STJ vs. SJU

I can't believe you're being serious but if you are, St Joseph University of Philadelphia is a 160 year old school that plays in the Atlantic 10 conference and is ranked 189 on Forbes list.

St Johns of MN (#217) has been the primary other St Johns for a while but read something abut St Johns of MD (#215) recently too. Can't recall where.
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St Johns in MD is actually one of the older schools in the US. Most of these older schools originally had a religious affiliation for example Harvard was Baptist. I may be mistaken but I think SJ(MD) was originally run by the Anglican Church and called something like Kings College. Ironically it is now a secular school with no religious affiliation

Outside of the Northeast and Northeast South (Florida), people recognize St John's University in NY but largely don't know any other schools in the NY area other than Columbia, NYU and Syracuse. People have heard of Cornell but a lot of them couldn't tell you where it was located and a lot of people don't know exactly where Syracuse is... The only people I've met familiar with the other St John's are academics that have heard of their Great Books program. And then some people from MN that know the other, other St Johns.

St Joes may be old and a fine school, but same applies. Doesn't have a well known brand outside of the local market. Fordham, Hofstra...etc same. Nothing wrong with just not shocking that someone for someone outside of Philadelphia to not be familiar with St Joes.
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First, if you honestly believe that St Johns has a national profile close to Cornell or Syracuse I'll have some of what you're smoking, and pretty soon we may be able to buy it legally! ;)

Second, we're on a college basketball message board primarily focusing on the east. St Joesph's is a pretty well known basketball school and since we're supposedly fans of Northeast basketball, and talk about A10 basketball quite a bit, I find it funny that someone wouldn't know St Joes. They also of course are part of the Big 5 in Philadelphia which might have been discussed more than a few dozen times on the board, especially by some of our more Nova-Centric posters. I forget that there are some folks on the board who are young enough to not remember the team that finished the regular season undefeated and played in the elite 8 in 2004 (I assume the OP would have been about 13 back then). I also forget that there are some folks who are really just St Johns fans and not necessarily college hoops fans here as well. My apologies.
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Too bad I can't smoke but what I said (not what you said) about Syracuse and Cornell is 100% true. People know Syracuse from hoops and football on TV but a lot of people outside of northeast have only a vague idea of where it is. Cornell not even close.

Big 5 is even less relevant if you are under 40 and outside of Philadelphia. When was the last time you heard the term even?
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True, Ithaca ain't NYC but at least most people have heard of the school. No one out here has even heard of St Johns unless they remember the sweater game against John Thompson. More than 30 years ago so for most that's not even a distant memory, especially if they're not hoops fans. And with regards to Syracuse, yes they do play hoops and football (poorly) but what most folks know them for nationally is that they produce lots of sportscasters.

But the point is WE are hoops fans. If you don't know what the Big 5 is you're not a hoops fan.
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And the Carrier Dome and 25,000 - 30,000 people.
 
St. John's MN has or had a legendary football coach and a great lower tier program.

St. John's MD and NM a bit of an alternative type liberal arts college.

There are even other St. John's colleges out there too; maybe one in the northwest?

St. Joseph's name is used in a number of colleges too, including a small one in downtown Bklyn that used to be just for women.
 
St. John's MN has or had a legendary football coach and a great lower tier program.

St. John's MD and NM a bit of an alternative type liberal arts college.

There are even other St. John's colleges out there too; maybe one in the northwest?

St. Joseph's name is used in a number of colleges too, including a small one in downtown Bklyn that used to be just for women.
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I know St. Joe's in Brooklyn well. It's in Clinton Hill. I went to the now closed St. Angela Hall elementary school right across the street. There was a girl's high school attached, which always made going to school enjoyable. Especially in the warm weather when the high school girl's would sit out in the school yard and sun themselves. All three schools run by the good Sister's of St. Joseph. One of the more progressive(I hate using that word) orders of nuns around. In fact, I think they may have been the first order of nuns to go from the wearing the old habits to the newer ones which were less cumbersome and included skirts. When the elementary and High Schools closed, the college bought the buildings for the college. I think those buildings are now called "St. Angela Hall at St. Joseph's College". Some of the most beautiful old buildings that you'll ever see.
 
St. John's MN has or had a legendary football coach and a great lower tier program.

St. John's MD and NM a bit of an alternative type liberal arts college.

There are even other St. John's colleges out there too; maybe one in the northwest?

St. Joseph's name is used in a number of colleges too, including a small one in downtown Bklyn that used to be just for women.
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I know St. Joe's in Brooklyn well. It's in Clinton Hill. I went to the now closed St. Angela Hall elementary school right across the street. There was a girl's high school attached, which always made going to school enjoyable. Especially in the warm weather when the high school girl's would sit out in the school yard and sun themselves. All three schools run by the good Sister's of St. Joseph. One of the more progressive(I hate using that word) orders of nuns around. In fact, I think they may have been the first order of nuns to go from the wearing the old habits to the newer ones which were less cumbersome and included skirts. When the elementary and High Schools closed, the college bought the buildings for the college. I think those buildings are now called "St. Angela Hall at St. Joseph's College". Some of the most beautiful old buildings that you'll ever see.
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I experienced the Sisters of St. Joseph in elementary school, and while some were amazing at keeping order and teaching, with fifty kids in each class, others beat the boys like animals. As long as it wasn't you on the receiving end, it made for great entertainment and memories.
 
St. John's MN has or had a legendary football coach and a great lower tier program.

St. John's MD and NM a bit of an alternative type liberal arts college.

There are even other St. John's colleges out there too; maybe one in the northwest?

St. Joseph's name is used in a number of colleges too, including a small one in downtown Bklyn that used to be just for women.
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I know St. Joe's in Brooklyn well. It's in Clinton Hill. I went to the now closed St. Angela Hall elementary school right across the street. There was a girl's high school attached, which always made going to school enjoyable. Especially in the warm weather when the high school girl's would sit out in the school yard and sun themselves. All three schools run by the good Sister's of St. Joseph. One of the more progressive(I hate using that word) orders of nuns around. In fact, I think they may have been the first order of nuns to go from the wearing the old habits to the newer ones which were less cumbersome and included skirts. When the elementary and High Schools closed, the college bought the buildings for the college. I think those buildings are now called "St. Angela Hall at St. Joseph's College". Some of the most beautiful old buildings that you'll ever see.
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I experienced the Sisters of St. Joseph in elementary school, and while some were amazing at keeping order and teaching, with fifty kids in each class, others beat the boys like animals. As long as it wasn't you on the receiving end, it made for great entertainment and memories.
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BEating kids senseless and keeping order in a classroom of 50 are not mutually exclusive. I've heard tales of such about sisters of st. joe's, and someone some of those very same nuns are beloved by former students.

On the subject of the sister's of st. joe's, they are a dirt poor order, with nuns approaching 90 or more still working in schools and living at or below the povertty line. Many that drive as a necessity drive 20+ year old cars, and live extremely frugally. Writing a donation check their way would help tremendously. They are in Brentwood.
 
I went to both public and Catholic schools. I always hear the nun stories but I never saw nuns even close to hitting a kid even when I was in a Catholic boys' home (for troublemaker boys...) In the 1970s public schools still spanked kids and I can't remember ever hearing about that. Very different time/mentality. In 3rd grade my principal was legendary for a big wooden paddle that hung on his wall and he used several times during the school year. I witnessed him grab my two best friends by the hair and drag them about 200 yards to his office where they both got the paddle. (the sad/funny part is that I started the whole thing that got them in trouble and got off scott-free perhaps only because he had only two hands to yank little heads with - see "troublemaker") He was then later promoted to Superintendent of Schools for his awesome efforts at brutalizing little kids and he'd bring his paddle with him like an old West traveling judge, to different schools and dole out justice...
 
I went to a public junior high schoo in Queens, and we had a social studies teacher that would hit the boys on the ass with a ruler when we got too unruly. Funniest thing is I saw him in the library at SJU when I was a sophomore. I said hello without flinching.
 
Back in the 80s in grade school I went to St Clares on SI. Every Wednesday we would have to recite some prayer in front of Fr Hicks who sounded like Darth Vader. If you even wavered, he would grab you by the ear and make you get down on your knees. Next would be the ruler to the knuckles. Only the boys. I remember kids wetting the floor with him. Sister Jean Marie use to lock you in a closet if you were caught fooling around.
 
Monte

I grew up in Brooklyn and know all the different neighborhoods well from my part time job during high school and all of college delivering flowers, so I know Clinton Hill well. In the early to late 1970's that area was very rough. I think it has come back a long way since then like other areas, Ft. Green, Williamsburg, Bushwick.

Brooklyn is cooler than Manhattan to many people.

The good Sister's of St. Joseph, not as big on being disciplinarians as my nuns, the Sisters of (Show No) Mercy!
 
After 17 years of Catholic schools, in looking back, no one didn't get exactly what they deserved...
 
Since we're on the subject of the benefits of a good Catholic education, I had 12 years of it. There were 8 years under the Good Sisters of Saint Catherine of Alexandria and 4 with the good Franciscan Brothers

The nuns, ( in the 50's and 60's ) always knew the tricks of how to instill discipline. They knew that hitting your hand with the ruler as it was laying on the desk hurt a hell of a lot more that if it was lifted off the desk. And they proved that daily. They were vicious. They slapped a friend of mine on his face causing red welts. His mother went to see the offending nun and she was suspended. Today, a law suit .

The Franciscan Brothers were heavy hitters also. One in particular would hit you in the center of your chest with his closed fist. Talk about your heart skipping a beat. It would take a good 30 seconds to recover and catch your next breath. I guess they figured you were older and bigger and could take it.

But these were the exceptions. In general both the nuns and Friars were good people and left me with many memories.
 
If there is a hell, my mom is pretty certain that it's full of the nuns from her grammar and high schools.

It was the psychological abuse that hurt more. My mom was poor. And the good sisters often reminded the class of that.
 
If there is a hell, my mom is pretty certain that it's full of the nuns from her grammar and high schools.
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“The road to Hell is paved with the bones of erring priests and monks, and the skulls of bishops are the lamp posts that light the path.”

St. John Chrysostom (attributed)
 
St. John's MN has or had a legendary football coach and a great lower tier program.

St. John's MD and NM a bit of an alternative type liberal arts college.

There are even other St. John's colleges out there too; maybe one in the northwest?

St. Joseph's name is used in a number of colleges too, including a small one in downtown Bklyn that used to be just for women.
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I know St. Joe's in Brooklyn well. It's in Clinton Hill. I went to the now closed St. Angela Hall elementary school right across the street. There was a girl's high school attached, which always made going to school enjoyable. Especially in the warm weather when the high school girl's would sit out in the school yard and sun themselves. All three schools run by the good Sister's of St. Joseph. One of the more progressive(I hate using that word) orders of nuns around. In fact, I think they may have been the first order of nuns to go from the wearing the old habits to the newer ones which were less cumbersome and included skirts. When the elementary and High Schools closed, the college bought the buildings for the college. I think those buildings are now called "St. Angela Hall at St. Joseph's College". Some of the most beautiful old buildings that you'll ever see.
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I experienced the Sisters of St. Joseph in elementary school, and while some were amazing at keeping order and teaching, with fifty kids in each class, others beat the boys like animals. As long as it wasn't you on the receiving end, it made for great entertainment and memories.
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I helped provide the entertainment and the memories
 
Monte

I grew up in Brooklyn and know all the different neighborhoods well from my part time job during high school and all of college delivering flowers, so I know Clinton Hill well. In the early to late 1970's that area was very rough. I think it has come back a long way since then like other areas, Ft. Green, Williamsburg, Bushwick.

Brooklyn is cooler than Manhattan to many people.

The good Sister's of St. Joseph, not as big on being disciplinarians as my nuns, the Sisters of (Show No) Mercy!
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I went to elementary school from 64'-72'. When I was old enough(late 60's) I'd take the bus from Bushwick, where I grew up, down DeKalb Ave to school. I'd make the return trip home on the Lafayette Ave bus. Morning's were fine since I got on the bus right across the street from my house on DeKalb and Wilson. Afternoons, OTOH, were oftentimes an adventure as I waited on Lafayette and Washington. Boy have times changed.
 
Growing up in Maspeth, Queens I attended St. Stanislaw Elementary. I can't think of a decent St.Joseph nun in my 8 years there. They were old and frustrated, disliking boys and favoring females. Can't ever forget the day my eight grade teacher, Sister Albertina a 6' 2' monster, was asking each row catechism questions. After questioning seven rows she tells my last row if we don't answer correctly she will whack the hell out of us. Here I was prepared but shi...... in my pants .All these nuns should have been put out to pasture. Recently I received a request for donations to the St.Joseph's Retirement Fund. I'll leave it to you to figure how much I sent them. Thank God for the Marist Brothers in high school.
Another unbelievable story while I'm at it. My seventh grade weird teacher, Sister Stephanis would hold Variety Shows on Friday. As she called on one of my friends to be emcee I got his attention telling him I would give him five comic books not to have me perform in front of the class. Everything was going fine until he calls on Frank, a slow, quiet kid sitting in front of me. As expected Frank stands silently. Dumb Sister S.tells me to help Frank, so I start singing, Take me out to the ball game ....and of course Frank remains silent. Now dumb ass comes to me and insist I sing Oh Beautiful ........pinching my cheek and slapping my face after every word. To top this idiot's mentality she informs me I would not receive any hard Christmas candy at the after school Christmas party. And you wonder why I didn't donate?..
 
Monte

I grew up in Brooklyn and know all the different neighborhoods well from my part time job during high school and all of college delivering flowers, so I know Clinton Hill well. In the early to late 1970's that area was very rough. I think it has come back a long way since then like other areas, Ft. Green, Williamsburg, Bushwick.

Brooklyn is cooler than Manhattan to many people.

The good Sister's of St. Joseph, not as big on being disciplinarians as my nuns, the Sisters of (Show No) Mercy!
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I went to elementary school from 64'-72'. When I was old enough(late 60's) I'd take the bus from Bushwick, where I grew up, down DeKalb Ave to school. I'd make the return trip home on the Lafayette Ave bus. Morning's were fine since I got on the bus right across the street from my house on DeKalb and Wilson. Afternoons, OTOH, were oftentimes an adventure as I waited on Lafayette and Washington. Boy have times changed.
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And worse for those of us who took the subway. We were trapped. And many times stalled in the tunnel with no lights or air, And someone hanging over you to try and reach a strap. At least you could get off the bus and run :lol:
 
The abuse in this thread is serious. At St. Francis Prep, the worst thing I saw was a professor throw a book at a student.
 
I have to say this, unlike so many others I had few bad experiences with the Sister's of St. Joe(elementary school), the Jesuit's(High School) and the Marist Bros(summer camp). And rest assured I was a handful for all of them. Sure I got the occasional whack in the back of the head for screwing around in class, etc, but it didn't phase me. I was more worried that my parents would be called, which they rarely were. No emotional scares, no bitterness, no bad memories. Not condoning their behavior, but that's how things were handled back then and I rolled with it.
 
Monte

I grew up in Brooklyn and know all the different neighborhoods well from my part time job during high school and all of college delivering flowers, so I know Clinton Hill well. In the early to late 1970's that area was very rough. I think it has come back a long way since then like other areas, Ft. Green, Williamsburg, Bushwick.

Brooklyn is cooler than Manhattan to many people.

The good Sister's of St. Joseph, not as big on being disciplinarians as my nuns, the Sisters of (Show No) Mercy!
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I went to elementary school from 64'-72'. When I was old enough(late 60's) I'd take the bus from Bushwick, where I grew up, down DeKalb Ave to school. I'd make the return trip home on the Lafayette Ave bus. Morning's were fine since I got on the bus right across the street from my house on DeKalb and Wilson. Afternoons, OTOH, were oftentimes an adventure as I waited on Lafayette and Washington. Boy have times changed.
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And worse for those of us who took the subway. We were trapped. And many times stalled in the tunnel with no lights or air, And someone hanging over you to try and reach a strap. At least you could get off the bus and run :lol:
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I could run, but I couldn't hide lol
 
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