UCLAs championships they had to play 4 games to win it all, not 6. Further, the 4 regionals were true regionals with UCLA often drawing a virtual bye with Pepperdine or Occidental in the first, and sometimes, second round. It wasn't until the late 70's that they went to 32 teams and 5 games to win. Frankly, it wasn't till the late 70's that the NCAA tourney was even televised.
More importantly, balancing the regionals didn't evolve till later than that. By the early 80's balancing the regionals had been just about achieved and everyone had a 6 game tough challenge to get to the finals. Under the current system, it could be safely argued that UCLA would not have won 10 and never 10 in a row. That would be equal to Florida Sun Coast beating G'Town 10 out of ten in a row.
I would never dishonor the greatness of UCLA and their coach in that time but it was a different game before the Big East grew up and some others came to pass..
 
LOU ALWAYS TALKED NONSENSE TO THE MEDIA....AFTER SJ LOST TO NIAGARA THAT YEAR,HE SAID THAT THE PURPLE EAGLES WOULD ALWAYS REMEMBER WIN......WHAT B.S......AGREE G-TOWN THUGS (MICHAEL GRAHAM ON MULLIN) USUALLY INTIMIDATED OPPONENTS...WENNINGTON WAS PSYCHED OUT BY EWING..ALSO,SJ LOST BY 7 TO "GREATEST"INDIANA TEAM AT MSG..THEN GOT CRUSHED IN NCAAS LATER ON.....ANOTHER CASE OF THE OPPONENTS COACH(BOBBY KNIGHT,JOHN THOMPSON) ADJUSTING,WHILE LOU FIGHTS WW2 WITH WW1 STRATEGY..
 
Wennington wasn't psyched out by Ewing. Ewing was just 100x more talented. Big Bill bot revenge in the NBA with all his championship rings.
 
Louie called the Georgetown team "the greatest team of all time"? I highly doubt that. Better than the Alcindor and Walton lead UCLA teams? Better than the perfect Indiana team? If you read that somewhere(guessing you're not old enough to have heard it back in 84-85) you had better check your sources. .
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I did as you suggested.

History, most astute basketball observers agree, will accord the Georgetown University team a place among the greatest college units of all time.

No less an expert than St. John's coach Lou Carnesecca made just that point after his Redmen had been pulverized here, 77-59, in the semifinals of the National Collegiate Athletic Association tournament.

''We've played them four times and lost three, which makes me a pretty good judge,'' he said. ''I would have to compare them to the great teams of San Francisco with Bill Russell, the great Kentucky teams of the past, the UCLA clubs and, of course, the undefeated Indiana team. "

The Christian Science Monitor
April 1, 1985, Monday
Page 32

Pay the man shirley.
 
Not so much nonsense from Louie. The last time we played Niagara U. a few years ago, more than 25 years after beating us there when we were #1, dozens of people proudly sported buttons that read "I WAS THERE" along with the date in 1985 and the score. It was, and still is, a highlight in their history. I got hung up in the snow on the way to that '85 game and spent the night in a Bativia NY motel w/o TV or radio. I got the final score with a call to the NY Times at 1 AM in the morning. Happy 'I WASN'T THERE'.
 
Creighton beats the X Cuse, great win or the new Big East. As I stated at the start of the thread, some of the better teams are certainly on their way in. Now Behive can go on saying how much the league will suffer due to their absence. Good riddance Jimmy B.
 
Creighton beats the X Cuse, great win or the new Big East. As I stated at the start of the thread, some of the better teams are certainly on their way in. Now Behive can go on saying how much the league will suffer due to their absence. Good riddance Jimmy B.
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Excuse this post. I am either losing my mind or maby it's the woman's tourney. No the Cuse has not played Creighton. Saw a flash of such on my computer screen. Yup it was the woman's team. Oh well, I think I need a drink.
 
Louie called the Georgetown team "the greatest team of all time"? I highly doubt that. Better than the Alcindor and Walton lead UCLA teams? Better than the perfect Indiana team? If you read that somewhere(guessing you're not old enough to have heard it back in 84-85) you had better check your sources. .
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I did as you suggested.

History, most astute basketball observers agree, will accord the Georgetown University team a place among the greatest college units of all time.



No less an expert than St. John's coach Lou Carnesecca made just that point after his Redmen had been pulverized here, 77-59, in the semifinals of the National Collegiate Athletic Association tournament.

''We've played them four times and lost three, which makes me a pretty good judge,'' he said. ''I would have to compare them to the great teams of San Francisco with Bill Russell, the great Kentucky teams of the past, the UCLA clubs and, of course, the undefeated Indiana team. "

The Christian Science Monitor
April 1, 1985, Monday
Page 32

Pay the man shirley.
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Shirley you can't be serious Fun. You know as well as I do that comparing GT to the greatest teams of all time, as Louie allegedly did, and emphatically declaring them "the greatest team of all time", as Sims said he did, are two completely differant things. My point was that I highly doubted that Louie declared them the greatest team of all time OVER the UCLA and Indiana teams.
 
Notre Dame plays very well at home but on the road stinks. I, like most others, were not surprised about Villanova and Cincy losing tough games. I think if all goes well for our squad next next we'll be similar to Nova, and may be more successful in the Tourney depending on our matchup. G-town to me was the biggest surprise. I couldn't believe what I was watching. G-town defensively was one of the better teams, I thought, but the FGC dominated them...
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FGC would have beaten anybody in the tournament last night.
That's why it's so tough to win it all.
One wicked opponent and you're done.
 
Notre Dame plays very well at home but on the road stinks. I, like most others, were not surprised about Villanova and Cincy losing tough games. I think if all goes well for our squad next next we'll be similar to Nova, and may be more successful in the Tourney depending on our matchup. G-town to me was the biggest surprise. I couldn't believe what I was watching. G-town defensively was one of the better teams, I thought, but the FGC dominated them...
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FGC would have beaten anybody in the tournament last night.
That's why it's so tough to win it all.
One wicked opponent and you're done.
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I was telling a friend last week, who was high on Gtown getting to the Final 4, they are so methodical on offense and don't score a lot. If they run into a hot shooting team, they can lose. That's just what happened. FGCU ran an excellent offense. They pushed the pace and executed some nice cuts. Guys were always moving.
 
Everyone on the board was saying this was an off year for the BE. So what? UCLA wins the Pac-12 , then goes out and loses first round game by 20. We knock the conference, burn down the school, or get really crazy and make fun of a great guy like CR. I think makin fun of CR a likely winner. A-10 best conference in the country. Temple made a bad move. They already had a home for their football team, and now must put up with all that travel for nothing. I think it was poison who built a case for the a-10 being better the BE. If so kudos to him. I hated doing that. Hay, wasn't there a year the big 10 lost just about all their first round games after getting almost everyone in. I hear this year they the best. One game, one year, big deal.
 
Louie called the Georgetown team "the greatest team of all time"? I highly doubt that. Better than the Alcindor and Walton lead UCLA teams? Better than the perfect Indiana team? If you read that somewhere(guessing you're not old enough to have heard it back in 84-85) you had better check your sources. .
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I did as you suggested.

History, most astute basketball observers agree, will accord the Georgetown University team a place among the greatest college units of all time.

No less an expert than St. John's coach Lou Carnesecca made just that point after his Redmen had been pulverized here, 77-59, in the semifinals of the National Collegiate Athletic Association tournament.

''We've played them four times and lost three, which makes me a pretty good judge,'' he said. ''I would have to compare them to the great teams of San Francisco with Bill Russell, the great Kentucky teams of the past, the UCLA clubs and, of course, the undefeated Indiana team. "

The Christian Science Monitor
April 1, 1985, Monday
Page 32

Pay the man shirley.
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PS You accidentally left out the 2nd part of the above post which you quoted me on. It read:
"Maybe one of the greatest ever or maybe the best team that year, which are both true IMO. Extremely well coached, relentless on D and with one of the best big men to ever play the game. The Ewing lead teams made it to 3 national championship games in 4 years. The loss to Villanova, who played a perfect game, does not detract from the fact that that GT team was ONE OF THE GREATEST TEAMS EVER."

Guess that makes me an astute basketball observer :).
 
Notre Dame plays very well at home but on the road stinks. I, like most others, were not surprised about Villanova and Cincy losing tough games. I think if all goes well for our squad next next we'll be similar to Nova, and may be more successful in the Tourney depending on our matchup. G-town to me was the biggest surprise. I couldn't believe what I was watching. G-town defensively was one of the better teams, I thought, but the FGC dominated them...
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FGC would have beaten anybody in the tournament last night.
That's why it's so tough to win it all.
One wicked opponent and you're done.
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I was telling a friend last week, who was high on Gtown getting to the Final 4, they are so methodical on offense and don't score a lot. If they run into a hot shooting team, they can lose. That's just what happened. FGCU ran an excellent offense. They pushed the pace and executed some nice cuts. Guys were always moving.
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I had them losing in the second round. They play low-scoring, rock'em, sock 'em games. I just felt that wouldn't hold up in the tournament. I never thought FGCU would beat them. But once FGCU got off to a good start in the second half, then I knew G'town was in serious trouble.
 
ND is a joke as they get blown away along with the rest of the Big East. Other leagues would be rejoicing but
teams are going everywhere, so they're joining leagues that normally would gloat. Fla, GC beating Gtown is a shock. That is the same FLa G C team that the gang that could not shoot straight beat. How do you figure that?
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DePaul beat G.town I think. Shoulda checked first. But it was known they had trouble scoring at times this year, and we all thought Gulf coast was good and would likely win their conference. Alot of this stuff can be turned any way you like. Conn. goes 9-9 in BE in a year they win National Championship. That BE musta been the greatest conference ever!!
 
It's kind of funny but with the poor performances of Cincinati and Notre Dame, two wins that coach claimed were statement wins for the "youngest team ever at St. Johns and the youngest team in America", our most impressive victory of the season may have been against Florida Golf Coast. Who would have thought that at the time? Kind of reminds me when Louie's ( whose St. john's ) team was not quite prepared for their meeting with Georgetown in the 1984 final four, who anointed Georgetown as the greatest college team of all time, and who subsequently lost to Villanova in the championship game.
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And last year we beat Lehigh with half a team, and they go out and beat Duke. It's sports. People say anything and do. Some guys make a ton of money talking sports, and they funny too. Ya think we hear from Jim B when all the charges are in. That might also be funny.
 
Bad matchup for Georgetown on a great night for FGCU. G'town shrinks the game and that really isn't a way to take advantage of an opponent you have a talent advantage over.

FWIW I think Harkless would have been the best player in this tournament if he stayed and his game is more setup to make an impact in a tournament like than Porter...and I really like Porter. Damn that hurts to think about!
 
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