Starting lineup change has to happen

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Mullins Revenge

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We cant keep starting every game going down 10 or 15 points right away. We need to put our best offensive lineup out there to start the game.

The 3 guys who must start:
Lj, dunn, the duke

The “lets see what he has” start ill give to steere.

And then i guess i like rutherford too.

Starting lineup for depaul should be:
Rutherford, dunn, lj, duke, steere.

Discuss.
 
Right now, the starting line-up doesn't make my top ten list of things getting in the way of winning.
 
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[quote="Duke of Earlington" post=371424]We cant keep starting every game going down 10 or 15 points right away. We need to put our best offensive lineup out there to start the game.

The 3 guys who must start:
Lj, dunn, the duke

The “lets see what he has” start ill give to steere.

And then i guess i like rutherford too.

Starting lineup for depaul should be:
Rutherford, dunn, lj, duke, steere.

Discuss.[/quote] As long as Earlington starts anywhere between the 1-5 I'll be fine :)
 
[quote="JohnnyFan" post=371426]Right now, the starting line-up doesn't make my top ten list of things getting in the way of winning.[/quote]

Agree. But I would still make lineup changes, as we've immediately gotten down big in 2 out of our first 3 conference games.
 
Since this season doesn't seem to be going anywhere let's just make it all about the Duke.
 
IMO a change is needed. We cannot afford to go down big again right out of the gate. LJ, Sears, Dunn, Earl and probably Rutherford should start. I like Williams as 6th man. LJ, Dunn, Earl and Williams are all strong defenders who can score. Sears seems to have become our most stable big man. Everyone else should be used as needed, including Heron.
 
[quote="Monte" post=371437]IMO a change is needed. We cannot afford to go down big again right out of the gate. LJ, Sears, Dunn, Earl and probably Rutherford should start. I like Williams as 6th man. LJ, Dunn, Earl and Williams are all strong defenders who can score. Sears seems to have become our most stable big man. Everyone else should be used as needed, including Heron.[/quote]

As big a fan as I am, I sometimes fail to grasp the little things -- perhaps bc I never really played competitively. Why is Sears suddenly getting more playing time that Roberts? I recognize that Roberts hasn't done much the last few games, but what has Sears done? Roberts sat the whole second half. Was he that bad?

As for Heron, he is clearly a much better player than what we've seen recently. He's obviously limited, but some of this is clearly in his head. I think he needs to do something to get his confidence back. He's not this bad. That said, wasn't he like 0-12 in the NCAA game last year?
 
[quote="Boo Harvey" post=371439][quote="Monte" post=371437]IMO a change is needed. We cannot afford to go down big again right out of the gate. LJ, Sears, Dunn, Earl and probably Rutherford should start. I like Williams as 6th man. LJ, Dunn, Earl and Williams are all strong defenders who can score. Sears seems to have become our most stable big man. Everyone else should be used as needed, including Heron.[/quote]

As big a fan as I am, I sometimes fail to grasp the little things -- perhaps bc I never really played competitively. Why is Sears suddenly getting more playing time that Roberts? I recognize that Roberts hasn't done much the last few games, but what has Sears done? Roberts sat the whole second half. Was he that bad?

As for Heron, he is clearly a much better player than what we've seen recently. He's obviously limited, but some of this is clearly in his head. I think he needs to do something to get his confidence back. He's not this bad. That said, wasn't he like 0-12 in the NCAA game last year?[/quote]

Apparently, Anderson took Roberts and Champagnie to task in the post game press conference, for not playing hard.

Sears does seem to hold his own against the physical Big East front lines better then Roberts does, but like everyone else on this team, he can't put the ball in the hoop.
 
[quote="Boo Harvey" post=371439][quote="Monte" post=371437]IMO a change is needed. We cannot afford to go down big again right out of the gate. LJ, Sears, Dunn, Earl and probably Rutherford should start. I like Williams as 6th man. LJ, Dunn, Earl and Williams are all strong defenders who can score. Sears seems to have become our most stable big man. Everyone else should be used as needed, including Heron.[/quote]

As big a fan as I am, I sometimes fail to grasp the little things -- perhaps bc I never really played competitively. Why is Sears suddenly getting more playing time that Roberts? I recognize that Roberts hasn't done much the last few games, but what has Sears done? Roberts sat the whole second half. Was he that bad?[/quote]

I barely watched any of the second half, so I'm not sure what took place. But I've noticed Roberts being pushed around during our past few games. I love his energy and what he has brought to us, so far, this season. But Roberts has been a mess since the start of conference play. To be honest, if he's not generally catching the ball near the basket for a layup or dunk, then he's basically ineffective (although, I've seen him hit the 3" or 5" shot a handful of times). He hasn't been effective for us defensively and a mess on the offensive end.

You add those things together and you get a player who hasn't helped us lately. There will be more games where he'll be able to help us, so I won't discount him the rest of the way.
 
I'm all for shaking up the lineup. I agree that it may not end up having a huge impact in the short term but I think it communicates to the young guys that there is a standard this program now has and you don't start today because you played well 2 weeks ago. I'm still optimistic about the future for Roberts and Champagnie but I'd start Earlington, Sears and Dunn (or Williams if available) Bring Heron in at the Under 16 and see how Sears and Earlington look before bringing back Champagnie and Roberts. Why not? We're 0-3 and if this team doesn't turn it around in the next couple of games then the thing ain't turning.
 
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One thing i am most comfortable with is CMA's ability to assess his team and put the 5 guys on the floor that gives us the best opportunity to win.

Heron may be in an extended horrible funk, but so was Jakarr Sampson for most of his final season with us, and he made it to the NBA.

the harsh reality is that after Heron and LJ, there isn't a lot of consistent firepower. If, no, when Heron breaks out there can be nights where we beat the best teams in our league. It's encouraging that we've won without him, but we definitely need him.

People here harshly criticized why Roberts didn't play more last season. I seemed to recall that the more minutes he got last year, the more he was exposed as not ready. I do believe he has a good upside, so i wouldn't give up on him at all. It's just that he has to step it up to play with the big boys.

CMA will put the team on notice that if you want to play for him, you must bust it at all times. One of his mantras is you can't always be great on offense but you can ALWAYS play great defense.

CMA will NOT fold this tent and give up on the season. I spoke to him a few weeks ago and repeated what I've said all along, that i expected 5 to 7 wins at most in conference from these guys. He got very quiet and i knew he wasn't hapoy with what I said. It's because even right n okk w he wouldn't accept that as a goal. He will win as many as we can and demand that whomever plays, does it his way. I'm goid with that, totally
 
What we really need is a change of roster talent. Literally almost nobody to score except Dunn and LJ, and Id consider neither pure scorers nor are they particularly adept shooters. It will be a tough season and certainly a rebuilding year. Will take a few to turn the roster over with better talent that is more capable of doing damage at this level. That said, last game we didn’t play defense nor rebound like we have been doing and that was our undoing. No roster changes are gonna help our global lack of offensive ability.
 
[quote="MCNPA" post=371470]What we really need is a change of roster talent. Literally almost nobody to score except Dunn and LJ, and Id consider neither pure scorers nor are they particularly adept shooters. It will be a tough season and certainly a rebuilding year. Will take a few to turn the roster over with better talent that is more capable of doing damage at this level. That said, last game we didn’t play defense nor rebound like we have been doing and that was our undoing. No roster changes are gonna help our global lack of offensive ability.[/quote]

Sensible, good post. We need more BE level players. CMA, like any coach in year one, needs a few years to accomplish that. In some ways, WV and Zona wins were nice, but maybe “fools gold”. I still like the staff, style of play, player conditioning, but at end of day it is all about getting good players. (especially a PG to lead & orchestrate as 72 noted) We should be in good shape with McGriff & Posh in that regard.
 
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[quote="Boo Harvey" post=371439][quote="Monte" post=371437]IMO a change is needed. We cannot afford to go down big again right out of the gate. LJ, Sears, Dunn, Earl and probably Rutherford should start. I like Williams as 6th man. LJ, Dunn, Earl and Williams are all strong defenders who can score. Sears seems to have become our most stable big man. Everyone else should be used as needed, including Heron.[/quote]

As big a fan as I am, I sometimes fail to grasp the little things -- perhaps bc I never really played competitively. Why is Sears suddenly getting more playing time that Roberts? I recognize that Roberts hasn't done much the last few games, but what has Sears done? Roberts sat the whole second half. Was he that bad?

As for Heron, he is clearly a much better player than what we've seen recently. He's obviously limited, but some of this is clearly in his head. I think he needs to do something to get his confidence back. He's not this bad. That said, wasn't he like 0-12 in the NCAA game last year?[/quote]


He's not that good, probably going to have a hard time even getting to play in Europe. For two years I have watched him losing the ball or getting stuffed on his penetration to the basket. Unless he starts hitting his jumpers he will find himself on the bench like last night.
 
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I would start, Dunn, Williams, LJ, Earlington and Steere. Steere because we need a big body in there and let's just see if he has any offensive ability. The few times I saw him shoot foul shots he looked like he could do that so even that would an improvement.
 
[quote="Mean Gene" post=371491]I would start, Dunn, Williams, LJ, Earlington and Steere. Steere because we need a big body in there and let's just see if he has any offensive ability. The few times I saw him shoot foul shots he looked like he could do that so even that would an improvement.[/quote] Did Steere do anything in his 5 minutes of playing time to make you think he should be a starter? I and other posters thought once Steere became eligible Seers would ride the pine. Ironically Seers has been looking better then Steere. The fact that CMA glues Steere to the bench makes me think we may have overestimated him.
 
[quote="Duke of Earlington" post=371468]Roberts isnt playing because he brings nothing offensively and we keep falling behind in all of these games.[/quote]

If Roberts hustles and puts forth the effort that meets Coach's standards, I still play Roberts over Earlington any day of the week. He offers more height and athleticism than the Duke does.

And you can at least trust that Roberts will not try to pretend that he is a guard and try to dribble and attack from the perimeter like Earlington does. It seems that that results in a turnover or a terrible shot more often than it does a basket.
 
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