Starting lineup change has to happen

I have limited BB IQ but from what I am seeing LJ and Heron mess up the chemistry of the other players. I wouldn’t mind seeing these guys not start to send a message. Also our shooting is horrendous, it’s beyond me how bad we shoot and miss close jump shots. For my generation aside from the Artest team we always lack real shooters.
 
[quote="Roamer" post=371496]I have limited BB IQ but from what I am seeing LJ and Heron mess up the chemistry of the other players. I wouldn’t mind seeing these guys not start to send a message. Also our shooting is horrendous, it’s beyond me how bad we shoot and miss close jump shots. For my generation aside from the Artest team we always lack real shooters.[/quote]

Every other team seems to have tons of Mussini's...so many that they even have a few on the bench. We need several who can create their own shot though too. I just want a few guys who can make them with regularity and make most of the wide open ones other teams do. Every opponent that chucks them up gives me the feeling they will make it half the time and like 80% of the time if they're open. And they often do.
 
[quote="Mean Gene" post=371491]I would start, Dunn, Williams, LJ, Earlington and Steere. Steere because we need a big body in there and let's just see if he has any offensive ability. The few times I saw him shoot foul shots he looked like he could do that so even that would an improvement.[/quote]

Lol @ starting Steere. That hook shot he shot from the free throw line was very inspiring.

Seriously, give me the team we had before Heron came back and I’m good. Those guys had a good rhythm. Champagnie is up and down as most freshmen are. Gotta get the soldiers back into rhythm. The scrap we had is gone right now. Roberts isn’t doing the things that got him the job, so he needs to sit to figure it out. I think it’s time to start Dunn. Him and Rutherford are like pit bulls together. Even LJ played better before Heron got back. We beat 2 top 25 teams by scrapping, winning the 50/50 ball battle, and getting to the line. Time to get back to that team. If we do that, we’ll climb out of the hole. If we don’t... well..
 
Bet cha Heron will bust out of his 4 - 5 game slump just as Coach decides to make him ride the pines. Also is it possible to trade Champaigny brothers and throw in player to be named later.
 
I'm all in on Coach Anderson. I trust his talent evaluation skills. I just hope he spends more practice time on shooting and offensive drills.
Go Johnnies!
 
[quote="Mean Gene" post=371491]I would start, Dunn, Williams, LJ, Earlington and Steere. Steere because we need a big body in there and let's just see if he has any offensive ability. The few times I saw him shoot foul shots he looked like he could do that so even that would an improvement.[/quote]


What is up with the Steere lovefest? Did you see the shot he took last night?
 
If Coach wants to shake things up a bit, I'd start LJ, Earlington, Roberts, Dunn & either Rutherford or Williams Saturday. Bring Mustapha in at 15 minute mark. As Coach said he's pressing but is still a key part of our team; maybe sitting and watching the first few minutes will help him relax.
 
Can make all the changes you want not going to change the outcome. We need guys that can put the ball in the basket. Especially from the 3 point line. As of today we do not have that and will continue to struggle offensively against BE competition.
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=371516]If Coach wants to shake things up a bit, I'd start LJ, Earlington, Roberts, Dunn & either Rutherford or Williams Saturday. Bring Mustapha in at 15 minute mark. As Coach said he's pressing but is still a key part of our team; maybe sitting and watching the first few minutes will help him relax.[/quote]

Mustapha doesn’t have guard skills. I would bring him off the bench and play him as a small 4 like he’s been his entire collegiate career.
 
[quote="Boo Harvey" post=371439][quote="Monte" post=371437]IMO a change is needed. We cannot afford to go down big again right out of the gate. LJ, Sears, Dunn, Earl and probably Rutherford should start. I like Williams as 6th man. LJ, Dunn, Earl and Williams are all strong defenders who can score. Sears seems to have become our most stable big man. Everyone else should be used as needed, including Heron.[/quote]

As big a fan as I am, I sometimes fail to grasp the little things -- perhaps bc I never really played competitively. Why is Sears suddenly getting more playing time that Roberts? I recognize that Roberts hasn't done much the last few games, but what has Sears done? Roberts sat the whole second half. Was he that bad?

As for Heron, he is clearly a much better player than what we've seen recently. He's obviously limited, but some of this is clearly in his head. I think he needs to do something to get his confidence back. He's not this bad. That said, wasn't he like 0-12 in the NCAA game last year?[/quote]

I don’t think CMA can give Heron big minutes moving forward unless he breaks out of his funk. He’s not really contributing much of anything when he’s not scoring. And for a team that depends so heavily on D to keep us in games, we cannot afford to have a guy on the court who is giving us no offense and is also not one of our top pressing defenders. As for Roberts last game, I think we had our best runs when Sears was on the court. He seems to stand his ground better on defense and on the boards. He’s also a lot more mobile than I realized, often switching to help on D and still being able to get back to his position. In a perfect world, Sears would be a solid big body off the bench, giving us 10-15 MPG. Neither will score much in league play, so I think you’ve got to go with the guy who brings other qualities. IMO that is Sears at this point.
 
[quote="Big Red" post=371526][quote="NCJohnnie" post=371516]If Coach wants to shake things up a bit, I'd start LJ, Earlington, Roberts, Dunn & either Rutherford or Williams Saturday. Bring Mustapha in at 15 minute mark. As Coach said he's pressing but is still a key part of our team; maybe sitting and watching the first few minutes will help him relax.[/quote]

Mustapha doesn’t have guard skills. I would bring him off the bench and play him as a small 4 like he’s been his entire collegiate career.[/quote]

Agree, I said a while ago he’s essentially a stretch 4. Regardless of anyone’s thoughts on how good he is, he’s absolutely better than he has been the last 10 games. That’s reason for optimism.
 
[quote="Amaseinyourface" post=371533][quote="Big Red" post=371526][quote="NCJohnnie" post=371516]If Coach wants to shake things up a bit, I'd start LJ, Earlington, Roberts, Dunn & either Rutherford or Williams Saturday. Bring Mustapha in at 15 minute mark. As Coach said he's pressing but is still a key part of our team; maybe sitting and watching the first few minutes will help him relax.[/quote]

Mustapha doesn’t have guard skills. I would bring him off the bench and play him as a small 4 like he’s been his entire collegiate career.[/quote]

Agree, I said a while ago he’s essentially a stretch 4. Regardless of anyone’s thoughts on how good he is, he’s absolutely better than he has been the last 10 games. That’s reason for optimism.[/quote]

I told someone last night after the game that I would use Heron in the same manner (ie, back to the basket and face up 4).
 
[quote="Amaseinyourface" post=371533][quote="Big Red" post=371526][quote="NCJohnnie" post=371516]If Coach wants to shake things up a bit, I'd start LJ, Earlington, Roberts, Dunn & either Rutherford or Williams Saturday. Bring Mustapha in at 15 minute mark. As Coach said he's pressing but is still a key part of our team; maybe sitting and watching the first few minutes will help him relax.[/quote]

Mustapha doesn’t have guard skills. I would bring him off the bench and play him as a small 4 like he’s been his entire collegiate career.[/quote]

Agree, I said a while ago he’s essentially a stretch 4. Regardless of anyone’s thoughts on how good he is, he’s absolutely better than he has been the last 10 games. That’s reason for optimism.[/quote]

Agree he is better than we’re seeing. I wish I felt more optimistic that he’s going to turn this around. Think we’ll see a couple of flashes of the old Heron here and there, but not expecting any drastic turn around over the remainder of the season. Of course, hope to hell I’m wrong.
 
[quote="MJDinkins" post=371534][quote="Amaseinyourface" post=371533][quote="Big Red" post=371526][quote="NCJohnnie" post=371516]If Coach wants to shake things up a bit, I'd start LJ, Earlington, Roberts, Dunn & either Rutherford or Williams Saturday. Bring Mustapha in at 15 minute mark. As Coach said he's pressing but is still a key part of our team; maybe sitting and watching the first few minutes will help him relax.[/quote]

Mustapha doesn’t have guard skills. I would bring him off the bench and play him as a small 4 like he’s been his entire collegiate career.[/quote]

Agree, I said a while ago he’s essentially a stretch 4. Regardless of anyone’s thoughts on how good he is, he’s absolutely better than he has been the last 10 games. That’s reason for optimism.[/quote]

I told someone last night after the game that I would use Heron in the same manner (ie, back to the basket and face up 4).[/quote


That’s definitely his strength, but it’s going to be tough for him to get that shot off against the bigger Big East PFs and backside help. He telegraphs that shot to the defense. But it’s worth a shot. I mean, whatever he’s doing now ain’t working.
 
[quote="Monte" post=371539][quote="MJDinkins" post=371534][quote="Amaseinyourface" post=371533][quote="Big Red" post=371526][quote="NCJohnnie" post=371516]If Coach wants to shake things up a bit, I'd start LJ, Earlington, Roberts, Dunn & either Rutherford or Williams Saturday. Bring Mustapha in at 15 minute mark. As Coach said he's pressing but is still a key part of our team; maybe sitting and watching the first few minutes will help him relax.[/quote]

Mustapha doesn’t have guard skills. I would bring him off the bench and play him as a small 4 like he’s been his entire collegiate career.[/quote]

Agree, I said a while ago he’s essentially a stretch 4. Regardless of anyone’s thoughts on how good he is, he’s absolutely better than he has been the last 10 games. That’s reason for optimism.[/quote]

I told someone last night after the game that I would use Heron in the same manner (ie, back to the basket and face up 4).[/quote]


That’s definitely his strength, but it’s going to be tough for him to get that shot off against the bigger Big East PFs and backside help. He telegraphs that shot to the defense. But it’s worth a shot. I mean, whatever he’s doing now ain’t working.[/quote]

Heron could use his quickness on bigger PFs. Even more so once he gets 'em facing up inside in the paint. It may help draw a double, and if he's not fumbling around with the ball then pass out of it to a cutter or someone wide open (gulp) on the perimeter.

We've gotta try to do something different or send him and a few others to a hypnotist.
 
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[quote="MJDinkins" post=371543][quote="Monte" post=371539][quote="MJDinkins" post=371534][quote="Amaseinyourface" post=371533][quote="Big Red" post=371526][quote="NCJohnnie" post=371516]If Coach wants to shake things up a bit, I'd start LJ, Earlington, Roberts, Dunn & either Rutherford or Williams Saturday. Bring Mustapha in at 15 minute mark. As Coach said he's pressing but is still a key part of our team; maybe sitting and watching the first few minutes will help him relax.[/quote]

Mustapha doesn’t have guard skills. I would bring him off the bench and play him as a small 4 like he’s been his entire collegiate career.[/quote]

Agree, I said a while ago he’s essentially a stretch 4. Regardless of anyone’s thoughts on how good he is, he’s absolutely better than he has been the last 10 games. That’s reason for optimism.[/quote]

I told someone last night after the game that I would use Heron in the same manner (ie, back to the basket and face up 4).[/quote]


That’s definitely his strength, but it’s going to be tough for him to get that shot off against the bigger Big East PFs and backside help. He telegraphs that shot to the defense. But it’s worth a shot. I mean, whatever he’s doing now ain’t working.[/quote]

Heron could use his quickness on bigger PFs. Even more so once he gets 'em facing up inside in the paint. It may help draw a double, and if he's not fumbling around with the ball then pass out of it to a cutter or someone wide open (gulp) on the perimeter.

We've gotta try to do something different or send him and a few others to a hypnotist.[/quote]

Elmore, who I respect immensely, mentioned a number of times last night that we need to develop an inside out game on offense. I agree that could work with Heron, and is at least worth a shot. I like the hypnotist idea also lol
 
Totally agree Monte. The number of possessions where the ball never breaches the 3 point line is maddening. If we do happen to get inside, it rarely results in a pass back out (the inside out Elmore mentioned) but generally just results in a difficult shot. The weave or just passing around the perimeter hasn't lead to open shots. Obviously, we're not a good shooting team, but a few more open shots might help.

Probably most of this is talent related as we don't have any post up player to throw inside to that could result in inside out play and our slashers aren't adept at getting into the paint and kicking. At the end of the day I think they're doing all they can with what they have. I definitely trust the coaching staff. We probably got our collective hopes too high with games like Arizona and WVU.
 
[quote="Duke of Earlington" post=371424]We cant keep starting every game going down 10 or 15 points right away. We need to put our best offensive lineup out there to start the game.

The 3 guys who must start:
Lj, dunn, the duke

The “lets see what he has” start ill give to steere.

And then i guess i like rutherford too.

Starting lineup for depaul should be:
Rutherford, dunn, lj, duke, steere.

Discuss.[/quote]

What is amazing is that this poster is clueless as to how offensive is his avatar cartoon. SMH
 
[quote="Proud Alumn" post=371561][quote="Duke of Earlington" post=371424]We cant keep starting every game going down 10 or 15 points right away. We need to put our best offensive lineup out there to start the game.

The 3 guys who must start:
Lj, dunn, the duke

The “lets see what he has” start ill give to steere.

And then i guess i like rutherford too.

Starting lineup for depaul should be:
Rutherford, dunn, lj, duke, steere.

Discuss.[/quote]

What is amazing is that this poster is clueless as to how offensive is his avatar cartoon. SMH[/quote]

Way to name call and then back it up with absolutely nothing of substance. I look forward to reading more from you.
 
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