STJ vs. SJU

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Forgive me if this came up before, but it galls me that we have to go with STJ and St. Joseph's University which I have nothing against gets to use SJU.

Let's face it, except for the Philly area and environs, nationally St. John's University has much bigger name recognition. Big East, NYC, more history and tradition, much larger student body and thus larger Alumni pool. More notable Alums.

Anyway, someone in the STJ marketing/legal department was asleep at the switch and didn't file their trademark papers.

STJ just doesn't say St. John's to me.

Again, apologize if this is a re-tread topic. It is a slow time of the year.

Wondering if anyone agrees with me that it was a shame to lose SJU to a St. Joe's.
 
Forgive me if this came up before, but it galls me that we have to go with STJ and St. Joseph's University which I have nothing against gets to use SJU.

Let's face it, except for the Philly area and environs, nationally St. John's University has much bigger name recognition. Big East, NYC, more history and tradition, much larger student body and thus larger Alumni pool. More notable Alums.

Anyway, someone in the STJ marketing/legal department was asleep at the switch and didn't file their trademark papers.

STJ just doesn't say St. John's to me.

Again, apologize if this is a re-tread topic. It is a slow time of the year.

Wondering if anyone agrees with me that it was a shame to lose SJU to a St. Joe's.
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I think it had to do with internet domain registration. This has happened to a ton of organizations and corporations. So if my company was named Delta taxi, and I had registered Delta.com first, Delta airlines would have to buy that name from me. Nearly all larger organizations did this rather than wage legal battles, which they probably would have lost. St. Joe's got their first, and St. John's, rather than fork over a considerable sum to acquire the right, instead re-branded.

I would imagine that St. Joe's gets hits on their websites from folks looking for St. John's, which can't hurt them.
 
Yeah, in the old days we paid a bucket load for Australia.com. 1-800-Downunder was a fair bit cheaper. :)
 
Yeah, in the old days we paid a bucket load for Australia.com. 1-800-Downunder was a fair bit cheaper. :)
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I don't believe American Airlines did the same thing as Delta, and instead is aa.com

St. John's thinking was that the internet thing was a fad that may not catch on.
 
I don't know what St.Joe is, but there's another St. John's in Maryland that's becoming pretty popular.

:lol: eventually we'll have to be like Howard and Hampton, and wear shirts that say the "real SJU".
 
I can't believe you're being serious but if you are, St Joseph University of Philadelphia is a 160 year old school that plays in the Atlantic 10 conference and is ranked 189 on Forbes list.

St Johns of MN (#217) has been the primary other St Johns for a while but read something abut St Johns of MD (#215) recently too. Can't recall where.
 
St. John's College (Maryland) was founded in the late 17th Century

Average SAT score under "old" format is a bit over 1300/1800 (Reading and Math)

Very well thought of Liberal Arts College
 
I can't believe you're being serious but if you are, St Joseph University of Philadelphia is a 160 year old school that plays in the Atlantic 10 conference and is ranked 189 on Forbes list.

St Johns of MN (#217) has been the primary other St Johns for a while but read something abut St Johns of MD (#215) recently too. Can't recall where.
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Dude, I've said this before on this site. I'm not a New Yorker, I moved up here from N.C for some high school years and college. Pardon me for not being familiar with the Northeast college landscape. St.Joseph's isn't known out here in Willamston.
 
I can't believe you're being serious but if you are, St Joseph University of Philadelphia is a 160 year old school that plays in the Atlantic 10 conference and is ranked 189 on Forbes list.

St Johns of MN (#217) has been the primary other St Johns for a while but read something abut St Johns of MD (#215) recently too. Can't recall where.
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St Johns in MD is actually one of the older schools in the US. Most of these older schools originally had a religious affiliation for example Harvard was Baptist. I may be mistaken but I think SJ(MD) was originally run by the Anglican Church and called something like Kings College. Ironically it is now a secular school with no religious affiliation

Outside of the Northeast and Northeast South (Florida), people recognize St John's University in NY but largely don't know any other schools in the NY area other than Columbia, NYU and Syracuse. People have heard of Cornell but a lot of them couldn't tell you where it was located and a lot of people don't know exactly where Syracuse is... The only people I've met familiar with the other St John's are academics that have heard of their Great Books program. And then some people from MN that know the other, other St Johns.

St Joes may be old and a fine school, but same applies. Doesn't have a well known brand outside of the local market. Fordham, Hofstra...etc same. Nothing wrong with just not shocking that someone for someone outside of Philadelphia to not be familiar with St Joes.
 
The only reason I recognize St. Joe's is that they have the Hawk tradition where the kid is supposed to (I think) make like a flapping hawk the whole game. Otherwise, who cares. Tomato, Tomatoe.

St. John's (Queens) is known for three things, 1- Basketball/Big East, 2- School that bowed to phony political correctness and changed "Redmen" to ugh "Red Storm", and 3- Lou Carnesecca.. I can't tell you how many conversations I have around those topics while wearing a St John's hat or shirt in some far off place.
 
To the casual observer, college name recognition is connected to athletic programs. May be sad, but true...

So on the landscape of STJs and SJUs, we're still number one!
 
I can't believe you're being serious but if you are, St Joseph University of Philadelphia is a 160 year old school that plays in the Atlantic 10 conference and is ranked 189 on Forbes list.

St Johns of MN (#217) has been the primary other St Johns for a while but read something abut St Johns of MD (#215) recently too. Can't recall where.
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St Johns in MD is actually one of the older schools in the US. Most of these older schools originally had a religious affiliation for example Harvard was Baptist. I may be mistaken but I think SJ(MD) was originally run by the Anglican Church and called something like Kings College. Ironically it is now a secular school with no religious affiliation

Outside of the Northeast and Northeast South (Florida), people recognize St John's University in NY but largely don't know any other schools in the NY area other than Columbia, NYU and Syracuse. People have heard of Cornell but a lot of them couldn't tell you where it was located and a lot of people don't know exactly where Syracuse is... The only people I've met familiar with the other St John's are academics that have heard of their Great Books program. And then some people from MN that know the other, other St Johns.

St Joes may be old and a fine school, but same applies. Doesn't have a well known brand outside of the local market. Fordham, Hofstra...etc same. Nothing wrong with just not shocking that someone for someone outside of Philadelphia to not be familiar with St Joes.
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First, if you honestly believe that St Johns has a national profile close to Cornell or Syracuse I'll have some of what you're smoking, and pretty soon we may be able to buy it legally! ;)

Second, we're on a college basketball message board primarily focusing on the east. St Joesph's is a pretty well known basketball school and since we're supposedly fans of Northeast basketball, and talk about A10 basketball quite a bit, I find it funny that someone wouldn't know St Joes. They also of course are part of the Big 5 in Philadelphia which might have been discussed more than a few dozen times on the board, especially by some of our more Nova-Centric posters. I forget that there are some folks on the board who are young enough to not remember the team that finished the regular season undefeated and played in the elite 8 in 2004 (I assume the OP would have been about 13 back then). I also forget that there are some folks who are really just St Johns fans and not necessarily college hoops fans here as well. My apologies.
 
I can't believe you're being serious but if you are, St Joseph University of Philadelphia is a 160 year old school that plays in the Atlantic 10 conference and is ranked 189 on Forbes list.

St Johns of MN (#217) has been the primary other St Johns for a while but read something abut St Johns of MD (#215) recently too. Can't recall where.
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St Johns in MD is actually one of the older schools in the US. Most of these older schools originally had a religious affiliation for example Harvard was Baptist. I may be mistaken but I think SJ(MD) was originally run by the Anglican Church and called something like Kings College. Ironically it is now a secular school with no religious affiliation

Outside of the Northeast and Northeast South (Florida), people recognize St John's University in NY but largely don't know any other schools in the NY area other than Columbia, NYU and Syracuse. People have heard of Cornell but a lot of them couldn't tell you where it was located and a lot of people don't know exactly where Syracuse is... The only people I've met familiar with the other St John's are academics that have heard of their Great Books program. And then some people from MN that know the other, other St Johns.

St Joes may be old and a fine school, but same applies. Doesn't have a well known brand outside of the local market. Fordham, Hofstra...etc same. Nothing wrong with just not shocking that someone for someone outside of Philadelphia to not be familiar with St Joes.
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First, if you honestly believe that St Johns has a national profile close to Cornell or Syracuse I'll have some of what you're smoking, and pretty soon we may be able to buy it legally! ;)

Second, we're on a college basketball message board primarily focusing on the east. St Joesph's is a pretty well known basketball school and since we're supposedly fans of Northeast basketball, and talk about A10 basketball quite a bit, I find it funny that someone wouldn't know St Joes. They also of course are part of the Big 5 in Philadelphia which might have been discussed more than a few dozen times on the board, especially by some of our more Nova-Centric posters. I forget that there are some folks on the board who are young enough to not remember the team that finished the regular season undefeated and played in the elite 8 in 2004 (I assume the OP would have been about 13 back then). I also forget that there are some folks who are really just St Johns fans and not necessarily college hoops fans here as well. My apologies.
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Too bad I can't smoke but what I said (not what you said) about Syracuse and Cornell is 100% true. People know Syracuse from hoops and football on TV but a lot of people outside of northeast have only a vague idea of where it is. Cornell not even close.

Big 5 is even less relevant if you are under 40 and outside of Philadelphia. When was the last time you heard the term even?
 
I can't believe you're being serious but if you are, St Joseph University of Philadelphia is a 160 year old school that plays in the Atlantic 10 conference and is ranked 189 on Forbes list.

St Johns of MN (#217) has been the primary other St Johns for a while but read something abut St Johns of MD (#215) recently too. Can't recall where.
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St Johns in MD is actually one of the older schools in the US. Most of these older schools originally had a religious affiliation for example Harvard was Baptist. I may be mistaken but I think SJ(MD) was originally run by the Anglican Church and called something like Kings College. Ironically it is now a secular school with no religious affiliation

Outside of the Northeast and Northeast South (Florida), people recognize St John's University in NY but largely don't know any other schools in the NY area other than Columbia, NYU and Syracuse. People have heard of Cornell but a lot of them couldn't tell you where it was located and a lot of people don't know exactly where Syracuse is... The only people I've met familiar with the other St John's are academics that have heard of their Great Books program. And then some people from MN that know the other, other St Johns.

St Joes may be old and a fine school, but same applies. Doesn't have a well known brand outside of the local market. Fordham, Hofstra...etc same. Nothing wrong with just not shocking that someone for someone outside of Philadelphia to not be familiar with St Joes.
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First, if you honestly believe that St Johns has a national profile close to Cornell or Syracuse I'll have some of what you're smoking, and pretty soon we may be able to buy it legally! ;)

Second, we're on a college basketball message board primarily focusing on the east. St Joesph's is a pretty well known basketball school and since we're supposedly fans of Northeast basketball, and talk about A10 basketball quite a bit, I find it funny that someone wouldn't know St Joes. They also of course are part of the Big 5 in Philadelphia which might have been discussed more than a few dozen times on the board, especially by some of our more Nova-Centric posters. I forget that there are some folks on the board who are young enough to not remember the team that finished the regular season undefeated and played in the elite 8 in 2004 (I assume the OP would have been about 13 back then). I also forget that there are some folks who are really just St Johns fans and not necessarily college hoops fans here as well. My apologies.
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Too bad I can't smoke but what I said (not what you said) about Syracuse and Cornell is 100% true. People know Syracuse from hoops and football on TV but a lot of people outside of northeast have only a vague idea of where it is. Cornell not even close.

Big 5 is even less relevant if you are under 40 and outside of Philadelphia. When was the last time you heard the term even?
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I am out in San Jose and came down with a cold and needed to get some antibiotics before getting on another hell ride back to JFK. The girl takes my ID and says oh wow Staten Island. You are very close to my parents. Here I am thinking Long Island maybe Westchester in response. What do I get? Buffalo. I said that's prob a 7 hour drive. She says no its NY, can't be that far. Ugh.
 
I can't believe you're being serious but if you are, St Joseph University of Philadelphia is a 160 year old school that plays in the Atlantic 10 conference and is ranked 189 on Forbes list.

St Johns of MN (#217) has been the primary other St Johns for a while but read something abut St Johns of MD (#215) recently too. Can't recall where.
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St Johns in MD is actually one of the older schools in the US. Most of these older schools originally had a religious affiliation for example Harvard was Baptist. I may be mistaken but I think SJ(MD) was originally run by the Anglican Church and called something like Kings College. Ironically it is now a secular school with no religious affiliation

Outside of the Northeast and Northeast South (Florida), people recognize St John's University in NY but largely don't know any other schools in the NY area other than Columbia, NYU and Syracuse. People have heard of Cornell but a lot of them couldn't tell you where it was located and a lot of people don't know exactly where Syracuse is... The only people I've met familiar with the other St John's are academics that have heard of their Great Books program. And then some people from MN that know the other, other St Johns.

St Joes may be old and a fine school, but same applies. Doesn't have a well known brand outside of the local market. Fordham, Hofstra...etc same. Nothing wrong with just not shocking that someone for someone outside of Philadelphia to not be familiar with St Joes.
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First, if you honestly believe that St Johns has a national profile close to Cornell or Syracuse I'll have some of what you're smoking, and pretty soon we may be able to buy it legally! ;)

Second, we're on a college basketball message board primarily focusing on the east. St Joesph's is a pretty well known basketball school and since we're supposedly fans of Northeast basketball, and talk about A10 basketball quite a bit, I find it funny that someone wouldn't know St Joes. They also of course are part of the Big 5 in Philadelphia which might have been discussed more than a few dozen times on the board, especially by some of our more Nova-Centric posters. I forget that there are some folks on the board who are young enough to not remember the team that finished the regular season undefeated and played in the elite 8 in 2004 (I assume the OP would have been about 13 back then). I also forget that there are some folks who are really just St Johns fans and not necessarily college hoops fans here as well. My apologies.
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Too bad I can't smoke but what I said (not what you said) about Syracuse and Cornell is 100% true. People know Syracuse from hoops and football on TV but a lot of people outside of northeast have only a vague idea of where it is. Cornell not even close.

Big 5 is even less relevant if you are under 40 and outside of Philadelphia. When was the last time you heard the term even?
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True, Ithaca ain't NYC but at least most people have heard of the school. No one out here has even heard of St Johns unless they remember the sweater game against John Thompson. More than 30 years ago so for most that's not even a distant memory, especially if they're not hoops fans. And with regards to Syracuse, yes they do play hoops and football (poorly) but what most folks know them for nationally is that they produce lots of sportscasters.

But the point is WE are hoops fans. If you don't know what the Big 5 is you're not a hoops fan.
 
I can't believe you're being serious but if you are, St Joseph University of Philadelphia is a 160 year old school that plays in the Atlantic 10 conference and is ranked 189 on Forbes list.

St Johns of MN (#217) has been the primary other St Johns for a while but read something abut St Johns of MD (#215) recently too. Can't recall where.
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St Johns in MD is actually one of the older schools in the US. Most of these older schools originally had a religious affiliation for example Harvard was Baptist. I may be mistaken but I think SJ(MD) was originally run by the Anglican Church and called something like Kings College. Ironically it is now a secular school with no religious affiliation

Outside of the Northeast and Northeast South (Florida), people recognize St John's University in NY but largely don't know any other schools in the NY area other than Columbia, NYU and Syracuse. People have heard of Cornell but a lot of them couldn't tell you where it was located and a lot of people don't know exactly where Syracuse is... The only people I've met familiar with the other St John's are academics that have heard of their Great Books program. And then some people from MN that know the other, other St Johns.

St Joes may be old and a fine school, but same applies. Doesn't have a well known brand outside of the local market. Fordham, Hofstra...etc same. Nothing wrong with just not shocking that someone for someone outside of Philadelphia to not be familiar with St Joes.
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First, if you honestly believe that St Johns has a national profile close to Cornell or Syracuse I'll have some of what you're smoking, and pretty soon we may be able to buy it legally! ;)

Second, we're on a college basketball message board primarily focusing on the east. St Joesph's is a pretty well known basketball school and since we're supposedly fans of Northeast basketball, and talk about A10 basketball quite a bit, I find it funny that someone wouldn't know St Joes. They also of course are part of the Big 5 in Philadelphia which might have been discussed more than a few dozen times on the board, especially by some of our more Nova-Centric posters. I forget that there are some folks on the board who are young enough to not remember the team that finished the regular season undefeated and played in the elite 8 in 2004 (I assume the OP would have been about 13 back then). I also forget that there are some folks who are really just St Johns fans and not necessarily college hoops fans here as well. My apologies.
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Too bad I can't smoke but what I said (not what you said) about Syracuse and Cornell is 100% true. People know Syracuse from hoops and football on TV but a lot of people outside of northeast have only a vague idea of where it is. Cornell not even close.

Big 5 is even less relevant if you are under 40 and outside of Philadelphia. When was the last time you heard the term even?
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True, Ithaca ain't NYC but at least most people have heard of the school. No one out here has even heard of St Johns unless they remember the sweater game against John Thompson. More than 30 years ago so for most that's not even a distant memory, especially if they're not hoops fans. And with regards to Syracuse, yes they do play hoops and football (poorly) but what most folks know them for nationally is that they produce lots of sportscasters.

But the point is WE are hoops fans. If you don't know what the Big 5 is you're not a hoops fan.
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Not my experience at all having traveled the US extensively and lived in the east, midwest, southwest, west. Maybe as a non-alum you don't talk St Johns much but it comes up regularly for me. And I bet if you asked all of our recruits over the past 10 years if they knew what the Big 5 was, a significant percentage of them wouldn't. I would wager that less than 20% of people that consider themselves hoops fans today know what it refers to.
 
I am out in San Jose and came down with a cold and needed to get some antibiotics before getting on another hell ride back to JFK. The girl takes my ID and says oh wow Staten Island. You are very close to my parents. Here I am thinking Long Island maybe Westchester in response. What do I get? Buffalo. I said that's prob a 7 hour drive. She says no its NY, can't be that far. Ugh.
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you could get to Kittery Maine for lobster in about half that time!
 
It's a shame "Red Storm" wasn't already taken when we were looking for a new name. But then again, who the hell would want it?
 
St. John's College (Maryland) was founded in the late 17th Century

Average SAT score under "old" format is a bit over 1300/1800 (Reading and Math)

Very well thought of Liberal Arts College
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They also have a campus in Santa Fe, and they are absolutely a phenomenal under the radar liberal arts school with an Ivy like student population studying things like the classics, etc.
 
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