St. John's Nearing Powerhouse Recruiting Class

Sounds promising on LoVett. If he is at the DePaul game like the article says, I hope we put on a show and kick some butt.

Next few months will be very interesting on and off the court...
 
I have a hard time understanding the disparity between this article and what some posters have claimed now for more than a year and most recently.

How do you guys explain the complaints that Lavin and co. isn't working hard at recruiting? One respected poster PM'd me a few months back and said that he knew that Lavin had stopped recruiting altogether. This article indicates that this could be a banner year for St. John's recruiting.

Paultz, Monte, Avon, someone, anyone. Is our staff recruiting hard or not?
 
I have a hard time understanding the disparity between this article and what some posters have claimed now for more than a year and most recently.

How do you guys explain the complaints that Lavin and co. isn't working hard at recruiting? One respected poster PM'd me a few months back and said that he knew that Lavin had stopped recruiting altogether. This article indicates that this could be a banner year for St. John's recruiting.

Paultz, Monte, Avon, someone, anyone. Is our staff recruiting hard or not?
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Well, the complaint was that he didn't try for the 2014 class. And then for awhile it seemed like he was only going after Sampson. Briscoe, and Diallo. And Braziller said after the Briscoe commit that Sampson and Diallo won't come to SJU.

My biggest complaint was first the 2014 class, and then the fact that he was going after the big boys in the 2015 class but didn't seem to have a back up plan if he struck out. But the back up plan is starting to reveal itself with Freeman, Lovett, akele, etc. I'm just glad some good things seem to be shaping up, our roster for next year was hard to look at (still kinda is, but Sampson is great get and we are in on more great players)
 
I have a hard time understanding the disparity between this article and what some posters have claimed now for more than a year and most recently.

How do you guys explain the complaints that Lavin and co. isn't working hard at recruiting? One respected poster PM'd me a few months back and said that he knew that Lavin had stopped recruiting altogether. This article indicates that this could be a banner year for St. John's recruiting.

Paultz, Monte, Avon, someone, anyone. Is our staff recruiting hard or not?
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From everything I have heard the staff is busting their asses recruiting recently but the pm you received from that respected poster was on the money-SL completely mailed it in for a while.

Just to clarify I am extremely critical because we really have one core player in the last two recruiting classes and he is a ticking time bomb.

So let's say this plays out like Zach b alludes to and our six best players leave-does that mean we sit through a 2011–12 season again where we were 13-19 because we are experiencing "growing pains"? Wait until 2018 for a chance to be back in the NCAAs? So to me the bad classes in 13 and 14 will still be debilitating to this team the next few years even if we have a banner recruiting class this year ( and let's not count our chickens before the eggs hatch....we have to beat out a lot of good schools for these kids still and we don't know if the Italian is going pro...everyone thought we were getting Briscoe too so let's see how this plays out first).
 
I have a hard time understanding the disparity between this article and what some posters have claimed now for more than a year and most recently.

How do you guys explain the complaints that Lavin and co. isn't working hard at recruiting? One respected poster PM'd me a few months back and said that he knew that Lavin had stopped recruiting altogether. This article indicates that this could be a banner year for St. John's recruiting.

Paultz, Monte, Avon, someone, anyone. Is our staff recruiting hard or not?
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2014 class aside for a moment, you know full well that my main grip has been with the staff's lack of presence at the local games. And I stand by my assertion that we need to work harder to establish ties with local high school and AAU programs. Frankly I have no idea how hard(or not) Chiles and Hines have been hitting the recruiting trails. I know that they've been on LoVett for a while, and not to diminish their efforts but its certainly not a coincidence that they're both in Chicago to watch him this week. But I am glad to hear that they're working hard since we all know that success, and to some degree luck, are almost always the result of hard work.
 
One other observation. It seems like we're always on kids who are looking to use us as a stepping stone to the next level(NBA, Europe, D league). Moe, Jakarr, Sanchez, Jordan, etc. And now possibly Diallo and the Italian and Greek kids. Maybe even LoVett, And it seems as though our staff has been has been using "immediate and abundant PT" as its biggest selling tool. That's all good and well, and college teams often supplement their rosters with kids like that. But filling a roster with kids like that, while impressive on paper, is not going to provide continuity to the program nor result in sustained success on the court IMO. Which once again brings me back to the assertion by me and others that the way to build and sustain a program is not with these 1 and done or 2 and done kind of kids, although we'll certainly take them. Its with the solid 3 star kids, many of whom can be found right here in our backyard and elsewhere.

PS I would ask the usual suspects to please read my post all the way through before accusing me of not wanting us to recruit 5 star and European kids, because that's not at all what I'm saying.
 
I have a hard time understanding the disparity between this article and what some posters have claimed now for more than a year and most recently.

How do you guys explain the complaints that Lavin and co. isn't working hard at recruiting? One respected poster PM'd me a few months back and said that he knew that Lavin had stopped recruiting altogether. This article indicates that this could be a banner year for St. John's recruiting.

Paultz, Monte, Avon, someone, anyone. Is our staff recruiting hard or not?
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Our staff has been working and to say that Lavin mailed it in is wrong. Whitehead was going with Tiny and once Tiny got the job at Seton Hall, game over. Carrington didn't see himself getting many minutes at St Johns this year and since his mother wanted to see him play, Seton Hall. Some on this board were killing Lavin for getting Amar, who I think will be a good four year player for us. Amar still has a lot of work to do just like most freshmen. However, I can tell you this. After a game earlier in the season at Carnesecca, Amar and Stewart were right back in Taffner putting up shots.
Some are criticizing Lavin for going after Briscoe, then the same people say he does not recruit locally. We almost had Briscoe until Kentucky jumped in the picture. As the article stated, they have been recruiting LoVett for a while. Rico and Freeman's coach stay in contact. Doesn't it show people anything when Sampson commits, when most on this board thought it was a lost cause when Briscoe chose Kentucky. We never stopped recruiting Diallo, and on another thread a poster stated that Phil and Chris were at OSNA this week. I don't think that you all realize how much it means to a recruit when kids from a school that is recruiting him show up on his campus. With Mussina, it appears to be us against him deciding to play professionally.
As for the 2016 class, I state for a fact that Lavin has been in contact with Temple Gibbs and his family at least twice a week. Those of us who go to games have seen Salnave at Carnesecca.
All of the things that I have written above, I have either observed personally or have first hand knowledge about through speaking with the people involved.
What disturbs me about this board is when I read statements like Lavin is leaving to go back to ESPN, if Lavin did not tell you that, why repeat it. Or Lavin has stopped recruiting and has mailed it in. Have you personally spoken to Lavin about what he is doing and what recruits he is going after. I also hate when a reporter or anyone else says "I heard from a source", that is total BS. I remember someone once saying," If you can't tell me the name, I don't want to hear the story".
Our season still has promise and it looks like things are picking up on the recruiting trail. Let's continue to root for the REDMEN and hope for the best.
 
Every 5 and even 4 star players are using college as a stepping stone to the NBA. People would kill Coach Lavin if he only landed 3 Star players. That was our prior coaches plan and it did not sit well with people.

Can you name a high major program that has achieved sustained success with 3 star players?

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One other observation. It seems like we're always on kids who are looking to use us as a stepping stone to the next level(NBA, Europe, D league). Moe, Jakarr, Sanchez, Jordan, etc. And now possibly Diallo and the Italian and Greek kids. Maybe even LoVett, And it seems as though our staff has been has been using "immediate and abundant PT" as its biggest selling tool. That's all good and well, and college teams often supplement their rosters with kids like that. But filling a roster with kids like that, while impressive on paper, is not going to provide continuity to the program nor result in sustained success on the court IMO. Which once again brings me back to the assertion by me and others that the way to build and sustain a program is not with these 1 and done or 2 and done kind of kids, although we'll certainly take them. Its with the solid 3 star kids, many of whom can be found right here in our backyard and elsewhere.

PS I would ask the usual suspects to please read my post all the way through before accusing me of not wanting us to recruit 5 star and European kids, because that's not at all what I'm saying.
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One other observation. It seems like we're always on kids who are looking to use us as a stepping stone to the next level(NBA, Europe, D league). Moe, Jakarr, Sanchez, Jordan, etc. And now possibly Diallo and the Italian and Greek kids. Maybe even LoVett, And it seems as though our staff has been has been using "immediate and abundant PT" as its biggest selling tool. That's all good and well, and college teams often supplement their rosters with kids like that. But filling a roster with kids like that, while impressive on paper, is not going to provide continuity to the program nor result in sustained success on the court IMO. Which once again brings me back to the assertion by me and others that the way to build and sustain a program is not with these 1 and done or 2 and done kind of kids, although we'll certainly take them. Its with the solid 3 star kids, many of whom can be found right here in our backyard and elsewhere.

PS I would ask the usual suspects to please read my post all the way through before accusing me of not wanting us to recruit 5 star and European kids, because that's not at all what I'm saying.
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Terrific post Monte. I was ripped on Twitter for saying that SJU should recruit four year players who will contribute and bring stability to the program rather than the kids who are gonn come here for a year and go to the NBA. Lavin has recruited two NBA players so far who have left early and while they have enjoyed success as individual players the team has not reached the levels of success we have hoped for. I always say that we should try to mold ourselves after Villanova who always has a good core of players and while they do have kids who make the NBA for the most part they all stay four years which leads to long. Term stability and consistent winning. A big turnaround like we always seem to have, players who leave early, players who aren't academically eligible....these things all contribute to us being very up and down/ hot and cold. The five star players will be nice but only if they stay long enough for us to build around them and only if we can fill the rest of the squad with parts Targums them that will work. This isn't kentuckywe will never have 10 all Americans but the parts around the Stars have to work. And for us to be good the stars have to stay around long enough for us to develop a team.....the inconsistency recruiting has been Lavin's biggest problem and will ultimately be what leads to his downfall.
 
Every 5 and even 4 star players are using college as a stepping stone to the NBA. People would kill Coach Lavin if he only landed 3 Star players. That was our prior coaches plan and it did not sit well with people.

Can you name a high major program that has achieved sustained success with 3 star players?

.
One other observation. It seems like we're always on kids who are looking to use us as a stepping stone to the next level(NBA, Europe, D league). Moe, Jakarr, Sanchez, Jordan, etc. And now possibly Diallo and the Italian and Greek kids. Maybe even LoVett, And it seems as though our staff has been has been using "immediate and abundant PT" as its biggest selling tool. That's all good and well, and college teams often supplement their rosters with kids like that. But filling a roster with kids like that, while impressive on paper, is not going to provide continuity to the program nor result in sustained success on the court IMO. Which once again brings me back to the assertion by me and others that the way to build and sustain a program is not with these 1 and done or 2 and done kind of kids, although we'll certainly take them. Its with the solid 3 star kids, many of whom can be found right here in our backyard and elsewhere.

PS I would ask the usual suspects to please read my post all the way through before accusing me of not wanting us to recruit 5 star and European kids, because that's not at all what I'm saying.
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In spite of the fact that you either didn't read my post all the way through or didn't comprehend it, you get a pass because this is your first post. So here goes: Lavin's most successful team here to date has been with 3 star kids.He has had no success, using the NCAA tourny as the bar,. with 4/5 star kids and foreigners. How do you explain that away? We're not Kentucky and he's not Cal. That formula works for a few elite schools but not for the masses and,IMO, it won't work here. There are far far more 3 star kids floating around then 5 star kids. Sustained success will not come with the staff focusing on one and done and two and done kids.
 
One other observation. It seems like we're always on kids who are looking to use us as a stepping stone to the next level(NBA, Europe, D league). Moe, Jakarr, Sanchez, Jordan, etc. And now possibly Diallo and the Italian and Greek kids. Maybe even LoVett, And it seems as though our staff has been has been using "immediate and abundant PT" as its biggest selling tool. That's all good and well, and college teams often supplement their rosters with kids like that. But filling a roster with kids like that, while impressive on paper, is not going to provide continuity to the program nor result in sustained success on the court IMO. Which once again brings me back to the assertion by me and others that the way to build and sustain a program is not with these 1 and done or 2 and done kind of kids, although we'll certainly take them. Its with the solid 3 star kids, many of whom can be found right here in our backyard and elsewhere.

PS I would ask the usual suspects to please read my post all the way through before accusing me of not wanting us to recruit 5 star and European kids, because that's not at all what I'm saying.
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Terrific post Monte. I was ripped on Twitter for saying that SJU should recruit four year players who will contribute and bring stability to the program rather than the kids who are gonn come here for a year and go to the NBA. Lavin has recruited two NBA players so far who have left early and while ....the inconsistency recruiting has been Lavin's biggest problem and will ultimately be what leads to his downfall.
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In your wildest dreams.
 
One other observation. It seems like we're always on kids who are looking to use us as a stepping stone to the next level(NBA, Europe, D league). Moe, Jakarr, Sanchez, Jordan, etc. And now possibly Diallo and the Italian and Greek kids. Maybe even LoVett, And it seems as though our staff has been has been using "immediate and abundant PT" as its biggest selling tool. That's all good and well, and college teams often supplement their rosters with kids like that. But filling a roster with kids like that, while impressive on paper, is not going to provide continuity to the program nor result in sustained success on the court IMO. Which once again brings me back to the assertion by me and others that the way to build and sustain a program is not with these 1 and done or 2 and done kind of kids, although we'll certainly take them. Its with the solid 3 star kids, many of whom can be found right here in our backyard and elsewhere.

PS I would ask the usual suspects to please read my post all the way through before accusing me of not wanting us to recruit 5 star and European kids, because that's not at all what I'm saying.
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Terrific post Monte. I was ripped on Twitter for saying that SJU should recruit four year players who will contribute and bring stability to the program rather than the kids who are gonn come here for a year and go to the NBA. Lavin has recruited two NBA players so far who have left early and while ....the inconsistency recruiting has been Lavin's biggest problem and will ultimately be what leads to his downfall.
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In your wildest dreams.
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:kiss: :kiss: :kiss: have a nice day sweetheart
 
I have a hard time understanding the disparity between this article and what some posters have claimed now for more than a year and most recently.

How do you guys explain the complaints that Lavin and co. isn't working hard at recruiting? One respected poster PM'd me a few months back and said that he knew that Lavin had stopped recruiting altogether. This article indicates that this could be a banner year for St. John's recruiting.

Paultz, Monte, Avon, someone, anyone. Is our staff recruiting hard or not?
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Yes. Efforts in 14 could be criticized in my opinion. This year clearly staff has been out there and aggressive. I certainly hope if we can land a solid class & balance out our roster going forward. My heart can't take these last minute "saves".:)

In fairness, had SL landed Briscoe we would have also landed Diallo & Sampson then. To staff's credit, they got off the canvas & continued their quest to land Diallo & Samp. Hopefully we get to the point where we reload each year & don't face extreme roster turnover or rebuilds. For now kudos to staff. Btw, I am biased, but give Tony Chiles some credit for hard work over past year in particular.
Lastly, as Panther noted, we are very active with 16 kids & a few 17 class members, some of whom are local. Beat DePaul!
 
Can you name a high major program that has achieved sustained success with 3 star players?
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Butler- transitioned from Mid Major conference to the A 10 to the Big East they have 2 4 star recruits playing them.

Xavier had 2 4 star recruits last year.

Wichita State. Not in a high major conference

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Can you name a high major program that has achieved sustained success with 3 star players?
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Butler. Xavier. Wichita State.

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You're right about Wichita, but Butler's leading scorer is a 4* player, as are several on Xavier including 3 playing double digit minutes this year (as well as Christon who we all know went pro after last year).
 
One other observation. It seems like we're always on kids who are looking to use us as a stepping stone to the next level(NBA, Europe, D league). Moe, Jakarr, Sanchez, Jordan, etc. And now possibly Diallo and the Italian and Greek kids. Maybe even LoVett, And it seems as though our staff has been has been using "immediate and abundant PT" as its biggest selling tool. That's all good and well, and college teams often supplement their rosters with kids like that. But filling a roster with kids like that, while impressive on paper, is not going to provide continuity to the program nor result in sustained success on the court IMO. Which once again brings me back to the assertion by me and others that the way to build and sustain a program is not with these 1 and done or 2 and done kind of kids, although we'll certainly take them. Its with the solid 3 star kids, many of whom can be found right here in our backyard and elsewhere.

PS I would ask the usual suspects to please read my post all the way through before accusing me of not wanting us to recruit 5 star and European kids, because that's not at all what I'm saying.
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So what, you're saying you don't want us to after 5 stars?? Wtf? Lol just kidding monte, I know reading that first sentence probably got your blood flowing a little bit ;)
 
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