The Big East looks BOGUS!

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With Marquette's near loss to Davidson, Georgetowns blow out loss to FGC ( ha ha ), Cinci s loss to Creighton, and Nova's loss to a mediocre Carolina team, looks like the only good teams in the Big East are the new ones who are coming in. Not to mention Wichita State beating a Pittsburg team that clobbered us but we shouldn't count Pitt, Louisville and Cuse as they are no longer with us. If the New Big East is smart, they will bring in St. Louis ASAP. A disappointing day for Big East hoops.
 
We should have waited longer to negotiate for the name.

And not counting Pitt, Syracuse, and Louisville is total BS and you know it. They just don't lend themselves to your argument.
 
We should have waited longer to negotiate for the name.

And not counting Pitt, Syracuse, and Louisville is total BS and you know it. They just don't lend themselves to your argument.

Well Pitt does.
 
With Marquette's near loss to Davidson, Georgetowns blow out loss to FGC ( ha ha ), Cinci s loss to Creighton, and Nova's loss to a mediocre Carolina team, looks like the only good teams in the Big East are the new ones who are coming in. Not to mention Wichita State beating a Pittsburg team that clobbered us but we shouldn't count Pitt, Louisville and Cuse as they are no longer with us. If the New Big East is smart, they will bring in St. Louis ASAP. A disappointing day for Big East hoops.

The Pitt and Gtown results were the only shockers. The other games were well played and game prep by excellent X&O coaches like Bob McKillop make watching the games enjoyable, regardless of outcome.
I was rooting for Nova and Jay Wright but UNC is not mediocre. They have 7 prep All-Americans and only lacked size this year.
If you do not want to count Pitt, Lville and Cuse then maybe you should count Creighton and Butler and also not count Cincy! LOL!
 
We should have waited longer to negotiate for the name.

And done what? asked for a discount based on NCAA tourney results?? LOL!
Do you realize how important it was to assume the Big East contract with MSG?
 
With Marquette's near loss to Davidson, Georgetowns blow out loss to FGC ( ha ha ), Cinci s loss to Creighton, and Nova's loss to a mediocre Carolina team, looks like the only good teams in the Big East are the new ones who are coming in. Not to mention Wichita State beating a Pittsburg team that clobbered us but we shouldn't count Pitt, Louisville and Cuse as they are no longer with us. If the New Big East is smart, they will bring in St. Louis ASAP. A disappointing day for Big East hoops.

The Pitt and Gtown results were the only shockers. The other games were well played and game prep by excellent X&O coaches like Bob McKillop make watching the games enjoyable, regardless of outcome.
I was rooting for Nova and Jay Wright but UNC is not mediocre. They have 7 prep All-Americans and only lacked size this year.
If you do not want to count Pitt, Lville and Cuse then maybe you should count Creighton and Butler and also not count Cincy! LOL!

If you read my post you will notice that I stated that the good teams are the ones coming in referring to Butler, Creighton and probably St. Louis. You don't think that Marquettes lucky win over Davidson was not a shocker from a team that finished tied for first in the ballyhooed Big East? But I will agree with you about Nova. They are just not that good and yes, Carolina was mediocre this year by their standards. What did they finish in the ACC this year, like 6th, not sure. Cinci was no surprise, they were bogus all season long, the most hyped team in the league. I am hoping we have a good showing at Virginia on Sunday.
 
With Marquette's near loss to Davidson, Georgetowns blow out loss to FGC ( ha ha ), Cinci s loss to Creighton, and Nova's loss to a mediocre Carolina team, looks like the only good teams in the Big East are the new ones who are coming in. Not to mention Wichita State beating a Pittsburg team that clobbered us but we shouldn't count Pitt, Louisville and Cuse as they are no longer with us. If the New Big East is smart, they will bring in St. Louis ASAP. A disappointing day for Big East hoops.

The Pitt and Gtown results were the only shockers. The other games were well played and game prep by excellent X&O coaches like Bob McKillop make watching the games enjoyable, regardless of outcome.
I was rooting for Nova and Jay Wright but UNC is not mediocre. They have 7 prep All-Americans and only lacked size this year.
If you do not want to count Pitt, Lville and Cuse then maybe you should count Creighton and Butler and also not count Cincy! LOL!

I don't think UNC is mediocre either. But I don't think they are far off from mediocre. They were able to beef up on a top-heavy ACC schedule. IMO, they were on par with Villanova, this season. I also think they'll lose by 10+ against Kansas. It's gonna be a partisan-Kansas crowd, as well.

UNC has loads of talent, but they seem to play soft and very, inconsistent defense.
 
With Marquette's near loss to Davidson, Georgetowns blow out loss to FGC ( ha ha ), Cinci s loss to Creighton, and Nova's loss to a mediocre Carolina team, looks like the only good teams in the Big East are the new ones who are coming in. Not to mention Wichita State beating a Pittsburg team that clobbered us but we shouldn't count Pitt, Louisville and Cuse as they are no longer with us. If the New Big East is smart, they will bring in St. Louis ASAP. A disappointing day for Big East hoops.

The Pitt and Gtown results were the only shockers. The other games were well played and game prep by excellent X&O coaches like Bob McKillop make watching the games enjoyable, regardless of outcome.
I was rooting for Nova and Jay Wright but UNC is not mediocre. They have 7 prep All-Americans and only lacked size this year.

ND having a tough time as well in the first half down by 12 at the half?
If you do not want to count Pitt, Lville and Cuse then maybe you should count Creighton and Butler and also not count Cincy! LOL!
 
this is a tough day for the old big east as well as the new big east. Our coaches know that what got them there doesn't play well in the NCAA. Not at all complaining about the refs, but it is a different ballgame in the tourney. The "no blood, no foul" rule no longer applies and kids are coached to play more carefully. Perhaps the new (original) Big East will take that into account as we move forward in 2013-14 and call the games a little tighter.
I have to admit that I was shocked and surprised today, but I am certain that people in Oklahoma and Kansas, to mention two, were surprised as well at a surprising lack of success today. That's what makes this game the best. We should buy Gonzaga an airplane and invite them to join us in the Original BE as well. Hey, they are near Boeing in Seattle; perhaps they can get sponsorship or frequent flyer points to offset the costs.
 
ND is a joke as they get blown away along with the rest of the Big East. Other leagues would be rejoicing but
teams are going everywhere, so they're joining leagues that normally would gloat. Fla, GC beating Gtown is a shock. That is the same FLa G C team that the gang that could not shoot straight beat. How do you figure that?
 
With Marquette's near loss to Davidson, Georgetowns blow out loss to FGC ( ha ha ), Cinci s loss to Creighton, and Nova's loss to a mediocre Carolina team, looks like the only good teams in the Big East are the new ones who are coming in. Not to mention Wichita State beating a Pittsburg team that clobbered us but we shouldn't count Pitt, Louisville and Cuse as they are no longer with us. If the New Big East is smart, they will bring in St. Louis ASAP. A disappointing day for Big East hoops.

The Pitt and Gtown results were the only shockers. The other games were well played and game prep by excellent X&O coaches like Bob McKillop make watching the games enjoyable, regardless of outcome.
I was rooting for Nova and Jay Wright but UNC is not mediocre. They have 7 prep All-Americans and only lacked size this year.
If you do not want to count Pitt, Lville and Cuse then maybe you should count Creighton and Butler and also not count Cincy! LOL!

I don't think UNC is mediocre either. But I don't think they are far off from mediocre. They were able to beef up on a top-heavy ACC schedule. IMO, they were on par with Villanova, this season. I also think they'll lose by 10+ against Kansas. It's gonna be a partisan-Kansas crowd, as well.

UNC has loads of talent, but they seem to play soft and very, inconsistent defense.

I find it amusing that a UNC team that has won 25 games this year can be considered mediocre. LOL!
However, I do agree the ACC was soft this year. Along with their 7 prep AA's they signed 3 more top 100 players for 2013. Next year I would not want to play them or Kentucky.
Unless we sign a quality guard for next year, we are the ones that may be headed to mediocrity. In the NCAA tourney games, it has been cerebral guards that have been lifting their teams.
 
UCLA beat by Minn. Will Howland be on the hot seat now, again? Meanwhile Kansas held on. and I look at the sidelines and I don't know but it bothers me to see Roberts. I know it should not bother me but I think back to posters here touting this guy as the up and comer. Then Fr. Harrington the person Looie states could size up someone in one meeting hires the guy. Turns out the home run could not coach or recruit and completely unbalanced the classes causing more damage that you can know. But he lands on his feet back with his rabbi. Some guys have all the luck.
 
It's kind of funny but with the poor performances of Cincinati and Notre Dame, two wins that coach claimed were statement wins for the "youngest team ever at St. Johns and the youngest team in America", our most impressive victory of the season may have been against Florida Golf Coast. Who would have thought that at the time? Kind of reminds me when Louie's ( whose St. john's ) team was not quite prepared for their meeting with Georgetown in the 1984 final four, who anointed Georgetown as the greatest college team of all time, and who subsequently lost to Villanova in the championship game.
 
It's kind of funny but with the poor performances of Cincinati and Notre Dame, two wins that coach claimed were statement wins for the "youngest team ever at St. Johns and the youngest team in America", our most impressive victory of the season may have been against Florida Golf Coast. Who would have thought that at the time? Kind of reminds me when Louie's ( whose St. john's ) team was not quite prepared for their meeting with Georgetown in the 1984 final four, who anointed Georgetown as the greatest college team of all time, and who subsequently lost to Villanova in the championship game.

Louie called the Georgetown team "the greatest team of all time"? I highly doubt that. Better than the Alcindor and Walton lead UCLA teams? Better than the perfect Indiana team? If you read that somewhere(guessing you're not old enough to have heard it back in 84-85) you had better check your sources. Maybe one of the greatest ever or maybe the best team that year, which are both true IMO. Extremely well coached, relentless on D and with one of the best big men to ever play the game. The Ewing lead teams made it to 3 national championship games in 4 years. The loss to Villanova, who played a perfect game, does not detract from the fact that that GT team was one of the greatest ever. In 84-85, we had more talent, but they were the better team. As much as I hate to admit that.
 
With Marquette's near loss to Davidson, Georgetowns blow out loss to FGC ( ha ha ), Cinci s loss to Creighton, and Nova's loss to a mediocre Carolina team, looks like the only good teams in the Big East are the new ones who are coming in. Not to mention Wichita State beating a Pittsburg team that clobbered us but we shouldn't count Pitt, Louisville and Cuse as they are no longer with us. If the New Big East is smart, they will bring in St. Louis ASAP. A disappointing day for Big East hoops.

The Pitt and Gtown results were the only shockers. The other games were well played and game prep by excellent X&O coaches like Bob McKillop make watching the games enjoyable, regardless of outcome.
I was rooting for Nova and Jay Wright but UNC is not mediocre. They have 7 prep All-Americans and only lacked size this year.
If you do not want to count Pitt, Lville and Cuse then maybe you should count Creighton and Butler and also not count Cincy! LOL!

I don't think UNC is mediocre either. But I don't think they are far off from mediocre. They were able to beef up on a top-heavy ACC schedule. IMO, they were on par with Villanova, this season. I also think they'll lose by 10+ against Kansas. It's gonna be a partisan-Kansas crowd, as well.

UNC has loads of talent, but they seem to play soft and very, inconsistent defense.

I find it amusing that a UNC team that has won 25 games this year can be considered mediocre. LOL!
However, I do agree the ACC was soft this year. Along with their 7 prep AA's they signed 3 more top 100 players for 2013. Next year I would not want to play them or Kentucky.
Unless we sign a quality guard for next year, we are the ones that may be headed to mediocrity. In the NCAA tourney games, it has been cerebral guards that have been lifting their teams.

Agree that the teams that advance far in the tourney are almost always lead by a solid, if not spectacular, point guard. I like Branch, but no longer believe him to be the answer at the PG spot. I don't care who we have up front, IMO we will continue to look like a rudderless ship if we do not get someone who can run the team.
 
It's kind of funny but with the poor performances of Cincinati and Notre Dame, two wins that coach claimed were statement wins for the "youngest team ever at St. Johns and the youngest team in America", our most impressive victory of the season may have been against Florida Golf Coast. Who would have thought that at the time? Kind of reminds me when Louie's ( whose St. john's ) team was not quite prepared for their meeting with Georgetown in the 1984 final four, who anointed Georgetown as the greatest college team of all time, and who subsequently lost to Villanova in the championship game.

There are no dominant teams in NCAA BB this season, and the gap between mid majors and big conference play has never been narrower. Our season still stands as what it is, a team that isn't quite there yet. You could replay many of these first round games, and get a different outcome.

Looie's (not Louie's) 1985 (not 1984) Final Four loss to Georgetown had nothing to do with preparation. Georgetown, after the early season loss to SJU in Landover, made the appropriate adjustments. They dogged Berry and Mullin, and dared anyone else to beat them. We couldn't, because Wennington, who always played reasonably well against Ewing, wasn't enough. Because Moses was merely adequate and not great. Because Willie Glass couldn't step up enough. BEcause Shelton Jones and Mark Jackson weren't quite ready to be impact players as freshmen. I'm convinced we could have replayed Gtown ten more times, and probably lost 9 games. The best possible outcome would have been for St. John's to have drawn Memphis St. in the first Final Four game, and have Nova knock off G'town with that performance. We handled Nova quite well that season. Woulda, coulda, shoulda - it all doesn't matter.

Villanova quite amazingly, played perhaps the greatest game in NCAA finals history, shooting something like 70% from the field. Still the game was somewhat close, a testament to Georgetown's greatness. Villanova matched up extremely well with Georgetown, always played them well in any case. The greatest part of that game was watching Georgetown players melt down at the end, committing cheap shot fouls, and exiting classless. The memorable thug foul was a Georgetown player pulling a Nova player by the hips down on top of him to attempt to draw an offensive foul, and as the Nova player fell, tried to knee him in the groin.

As much as I still dislike Georgetown, never wamred to Ewing with good reason, those John Thompson teams were great, among the best ever, and perhaps the best defensive team ever. When they swarmed to open the second half, the best teams in the country crumbled.
 
GTOWN and SJU were no doubt the 2 best teams in college basketball that year in that order. SJU go screwed in the bracket placement. We should have played Memphis and Villanova should have played GTOWN in the semi's, instead we draw GTOWN in the semi's. SJU beatNova 3 times that year in the regular season. Villanova did not match up well with us at all. In my opinion, that GTown team would beat Villanova 9 out of 10 normally. In fact so would SJU. One has to put that Villanova championship into perspective, it was considered the biggest upset in NCAA basketball history. I believe that the GTOWN team was one of the best ever! The best team ever in my opinion was the 1976 Indiana team coached by Knight!
 
After the '85 game in Lexington, Ron Ruttledge, not Coach Carnesecca, was quoted saying that we just had the bad luck of running into "the best team of the century" in the semi finals. Frankly, most of the people who went to the game or who watched the game on tv pretty much agreed with the statement. I did. To a great extent, I still do. IMO G'town always played a tougher schedule than the UCLA teams of that earlier era.
Yes, the Big East looked "Bogus'" yesterday but there always is next year; I love this game!
 
After the '85 game in Lexington, Ron Ruttledge, not Coach Carnesecca, was quoted saying that we just had the bad luck of running into "the best team of the century" in the semi finals. Frankly, most of the people who went to the game or who watched the game on tv pretty much agreed with the statement. I did. To a great extent, I still do. IMO G'town always played a tougher schedule than the UCLA teams of that earlier era.
Yes, the Big East looked "Bogus'" yesterday but there always is next year; I love this game!
 
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